[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Law Suit, KE Arms, Karl InRange TV, GWACS CAV arms molds Brownells (Page 2 of 5)
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Quoted: Yup Love mine. Color in real is lighter than what it looks in my pic https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56774/4ED362C5-8719-4202-9EEC-230044977507_jpe-2464273.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56774/1BCDD1FE-B28D-4DC6-83A5-833728CC2FB3_jpe-2464276.JPG I kinda want them to do a "sand" one so I can dye it kubota orange and really stick it to all those green koolaid drinkers. 
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Quoted: Sounds like from the video that they "consulted" with KE arms on stuff they thought the lower would benefit from. Quoted: Quoted: Karl and Ian didn't design anything. They spec'd a home rifle build which included a GWACS-produced lower, and then put their name on a commercial build, inspired by their original home build, which included the KE Arms lower. Sounds like from the video that they "consulted" with KE arms on stuff they thought the lower would benefit from. People love to get into semantic diatribes when it comes to the WWSD rifles. |
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Quoted: In for this one, I didn't buy one of the new lowers because of Karl's involvement with the project. I'm not surprised that something like this is happening, though I do wish Russel the best. |
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Quoted: Karl and Ian didn't design anything. They spec'd a home rifle build which included a GWACS-produced lower, and then put their name on a commercial build, inspired by their original home build, which included the KE Arms lower. |
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Quoted: I wouldn't go in with Karl on a hotdog stand but I don't see how he has any involvement on GWACs lawsuit. Course I haven't read the pleadings [shrug] From the video, his only involvement was to give a deposition. But from the video, it sounds like they don't have a leg to stand on and its just blatant lawfare for politically motivated reasons. |
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Quoted: I wouldn't go in with Karl on a hotdog stand but I don't see how he has any involvement on GWACs lawsuit. Course I haven't read the pleadings [shrug] Quoted: Quoted: In for this one, I didn't buy one of the new lowers because of Karl's involvement with the project. I'm not surprised that something like this is happening, though I do wish Russel the best. I wasn't trying to suggest that the current suit is because of Karl's involvement. I did find it interesting that GWAC seemed to still have their lowers for sale while Russel and the guys were doing this new thing. It seemed like it was a situation ripe for this sort of disagreement. |
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Quoted: I wasn't trying to suggest that the current suit is because of Karl's involvement. I did find it interesting that GWAC seemed to still have their lowers for sale while Russel and the guys were doing this new thing. It seemed like it was a situation ripe for this sort of disagreement. They didn't, and just recently brought the Mk2s back. |
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Quoted: Do it! Next time I buy one I'll probably buy an assembled lower, I scuffed up my second one installing the bolt catch. Also, buy their safety. My first one is a regular safety from PSA and it has zero snap. I put a KE safety in the second one, it snaps but needs to be smoothed out some. The top rifle was 6 pounds with scope and light but before the sling. Milspec hammer and trigger pins work fine but don't extend all the way through, I put KE pins in the lower rifle and have a set for the upper rifle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/516916/IMG_20220609_175524956_jpg-2464250.JPG Drill the safety hole through the pistol grip, add a hex grub screw, and you can adjust the tension on the safety as much as you like. |
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I’ve been receiving numerous messages from friends and followers about the ongoing litigation with GWACS Armory centered around the KP-15. As you may know, GWACS filed suit against myself and my business Sinistral Shooting Technologies in 2020 alleging NDA and Trade Secret violations. I think the best way to address this is by sharing my declaration made to the court with supporting documents that was filed recently. You can find that document here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gx8rs50qy35qn5i/%23124%202022-07-18%20Declaration%20of%20Russell%20Phagan%20ISO%20Defendants_%20Motion%20for%20Summary%20Judgment.PDF?dl=0 GWACS has made a number of claims in this case that I believe to be false and outright offensive. One of the most offensive of these is their belief that they own every idea in my head related to polymer receiver designs through present day. I never signed a non-compete. I concluded my sale to them in good faith, delivering all the assets they purchased. For years after my sale to them was completed I continued to try to help them improve their product and market it more successfully. I did this because I believed in the product and did so without any direct compensation. I have dedicated my entire adult life to improving firearms designs and their use because I truly believe in the Second Amendment and the rights of all free people to be armed. My passion for competitive shooting and sharing that with my audience comes from a basis of encouraging everyone in this community to improve themselves and be better. I know I will never get rich in this industry, my satisfaction comes from advancing and improving the technology and the skills of the people in it. I am very fortunate that KE Arms has allowed me to make so many of my ideas a reality for the firearms community. If you want to help KE Arms, the best way to do so is to purchase KE Arms products. KE Arms is offering a discount code DEFEND2A25 to save 25% on all KP-15 and KP-9 receivers ordered through KEArms.com |
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Quoted: Cav sold 40 guns to an out of state buyer, and didn't ship them to an FFL? https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-CAV-ARMS-LOSES-FFL-TO-ATF-and-OWNER-ADMITS-TO-ILLEGALLY-SELLING-40-GUNS-COULD-DO-TIME-/5-1003311/?page=1 And ATF allowed offsite molding of 100% work in process lowers, until it didn't? Was the out of state sale a sting set up because the ATF was losing on the mold case? https://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/16/cav-arms-update/ The story so far: CavArms sold polymer lower receivers for AR-15s. The receivers were injection molded off site. CavArms reached an agreement and got an approval letter from BATF stating that the method of off site production was OK! ATF randomly changes it’s mind without telling anyone (like they do a lot) Then, they raid CavArms. ATF has initiated Civil Asset Forfeiture for all of the firearms seized in the raid. The list includes firearms that belong to employees, customers, and were here on consignment. We are not going to let them take it all unchallenged, we have retained counsel specializing in asset forfeiture and will be talking with them this week. We will update with more information as it becomes available. So, Cav closed its doors. Did the customers and consignors get their guns back from the Always Think Forfeiture! Is it a coincidence that was their slogan during the timeframe they were trying to rob Cav Arms? Dear Friends and Loyal Customers: As you may be aware, we have been engaged in an ongoing dispute with the ATF for the past two years. While Cavalry Arms has at all times tried its best to run a lawful and honest shop, unfortunately, some regulatory compliance mistakes were made. We have now come to the point where we feel it is in our best interest to close our FFL and to cease all firearms operations. The owner of Cavalry Arms, Shawn Nealon, has elected to leave the firearms business and concentrate on firearms accessories instead. We are currently in negotiations with another company for that company to purchase the CAV-15 product line. Rest assured that any resulting purchase agreement will address the issue of providing service and support with regard to existing CAV-15 firearm products. We will continue to manufacture quality plastic components, grow our Medical products line, and work to bring new innovations to the relevant markets. Over the next several weeks we will be conducting a wind-down of our firearms manufacturing and FFL operations. Accordingly, please do not send us any firearms for repair or replacement. Instead, such issues should be addressed to the ultimate purchaser of our assets. Due to our limited personnel resources, during this transition/operation wind-down period, the final processing and shipping of firearm receivers already in our inventory will be our first priority. We deeply appreciate your patience and understanding and anticipate that the relevant asset purchaser will begin operations in March of 2010. We sincerely thank you for your prior and ongoing support during these troubled times and look forward to better years ahead. Thank you, Cavalry Arms https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/cavalry-arms-leaving-firearm-business.1187546/ Based on very fuzzy memory (may include some errors)... The ATF agent that was responsible for inspecting CavArms had given them a letter saying it was OK for them to do the injection molding offsite, as long as one of their employees was there to supervise. That agent moved on to another position (or retired?) and a new ATF agent was assigned to them. ATF then raided CavArms and took various files and their inventory (basically cleaned them out and had to hire a temp agency to provide people to catalog the evidence - which raises questions about the chain of evidence, when Shaniqua is standing around with her girls trying to match items in a pile on a table with a printout on a clipboard - and there was video and pictures showing the temps doing this). Later, when CavArms was hurting from being shut down for a while, the ATF allowed them to start another run of lowers with an ATF agent watching, and when the first lower came out of the mold the ATF agent informed them that they had just violated the law by manufacturing offsite. The CavArms employee replied that they had been given an ATF letter saying it was OK, and when the ATF agent asked for the letter, the employee told them it was in the boxes of files that the ATF has confiscated in their raid. Where the ATF had their biggest success, was raiding the owner's home and going through the paperwork associated with the owner's dealer license (a separate business from CavArms, if I'm not mistaken). They found transactions where he had sold guns to residents of California without shipping them to a California FFL, but when the purchases were made, the buyers provided documentation of Arizona residence. ATF claimed he knew the buyers were not really residents of Arizona, when the purchases were made. The California resident transactions were used, along with depriving the company of income by keeping them shut down, to twist the owner's arm into agreeing to shutting down the gun manufacturing part of his business. |
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Quoted: Based on very fuzzy memory (may include some errors)... The ATF agent that was responsible for inspecting CavArms had given them a letter saying it was OK for them to do the injection molding offsite, as long as one of their employees was there to supervise. That agent moved on to another position (or retired?) and a new ATF agent was assigned to them. ATF then raided CavArms and took various files and their inventory (basically cleaned them out and had to hire a temp agency to provide people to catalog the evidence - which raises questions about the chain of evidence, when Shaniqua is standing around with her girls trying to match items in a pile on a table with a printout on a clipboard - and there was video and pictures showing the temps doing this). Later, when CavArms was hurting from being shut down for a while, the ATF allowed them to start another run of lowers with an ATF agent watching, and when the first lower came out of the mold the ATF agent informed them that they had just violated the law by manufacturing offsite. The CavArms employee replied that they had been given an ATF letter saying it was OK, and when the ATF agent asked for the letter, the employee told them it was in the boxes of files that the ATF has confiscated in their raid. Where the ATF had their biggest success, was raiding the owner's home and going through the paperwork associated with the owner's dealer license (a separate business from CavArms, if I'm not mistaken). They found transactions where he had sold guns to residents of California without shipping them to a California FFL, but when the purchases were made, the buyers provided documentation of Arizona residence. ATF claimed he knew the buyers were not really residents of Arizona, when the purchases were made. The California resident transactions were used, along with depriving the company of income by keeping them shut down, to twist the owner's arm into agreeing to shutting down the gun manufacturing part of his business. |
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Quoted: Based on very fuzzy memory (may include some errors)... The ATF agent that was responsible for inspecting CavArms had given them a letter saying it was OK for them to do the injection molding offsite, as long as one of their employees was there to supervise. That agent moved on to another position (or retired?) and a new ATF agent was assigned to them. ATF then raided CavArms and took various files and their inventory (basically cleaned them out and had to hire a temp agency to provide people to catalog the evidence - which raises questions about the chain of evidence, when Shaniqua is standing around with her girls trying to match items in a pile on a table with a printout on a clipboard - and there was video and pictures showing the temps doing this). Later, when CavArms was hurting from being shut down for a while, the ATF allowed them to start another run of lowers with an ATF agent watching, and when the first lower came out of the mold the ATF agent informed them that they had just violated the law by manufacturing offsite. The CavArms employee replied that they had been given an ATF letter saying it was OK, and when the ATF agent asked for the letter, the employee told them it was in the boxes of files that the ATF has confiscated in their raid. Where the ATF had their biggest success, was raiding the owner's home and going through the paperwork associated with the owner's dealer license (a separate business from CavArms, if I'm not mistaken). They found transactions where he had sold guns to residents of California without shipping them to a California FFL, but when the purchases were made, the buyers provided documentation of Arizona residence. ATF claimed he knew the buyers were not really residents of Arizona, when the purchases were made. The California resident transactions were used, along with depriving the company of income by keeping them shut down, to twist the owner's arm into agreeing to shutting down the gun manufacturing part of his business. I'm surprised the agent didn't stand there and watch them do the complete run so he could charge them all with a few hundred counts and seek life effective life imprisonment. |
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Found this timeline on the subject: > Nealon sold IP and the molds to Phagan when he lost his FFL. > Phagan could not get his FFL and sold the IP and molds to GWACS > Phagan left and went to KEA. > KEA and GWACs signed a Confidentiality Agreement to enter some sort of due diligence on a business transaction/partnership. > GWACS shared designs and ideas with KEA. > KEA also bought a thumb drive from Nealon for $10K. The thumb drive contained blueprints and proprietary information he sold to Phagan and Phagan sold to GWACS. > GWACS went to Bronwell's saying they were seeking investors. Brownells said they would by 8,500 units if they got the investment to start back up. > KEA knew this as GWACS shared this under the signed CDA. > When the investment never came through, KEA (who better than Phagan to sell a polymer lower) went to Brownells and conveniently said they could now make a polymer lower.<---you can't do this. So while he tries to frame it as some attempt to keep the public from getting AR15's, it is a case of profiting off of stolen IP and KEA knowing they can't use the information they got from Nealon and under the CDA with GWACS, and Brownells knowing that they are buying stolen IP.  |
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Quoted: Typical .gov behavior. Scumbags, all of them. ATF needs to be disbanded and EVERY gun law revoked. I'm not certain, but I think the ATF agent in charge of the raid on CavArms was the same one that was involved in a couple other cases where things started off with a big raid where the local news media was given advance notice so they could be there to report the whole thing (same happened at CavArms, if I'm not mistaken), then the cases turned out to be hugely inflated from mainly hearsay evidence and quickly started crumbling. Something of an opportunist that was looking to make a big name for himself in the news, to get promoted as a reward. If it was the same guy, he horribly embarrassed himself in one of those two other cases, when it started to look like there was no case at all, and accusations started flying that he was being used by a corrupt county sheriff to 'swat' someone that had been making noises about running against the sheriff. The other case took longer to fall apart, but also appeared to be an attempted swatting by two individuals that had lost out on raises due to the individual they 'dropped a dime on' raising questions about their job performance (and their ability to testify was later hampered by an agreement that had been signed to deal with slander issues). |
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Quoted: Do it! Next time I buy one I'll probably buy an assembled lower, I scuffed up my second one installing the bolt catch. Also, buy their safety. My first one is a regular safety from PSA and it has zero snap. I put a KE safety in the second one, it snaps but needs to be smoothed out some. The top rifle was 6 pounds with scope and light but before the sling. Milspec hammer and trigger pins work fine but don't extend all the way through, I put KE pins in the lower rifle and have a set for the upper rifle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/516916/IMG_20220609_175524956_jpg-2464250.JPG I bought an assembled one off of gunbroker for $100…. Put a 20” Aero upper on it. Damn thing shoots pretty damn well. I like the Hiperfire DM trigger.  I might have to get another one to build a LW .22 or iron sight pinned 14.5” |
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Quoted: Found this timeline on the subject: [i] https://media4.giphy.com/media/xUOxf2dpKpMEemljUI/200.gif 
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Quoted: I have been in involved in this stuff several times and the only real claim imho is the manufacturing process and procedures in terms intellect property. Do patents need to be involved? How can a company legally claim ownership of IP without a patent or at least a copyright? |
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Quoted: Whatever happened to GarryOwen and SinistralRifleman? Quoted: Quoted: CAVARMS was a great company Whatever happened to GarryOwen and SinistralRifleman? SinistralRifleman got married, had kids, then joined the Navy and became a SEAL. He was killed in 2012 during a combat tour in North Africa. |
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Quoted: Found this timeline on the subject: > Nealon sold IP and the molds to Phagan when he lost his FFL. > Phagan could not get his FFL and sold the IP and molds to GWACS > Phagan left and went to KEA. > KEA and GWACs signed a Confidentiality Agreement to enter some sort of due diligence on a business transaction/partnership. > GWACS shared designs and ideas with KEA. > KEA also bought a thumb drive from Nealon for $10K. The thumb drive contained blueprints and proprietary information he sold to Phagan and Phagan sold to GWACS. > GWACS went to Bronwell's saying they were seeking investors. Brownells said they would by 8,500 units if they got the investment to start back up. > KEA knew this as GWACS shared this under the signed CDA. > When the investment never came through, KEA (who better than Phagan to sell a polymer lower) went to Brownells and conveniently said they could now make a polymer lower.<---you can't do this. So while he tries to frame it as some attempt to keep the public from getting AR15's, it is a case of profiting off of stolen IP and KEA knowing they can't use the information they got from Nealon and under the CDA with GWACS, and Brownells knowing that they are buying stolen IP. https://media4.giphy.com/media/xUOxf2dpKpMEemljUI/200.gif |
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Quoted: SinistralRifleman got married, had kids, then joined the Navy and became a SEAL. He was killed in 2012 during a combat tour in North Africa. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: CAVARMS was a great company Whatever happened to GarryOwen and SinistralRifleman? SinistralRifleman got married, had kids, then joined the Navy and became a SEAL. He was killed in 2012 during a combat tour in North Africa.  Sinistralrifleman posted just above. GarryOwen is still around once in a while. He as his tactical medic store going I believe. |
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Quoted: Wow, this Oppenheimer guy appears to be a real piece of SJW shit. Here are his political donations: https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=Reed+Oppenheimer&two_year_transaction_period=2022&min_date=01%2F01%2F2016&max_date=12%2F31%2F2022 I’d donate to support maintaining Citizens United just to go counter to his efforts, but first the money needs to go to KE to beat this moron. Looks like we could just continue being ourselves to tweak this guy, but I still want to take a more active role in working against his interests. Wish I knew other companies he was invested in, for boycott purposes and to vote against his interests during shareholder meetings. Thank you, I was going to look that guy up. |
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Quoted: I had an early screw together cavarms that I wish I kept. I'm tempted to get a KE but I have way too many ARs I really wanted one for a relatively inexpensive lightweight build I was working on in 2020 (my second AR; I still only have two plus a stripped lower), but then I realized that to make it ban-compliant I'd have to use one of those silly kydex wraparound grip fin things which I refuse to use, since the pistol grip is integral with the lower. With a conventional lower there are other, much more ergonomic options and so I grabbed a couple of Anderson lowers, albeit at panic prices (everything cheaper was selling out too quickly and I grabbed what I could; price was double the pre-panic price). Now that our AWB may be gone in the near future, I may have to pick one up. |
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Quoted: Why don’t we like InRange? Karl is an open leftist who just happens to like guns and Ian likely is too as he fully supports him and continues associating with him. I don’t know a thing about the legal stuff but the WWSD rifle is an absolute rip off. Great concept, but the cost and promotion is cringe. |