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Quoted: Pop Culture is the religion of the left Many such examples View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
He has done so several times at this point. It's virtue signalling that he is on 'the right side' of the this. Loads of morons on the left think they are somehow the Rebel Alliance fighting the good fight against the Evil Empire of the right. Somehow they fail to see the logical incongruity of claiming to be the plucky underdogs whilst they control almost every single governmental and societal institution, and the vast majority of the media in the country does nothing but parrot their warped worldview. Pop Culture is the religion of the left Many such examples Yup. It's just like when they complained about the Trump admin as being eerily similar to the bad guys in the Hunger Games....all while their democrat pols and blue check twitter leaders are garbed up like district 1 citizens. |
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Well, i spent all of my 3x kids naptime watching a blank screen in this recess. Guess i will be watching the live stream on delay till midnight again later.
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Why would the defense *not* object to any limits on their expert witness? I didn't know that was even a thing?
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Quoted: It's an intentional display of disrespect. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Why does the prosecutor address the judge while sitting? I've never seen that before. Around here when you speak to a judge you do so from your feet. It's an intentional display of disrespect. There ya go. |
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I'm just tuning in for today. What have I missed? How is it going today?
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Quoted: Quoted: So there is NO use of force expert for the defense. Huh, thought that was something they had. News to me. Dr. Black IS a use of force expert. Yeah, but all he's allowed to talk about, according to that court order, is the timeline of events, as determined in his analysis of the video. What a disappointment, unless I'm misunderstanding something. |
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Quoted: I violated this order which I drafted all week and the defense never objected, and now I'm objecting because the defense has to technically violate it to disprove the BS I put out when I was violating it and I want them to be unable to get the truth in front of the jury. View Quote That avatar. |
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Quoted: Look at some of the previous posts (one by @spoonrobot) on the type of surveillance technology that is being used…so was it a dry run by feds playing with newly purchased toys, or a sign of what what’s to come with us being surveilled View Quote They have been watching for a while. |
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Quoted: Yeah, but all he's allowed to talk about, according to that court order, is the timeline of events, as determined in his analysis of the video. What a disappointment, unless I'm misunderstanding something. View Quote That appears to be correct. How the defense capitulated on that one point is a big failure. Nothing better than a UOF expert in a SD trial. Should be numero uno on the expert witness list. |
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Patriot Act.
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Binger is doing all he can to poison the well of justice. It is obvious truth and justice are not part of his job description. Since he is representing the state one must assume the state has no interest in truth and justice either. Duh! Politics is what this prosecution is all about.
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Quoted: not sure if this has been covered before. Wtf is the people in the background wearing? Looks like enchanted hear protection View Quote They are called headphones. People like me who are hard of hearing need them when listening to amplified voices. It helps to understand when you can increase the volume. |
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Quoted: Quoted: So there is NO use of force expert for the defense. Huh, thought that was something they had. News to me. Dr. Black IS a use of force expert. The problem with "use of force experts" is that generally you're dealing with the ultimate issue for the jury to decide. Use of force is about the law. You can't have an expert witness on what the law is. The court is the only expert on the law allowed to instruct the jury. So a UOF expert would have to technically be an expert on something else. In police UOF cases, they generally are not used for this reason, but sometimes may be if an expert on police procedures is necessary, if that is relevant. So a UOF expert could testify on some aspect of the mechanics and logistics of it, but would have to be careful not to give legal opinions or testimony. |
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Quoted: That appears to be correct. How the defense capitulated on that one point is a big failure. Nothing better than a UOF expert in a SD trial. Should be numero uno on the expert witness list. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, but all he's allowed to talk about, according to that court order, is the timeline of events, as determined in his analysis of the video. What a disappointment, unless I'm misunderstanding something. That appears to be correct. How the defense capitulated on that one point is a big failure. Nothing better than a UOF expert in a SD trial. Should be numero uno on the expert witness list. Yeah. I'm baffled as to why the defense didn't object to or amend that order from the ADA. Doesn't make sense, unless maybe it got stuck into a big pile of papers and was overlooked. Looks like a major fuckup. |
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Quoted: The problem with "use of force experts" is that generally you're dealing with the ultimate issue for the jury to decide. Use of force is about the law. You can't have an expert witness on what the law is. The court is the only expert on the law allowed to instruct the jury. So a UOF expert would have to technically be an expert on something else. In police UOF cases, they generally are not used for this reason, but sometimes may be if an expert on police procedures is necessary, if that is relevant. So a UOF expert could testify on some aspect of the mechanics and logistics of it, but would have to be careful not to give legal opinions or testimony. View Quote Yep, I'm sure a judge knows more about UOF than an expert who's entire lives revolve around it. Just another reason the system is beyond f-ed up. |
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Quoted: Is it me or does Richards seem to be at the level of a Public defender. View Quote It's like he stepped out of a time machine from 1973, I don't think he's a bad lawyer, but he does seem above his level at times Chirafisi is a much more modern lawyer and more effective with witnesses and overall presentation, but that's to be expected from someone who is a former ADA |
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Quoted: In police shooting cases, there's always an instruction like this: I wonder if there's something similar they can use under Wisconsin law.... Because Rittenhouse is being held to a standard of reasonableness way in excess of even law enforcement. View Quote Way in excess of the officer who the same DA firmly supported for shooting Jacob Blake. So in the same week, they want to throw the book at Kyle for outperforming the officer who did a great job? |
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Quoted: The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced most people just don't care one way or the other. I don't think the strong pro-Kyle sentiment here is the norm, and I (hope to God) the strong hate-Kyle sentiment isn't the norm either. I'm inclined to believe we're both anomolies compared to the public at large. Am I wrong? Are the people in y'alls lives that you interact & work with daily really as polarized over issues like this as the internet would lead you to believe? Do they even know a trial is going on? And if so, are they aware of what's happening past a happenstance tweet? Another thread here started by Chris_C (I think thats his name) asking why everyone thought it was a big deal. Was he right? Do most people not think it is? I just don't see how your heart can't go out for this Kid. And how you can't be worried about the ramifications when what should be simple self-defense is turned into this travesty. Happy to live in Arizona, that's for sure. But it's turning into California fast. So even if this is an unlikely occurence here now, probably won't be long before that changes irreversibly. View Quote It depends on where you live, but for the majority of the population this is a big deal one way or another - even if a lot of the progtards are just parroting media coverage. If the victims were black it'd be a bigger deal for them. You may think AZ is turning into CA but I think you don't fully understand what that means, both in terms of political violence and day to day polarization. |
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Quoted: Binger is doing all he can to poison the well of justice. It is obvious truth and justice are not part of his job description. Since he is representing the state one must assume the state has no interest in truth and justice either. Duh! Politics is what this prosecution is all about. View Quote To be fair he is doing his job, which is to represent his client to the best of his ability. Consider a defense attorney representing someone he knows to be guilty of a horrific murder. That attorney's job is to provide his client the absolute best defense possible. Having said all that, Binger goes above and beyond his duty well into douchebag territory. He condescends to the witnesses, defendent, judge, and jury. And that is an intangible which I believe plays against him. |
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This is a shitshow. Binger got a win here because now it looks like they are incompetent.
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Exactly who and what is going on with this video stuff right now?
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All this gibberish isn’t helping in anyway.
There need to go to factual stuff ASAP |
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Defense and their expert are kinda shitting the bed at the moment. Bingers objections worked to make them look stupid or at least making them fumble through this.
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Ok, getting into the timing now, sort of back on track but this is going to be much less effective than before the objection
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Expert witness is establishing time between 4 shots KR fired into Rosenbaum - 3/4 of a second for all 4
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Quoted: I think Binger is better then people here are giving him credit for. He is an utterly horrible, contempatble shitbird of a human being but even with his condescension and snark towards the judge, he is pulling out all the stops to prosecute his case. He is running into difficulties that he probably doesn't usually face (a judge that is less then friendly towards him) but I bet he has a pretty solid record of convictions as well as throwing cases without getting caught when the agenda deems it. View Quote Most of his cases are slam dunks, and plead out. 99% of his work is filing papers, and basic facts discussion. |
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4 shots in 0.75 seconds is a rate of 320 rounds a minute
Not bad Kyle |
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Quoted: He has done so several times at this point. It's virtue signalling that he is on 'the right side' of the this. Loads of morons on the left think they are somehow the Rebel Alliance fighting the good fight against the Evil Empire of the right. Somehow they fail to see the logical incongruity of claiming to be the plucky underdogs whilst they control almost every single governmental and societal institution, and the vast majority of the media in the country does nothing but parrot their warped worldview. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted:
He has done so several times at this point. It's virtue signalling that he is on 'the right side' of the this. Loads of morons on the left think they are somehow the Rebel Alliance fighting the good fight against the Evil Empire of the right. Somehow they fail to see the logical incongruity of claiming to be the plucky underdogs whilst they control almost every single governmental and societal institution, and the vast majority of the media in the country does nothing but parrot their warped worldview. What a cunt |
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Quoted: That appears to be correct. How the defense capitulated on that one point is a big failure. Nothing better than a UOF expert in a SD trial. Should be numero uno on the expert witness list. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, but all he's allowed to talk about, according to that court order, is the timeline of events, as determined in his analysis of the video. What a disappointment, unless I'm misunderstanding something. That appears to be correct. How the defense capitulated on that one point is a big failure. Nothing better than a UOF expert in a SD trial. Should be numero uno on the expert witness list. I took that to mean that when he talks about the video timeline he can only talk about certain previously agreed upon stuff. Not that he couldn't talk about use of force which is outside the ADA's specific objection............. |
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Testimony is going better now, would have been more effective in it's original form but I think it's going ok
Richards sneaking in the timeline still |
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Quoted: To be fair he is doing his job, which is to represent his client to the best of his ability. Consider a defense attorney representing someone he knows to be guilty of a horrific murder. That attorney's job is to provide his client the absolute best defense possible. Having said all that, Binger goes above and beyond his duty well into douchebag territory. He condescends to the witnesses, defendent, judge, and jury. And that is an intangible which I believe plays against him. View Quote It's my understanding that the client is The People of the State of Wisconsin. And it's in the interest of the People to see justice done, not to convict innocent members of We the People. |
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