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Posted: 9/18/2019 3:39:29 PM EDT
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The very same forum where many of the same people were screaming “Government Motors omgwtfbbq!!!!” Are now standing with GM because “fuck unions” Holy shit I some of you morons would get your talking points straight. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 3:40:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know nothing about whats going on. From my no info point of view I see nothing funny of mocking men fighting for a better work environment and wage. should they just shut up taking less? Everything you dont like is a socialist right? The rights socalist is the lefts nazis. Shits old. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 3:41:52 PM EDT
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Wow, I didn't even think about the parts side of the equation. Don't you love it when a group of econo-terrorists can hold an entire company and its consumers hostage? What makes it even better is that they do so with the full support of the United States Government.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had to order parts for a 2019 Chevy spark, collision repair. Luckily the dealer I used had 3 of the 5 parts and located the other 2 at another OKC dealer. Otherwise this customer would be SOL as there is NO parts delivery to the GM dealers while there is a strike. Fuck unions. Don't you love it when a group of econo-terrorists can hold an entire company and its consumers hostage? What makes it even better is that they do so with the full support of the United States Government. I remember back in 1998 when uaw went on strike that happened to affect a manufacturing plant that built the axles used in GM 1 ton trucks. I'd just ordered a new one ton truck..... It took 6 fucking months to get that truck because they factory couldn't get the axle. Just glad I'm a patient guy?? |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 3:42:46 PM EDT
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Calm your tits, pal. This ain't 1920 and they aren't working 18 hour shifts in the coal mines. Their work environment and wages are fine, they just want more wages. And rather than earn those wages through proving to the company that their work is worth more (or God forbid, finding other work) they band together and strike and essentially hold the employer hostage. You're right, when it comes to unions, shits old. 
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Posted: 9/18/2019 3:58:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One would think that employers would get it through their skulls that if they simply treated their employees fairly, and decently unions would probably go away....Nope, you get morons with "God complexes" that get their jollies off fucking with their employees......and there are hundreds of thousands of businesses in this country with atrocious turnover rates, and stupid owners that can't figure out why. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:06:25 PM EDT
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Explain to me how a company is forced to employ union workers. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:09:37 PM EDT
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So all people who associate freely into groups are socialist enclaves and communist sympathizers? |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:17:01 PM EDT
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GM has a few months inventory, nothing will happen until that is gone. Fuck GM |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:22:34 PM EDT
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Heard on the wireless today that shifts were/are being sent home at Oshawa plants due to lack of parts... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GM has a few months inventory, nothing will happen until that is gone. Fuck GM |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:36:11 PM EDT
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I wouldn't go that far, but I'll bet you'd be hard pressed to find one labor union that was started/organized by free market capitalists. I would venture that most of the union bigwigs are socialists/socialist sympathizers while the rank and file are just sheeple paying someone to protect their job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So all people who associate freely into groups are socialist enclaves and communist sympathizers? |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:37:34 PM EDT
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I wouldn't go that far, but I'll bet you'd be hard pressed to find one labor union that was started/organized by free market capitalists. I would venture that most of the union bigwigs are socialists/socialist sympathizers while the rank and file are just sheeple paying someone to protect their job Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So all people who associate freely into groups are socialist enclaves and communist sympathizers? |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:38:38 PM EDT
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Just for the record people didn't start labeling unions as socialist till the Cold War. Organized labor has been a cornerstone of Marxism as long as there has been Marxism. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:48:44 PM EDT
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Well my union was actually started by the big fire sprinkler companies in the early 1900s. They started my union to help them with the lobotomy's prices across the country. Just for the record people didn't start labeling unions as socialist till the Cold War. There's a lot of ignorance towards unions on this site. I can work union for top dollar pay, health, and retirement. Or I can work rat for $10-$15 an hour less and no Benefits. Easy choice for me. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:49:30 PM EDT
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Horseshit. Organized labor has been a cornerstone of Marxism as long as there has been Marxism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just for the record people didn't start labeling unions as socialist till the Cold War. Organized labor has been a cornerstone of Marxism as long as there has been Marxism. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 4:55:01 PM EDT
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I said Google because that is the term that most people are familiar with. The word "Google" has evolved from a proper noun into a verb over time, as I am sure you are aware. Saying "You should Bing that" or "Let me DuckDuckGo that for you" just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it? 
And for the sake of complete transparency, I began my search using Bing, but did switch over to Google midway as my intent was to provide a LMGTFY link leading to the search results, just for fun. I am not aware of any similar option for Bing or DuckDuckGo, but if you know of one, please do share. After having found mixed results from both Bing and Google, I decided to post direct links rather than use LMGTFY, as I thought it would lead to less confusion. Incidentally, this was the first time using google in so long that I actually typed Google into the Bing search bar, rather than going directly to the site. 
Any further questions?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: yet you specifically said google you said and I quote "Google has plenty more examples to look at, if these aren't enough for you." How do you know what google has if you use bing? back pedfle much?
I said Google because that is the term that most people are familiar with. The word "Google" has evolved from a proper noun into a verb over time, as I am sure you are aware. Saying "You should Bing that" or "Let me DuckDuckGo that for you" just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?
And for the sake of complete transparency, I began my search using Bing, but did switch over to Google midway as my intent was to provide a LMGTFY link leading to the search results, just for fun. I am not aware of any similar option for Bing or DuckDuckGo, but if you know of one, please do share. After having found mixed results from both Bing and Google, I decided to post direct links rather than use LMGTFY, as I thought it would lead to less confusion. Incidentally, this was the first time using google in so long that I actually typed Google into the Bing search bar, rather than going directly to the site.
Any further questions? after a few drinks DuckDuckGo kinda has a ring to it
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Posted: 9/18/2019 5:04:21 PM EDT
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Watching union supporters contort themselves into logical pretzels trying to defend their bullshit makes my heart smile.
I have loved watching unions wither into the shitty little nuisance they've become in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 5:13:41 PM EDT
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Well unions were called guilds before they were called unions. Guilds existed long before socialism. 
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Posted: 9/18/2019 6:05:53 PM EDT
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Breaking! Spring Hill's UAW president arrested during GM strike
SPRING HILL Amid the GM strike, UAW Local 1853's president was arrested on Wednesday afternoon. President Tim Stannard was taken into custody by the Maury County Sheriff's Department. Within the last 24 hours, Sheriff Bucky Rowland says at least eight picketers have been arrested for impeding traffic. News 2 is working to learn why Stannard was arrested. Maury County Mayor Andy Ogles has been on scene much of Wednesday and he called the situation volatile at times. Ogles says he is trying to deescalate tensions and keep people from getting arrested. Sheriff Rowland says the UAW members have generally been cordial and his officers are trying to stay out of the mix, but when demonstrators block vehicles on the roadway, that's when the problem has boiled over. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 6:09:20 PM EDT
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Breaking! Spring Hill's UAW president arrested during GM strike SPRING HILL Amid the GM strike, UAW Local 1853's president was arrested on Wednesday afternoon. President Tim Stannard was taken into custody by the Maury County Sheriff's Department. Within the last 24 hours, Sheriff Bucky Rowland says at least eight picketers have been arrested for impeding traffic. News 2 is working to learn why Stannard was arrested. Maury County Mayor Andy Ogles has been on scene much of Wednesday and he called the situation volatile at times. Ogles says he is trying to deescalate tensions and keep people from getting arrested. Sheriff Rowland says the UAW members have generally been cordial and his officers are trying to stay out of the mix, but when demonstrators block vehicles on the roadway, that's when the problem has boiled over. what a load of shit |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 6:24:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quit self projecting. The only demented fool that is rambling is you. I'm pretty sure I offered one of you socialist pukes a $31/hr job and you still won't take it. Actually, I wouldn't hire a piece of shit like you to shine my boots. I'm good, save the delusional ramblings.
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Posted: 9/18/2019 6:28:53 PM EDT
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Well unions were called guilds before they were called unions. Guilds existed long before socialism. I swear to god the use of the word "union" should be banned unless the person precedes it with either "trade" or "labor" to avoid confusion |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 6:34:24 PM EDT
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So corporations are honest and good and fair, unions are evil and bad ...got it.
Wait, why are are corps like Wal-Mart so anti union again? You know, that corp that has spent decades annihilating Us towns and businesses and filling them up with imported cheap foreign garbage...have you looked at cities in places like China compared to the US lately btw? Isn't Wal-Mart open about wanting us citizens disarmed now too that they're finished destroying and worth 100+billion ? |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 6:42:45 PM EDT
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So you're not just illiterate, you're obnoxious and delusional too! Why stop there? It's not enough that you can't argue any of the issues, you have to try and offer me a pay cut too? I'm good, save the delusional ramblings.Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Quit self projecting. The only demented fool that is rambling is you. I'm pretty sure I offered one of you socialist pukes a $31/hr job and you still won't take it. Actually, I wouldn't hire a piece of shit like you to shine my boots. I'm good, save the delusional ramblings. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 6:44:01 PM EDT
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So corporations are honest and good and fair, unions are evil and bad ...got it. Wait, why are are corps like Wal-Mart so anti union again? You know, that corp that has spent decades annihilating Us towns and businesses and filling them up with imported cheap foreign garbage...have you looked at cities in places like China compared to the US lately btw? Isn't Wal-Mart open about wanting us citizens disarmed now too that they're finished destroying and worth 100+billion ? |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 6:45:49 PM EDT
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@Sixpack595 and @afroney - Would you guys mind taking it to the pit or knocking the personal attacks off? This isn't the hill to die on.
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:05:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:09:56 PM EDT
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@Sixpack595 and @afroney - Would you guys mind taking it to the pit or knocking the personal attacks off? This isn't the hill to die on. The only reason GM is profitable today is because they took their bailout money overseas and they’re still losing market share in those markets too... |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:10:21 PM EDT
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So, we've sunk to coc violations because "fuck unions"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:22:01 PM EDT
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Lots of bad assess here. I signed millions of dollars of checks for Union Pension and Welfare funds (Teamsters). I'm not a fan but it is what it is.
ETA: it wasn't really the money but the work rules that killed ya. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:22:07 PM EDT
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Union threads and pitbull threads are my favorite.
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:23:55 PM EDT
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Every dollar they spend on strike pay ($12.5M per week) and COBRA (likely more than strike pay) is a dollar they can't give the Democrats. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys are idiots. This is a headline for "eff unions" Same Union has 850 million in strike funds, the interest of which will cover these members insurance. The UAW will get paid back for whatever they spend on strikes. It's a no win situation for GM. But hey, it sounds like a zinger right!  Sounds good, but not reality. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:24:50 PM EDT
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Separate and segregated funds. Sounds good, but not reality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys are idiots. This is a headline for "eff unions" Same Union has 850 million in strike funds, the interest of which will cover these members insurance. The UAW will get paid back for whatever they spend on strikes. It's a no win situation for GM. But hey, it sounds like a zinger right! Sounds good, but not reality. Bleeding the union dry is like starving a tumor of blood supply. It is a good thing all around. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:28:28 PM EDT
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Don't start something you can't finish. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:30:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reality is simple.... Bleeding the union dry is like starving a tumor of blood supply. It is a good thing all around. That doesn't give a shit about me or the other members of my "craft" (represented management consisting of 32 members) they just want my dues. I'd drop the union in a heartbeat, but my position requires membership in the union as part of a collective agreement my "brothers" 20 some years ago agreed to for a whole $0.50 an hour raise. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:33:04 PM EDT
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Ok, let's finish it. I'll bet accounts. You keep claiming I'm some $15 an hour guy, I'll be happy to send one of the mods employment verification that I'm not and if I can't they can nuke my account. If I can prove it, your account gets nuked. Sound fun? |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:38:14 PM EDT
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Don't get me wrong, I'm in a union... That doesn't give a shit about me or the other members of my "craft" (represented management consisting of 32 members) they just want my dues. I'd drop the union in a heartbeat, but my position requires membership in the union as part of a collective agreement my "brothers" 20 some years ago agreed to for a whole $0.50 an hour raise. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:44:52 PM EDT
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In RTW states, you can be forced to join the union, but not forced to pay dues. Plus the union is legally bound to represent all members, even the ones that don't pay dues. The best part is that is due to a law the unions fought to get passed.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Federal law and regs trump state law. If a company in a right to work state is unionized even non union employees can be forced to pay union dues, and to be represented by a union. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:56:14 PM EDT
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Where did unions fight to get RTW passed? In MO they fought it tooth and nail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Federal law and regs trump state law. If a company in a right to work state is unionized even non union employees can be forced to pay union dues, and to be represented by a union. Essentially the union fucked themselves, when a member invokes RTW and stops paying dues, the union is still bound to represent them due to laws/rules they fought to get passed. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:57:10 PM EDT
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I read today that Ford has tentative agreements on 11 of 20 major issues, FCA is also reporting that they’re making good progress, but didn’t give specifics.
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:58:47 PM EDT
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Well you could become active, and attempt to decertify the union. With 32 members at your place of work would only take 16 more like minded individuals. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:00:36 PM EDT
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I read today that Ford has tentative agreements on 11 of 20 major issues, FCA is also reporting that they’re making good progress, but didn’t give specifics. Both of those deals are dependent upon the GM contract being approved. They are patterned on the GM contract, so until the GM contract gets the nod, Ford and FCA are in limbo. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:01:18 PM EDT
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It has been discussed, won't happen though. Union is smart enough to play the fear game with just enough people to stop that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well you could become active, and attempt to decertify the union. With 32 members at your place of work would only take 16 more like minded individuals. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:06:26 PM EDT
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Unions are scary if playing the fear game causes a Marine to back down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well you could become active, and attempt to decertify the union. With 32 members at your place of work would only take 16 more like minded individuals. 
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:09:53 PM EDT
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Keep reading. Both of those deals are dependent upon the GM contract being approved. They are patterned on the GM contract, so until the GM contract gets the nod, Ford and FCA are in limbo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read today that Ford has tentative agreements on 11 of 20 major issues, FCA is also reporting that they’re making good progress, but didn’t give specifics. Both of those deals are dependent upon the GM contract being approved. They are patterned on the GM contract, so until the GM contract gets the nod, Ford and FCA are in limbo. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:11:31 PM EDT
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It’s been said that if GM doesn’t look like they’re going to budge, the UAW will move on to another manufacturer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read today that Ford has tentative agreements on 11 of 20 major issues, FCA is also reporting that they’re making good progress, but didn’t give specifics. Both of those deals are dependent upon the GM contract being approved. They are patterned on the GM contract, so until the GM contract gets the nod, Ford and FCA are in limbo. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:17:13 PM EDT
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So corporations are honest and good and fair, unions are evil and bad ...got it. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:22:30 PM EDT
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You guys are idiots. This is a headline for "eff unions" Same Union has 850 million in strike funds, the interest of which will cover these members insurance. The UAW will get paid back for whatever they spend on strikes. It's a no win situation for GM. But hey, it sounds like a zinger right! |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other side of that argument is if GM doesn't cave, Ford and FCA UAW workers may strike alongside the GM folks, as their contracts are based on the GM contract. While it is possible that they’ll strike too, I think it is a bit less likely. Ford and FCA aren’t in a strong a position to negotiate as GM is, so it’s possible that they may offer a better deal than GM did. If that’s the case, I think the UAW would be happy to put it to a vote. They’d save a bit of face that way, and have another opportunity to make GM look bad to the public. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:35:22 PM EDT
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Keep reading. Both of those deals are dependent upon the GM contract being approved. They are patterned on the GM contract, so until the GM contract gets the nod, Ford and FCA are in limbo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read today that Ford has tentative agreements on 11 of 20 major issues, FCA is also reporting that they’re making good progress, but didn’t give specifics. Both of those deals are dependent upon the GM contract being approved. They are patterned on the GM contract, so until the GM contract gets the nod, Ford and FCA are in limbo. The union only really has one strike card and they played it. They're going to stay busy, but they're going to maintain pressure on GM to see who blinks first. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:37:19 PM EDT
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The other side of that argument is if GM doesn't cave, Ford and FCA UAW workers may strike alongside the GM folks, as their contracts are based on the GM contract. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read today that Ford has tentative agreements on 11 of 20 major issues, FCA is also reporting that they’re making good progress, but didn’t give specifics. Both of those deals are dependent upon the GM contract being approved. They are patterned on the GM contract, so until the GM contract gets the nod, Ford and FCA are in limbo. |
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