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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:26:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not close to true. A historical analysis of all recorded wars was done a few years back that laid that pop culture assumption solidly to rest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: the only thing thats caused more people to die than socialist is religious justifications. . Not close to true. A historical analysis of all recorded wars was done a few years back that laid that pop culture assumption solidly to rest. LOL....I'd love to read that...got a link ? |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:27:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm agnostic, but so the fuck what? If delicate sensibilities can't handle differing opinions, then perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a site run by Bill Nye the "Science" Guy? |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:27:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Why won't you just discuss the subject? Why act like such a tool? They weren't there to study life. Just a fun find. Hey, neat article about an unexpected find. COOOOOOOL. Users like you are what have absolutely ruined this place. Why didn't science predict the life that was found? Why does it trigger people to merely ask why 'science,' had not predicted the existence of life at this location? |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:28:57 PM EST
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It's funny all the liberal atheists here think that a sea sponge is life, but have no problem with their Democrat communist ilk, in killing their babies because they spent alive.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:29:44 PM EST
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:34:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:35:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God is an amazing dude! Mother Nature finds your take on things amusing. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:36:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why didn't science predict the life that was found? Why does it trigger people to merely ask why 'science,' had not predicted the existence of life at this location? Because that isn't how science works or anything in this world works. Scientist testing the cell budding of a cilliate under stress don't also predict if there is a solar flare or a neutron star event happening simultaneously in the universe. Geologist working to study mud in an isolated water system aren't there to predict life in that area, nor do they have the training to even make a hypothesis of it. In your own example testing refraction of light, those scientist weren't there to see if they had stumbled upon a new subspeices of termite that was in the vicinity of their observation tools. Its irrelevant and does nothing but detract from a friendly conversation about the topic. You're obviously just another troll not here to add anything to the conversation and this community really needs to start getting rid of users like you to make this an enjoyable site again. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:39:14 PM EST
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There is a lot of interesting findings buried by "experts". It's everywhere... carbon dated old stuff on top of new stuff. Sea shells on top of mountains. Fossilized dinosaur prints with human prints over the top.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:44:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Permit me to fix your ignorance, for it is gross. The Nazi party, and especially the SS, was built around a belief in paganism. Hitler in his famous Munich rally speech (the one at night with all the torches often used in documentaries) openly urged Germans to "cast off their facade of Christianity" and thence return to their pagan roots. They created their own fake Aryan history and pseudo-religion. But still, a religion, just the same In over 5 millennia of wars, 7% of them were religious in nature. Take out Islam, which teaches conversion by war, and the number falls to 3%. But still, a religion, just the sameYou can go to the primary sources and read for yourself, or you can use this condensed explanation, but your ignorance is that of pop culture, there are no facts to support it. https://www.str.org/w/debunking-the-religious-wars-myth You post a link to a Christian web site as youre source ?!? LMFBO.....fucking clown shoes |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 2:51:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because that isn't how science works or anything in this world works. Scientist testing the cell budding of a cilliate under stress don't also predict if there is a solar flare or a neutron star event happening simultaneously in the universe. Geologist working to study mud in an isolated water system aren't there to predict life in that area, nor do they have the training to even make a hypothesis of it. In your own example testing refraction of light, those scientist weren't there to see if they had stumbled upon a new subspeices of termite that was in the vicinity of their observation tools. Its irrelevant and does nothing but detract from a friendly conversation about the topic. You're obviously just another troll not here to add anything to the conversation and this community really needs to start getting rid of users like you to make this an enjoyable site again. The guys investigating the mud are not the only scientists in the world. My question is why no scientist anywhere ever predicted that there would be life at this location. If such a reasonable question spoils the enjoyment, maybe the skin is too thin. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:02:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To think that the Creator of everything humbled himself to become a man, to live a sinless life and to die for us so that we may live - and he didn't even have a place to lay his head. And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. Luke 9:58 Bless His Holy Name. Amen. God is Awesome and mere humans can't fully comprehend His omnipotent powers and miracles. All we have to do is believe. Man made up science and now scientists prove what they are paid to prove influenced by devious politicians. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:05:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My question is why no scientist anywhere ever predicted that there would be life at this location. So you are going to believe an unsupported allegation by a journalist, trolling for clicks, that "no scientist anywhere ever predicted life" would be found in that one spot? I take it you believe everything that you read and see in the media? |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:05:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guys investigating the mud are not the only scientists in the world. My question is why no scientist anywhere ever predicted that there would be life at this location. If such a reasonable question spoils the enjoyment, maybe the skin is too thin. No one has said they haven't other than you. You are the one making the claim they haven't, now prove they haven't or shut the fuck up. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:21:07 PM EST
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Amazing! Like something from.....nothing.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:31:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's true, even if they have to discount things that they argued as fact for decades. They can change their arguments 180 degrees, and not understand why people don't blindly follow what they call facts *today*. Scientists sometimes sound like John Kerry/I was right before I was wrong. Things presented as "facts" should often be stated as *our best guess*. It's the same with Fauci regarding masks; he's taken both sides of the issue, yet people are still chastised for not believing his latest comments. His first comments were either wrong, or flat out lies to elicit a desired effect, yet his science is not to be questioned. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks/fact-checkoutdated-video-of-fauci-saying-theres-no-reason-to-be-walking-around-with-a-mask-idUSKBN26T2TR That is a feature not a bug. Of course there will always be people too stubborn or stupid to follow along and change as new information it gathered. Science has always been a best guess. It isn't the fault of science if you do not understand what a fact is. Facts are ALWAYS questioned in science. That is its purpose. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:40:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you never read Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Scientists react in predictable ways when confronted by anomalies; in fact, they react like religionists whose faith has been threatened. People are flawed. Even scientists. Science itself takes that into account. Flawed people can subvert that process for a time but in the end the process will win eventually. It is why we continue to make new discoveries and can better explain our world today than ever before. And why we will better understand it in the future. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:41:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why didn't science predict the life that was found? Why does it trigger people to merely ask why 'science,' had not predicted the existence of life at this location? Science does not predict things. People do. Science is a process not an entity. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:44:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just when you get comfy a fucking asshole drills a hole in the roof and turns the lights on. Thanks, assholes. We think alike |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:47:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To think that the Creator of everything humbled himself to become a man, to live a sinless life and to die for us so that we may live - and he didn't even have a place to lay his head. And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. Luke 9:58 Bless His Holy Name. Preach Brother |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:49:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guys investigating the mud are not the only scientists in the world. My question is why no scientist anywhere ever predicted that there would be life at this location. If such a reasonable question spoils the enjoyment, maybe the skin is too thin. Quote HistoryQuoted: The guys investigating the mud are not the only scientists in the world. My question is why no scientist anywhere ever predicted that there would be life at this location. If such a reasonable question spoils the enjoyment, maybe the skin is too thin. Probably because there was 900 meters of ice on top of this environment and no one had ever looked there before and "It is the first time that immobile life like these creatures has been found beneath an Antarctic ice sheet." So now we get to go from "Never seen this before" to "Interesting, we had never seen this before but now I wonder..." Edit: The article itself answers your question in more detail: “There’s all sorts of reasons they shouldn’t be there,” says Huw Griffiths at the British Antarctic Survey, who analysed the footage. He thinks the animals, which are probably filter feeders, survive on nutrients carried in the -2°C water. The conundrum is that they are so far from obvious nutrient sources, given that the boulder is located 260 kilometres from the open water at the front of the Filchner-Ronne ice shelf where photosynthetic organisms can survive. What’s more, the sponges’ food is probably travelling from even further afield, says Griffiths. Given what we know about the ocean currents in the area, the nearest up-current source of sunlight appears to be 600 kilometres away. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:53:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one has said they haven't other than you. You are the one making the claim they haven't, now prove they haven't or shut the fuck up. Why such hostility? Had life been predicted beneath the Antarctic ice sheet, why hasn't that been cited? |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:56:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why such hostility? Had life been predicted beneath the Antarctic ice sheet, why hasn't that been cited? Prove your claim |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:57:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably because there was 900 meters of ice on top of this environment and no one had ever looked there before and "It is the first time that immobile life like these creatures has been found beneath an Antarctic ice sheet." So now we get to go from "Never seen this before" to "Interesting, we had never seen this before but now I wonder..." Edit: The article itself answers your question in more detail: So Huw Griffiths at the British Antarctic Survey is a journalist? Because one of the replies above accused me of believing a journalist. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 3:59:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prove your claim You are confused about the difference between claims and questions. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:00:52 PM EST
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I thought Subterranean by James Rollins was a pretty decent book.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:01:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why such hostility? Had life been predicted beneath the Antarctic ice sheet, why hasn't that been cited? Hang on, let me go find the national news headline that discussed this issue. It was just on my desk... Where did I put that? Oh no, that's right, this is such a tiny niche subject that only a small amount of people would even be thinking about until this article. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:01:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are confused about the difference between claims and questions. You are attempting to shift the burden of proof to someone else. All of this is simply because you are unable to see how your initiial post and asinine claims are unrelated to this topic. You are just another troll account we don't need here. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:08:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Science does not predict things. People do. Science is a process not an entity. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:10:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are attempting to shift the burden of proof to someone else. All of this is simply because you are unable to see how your initiial post and asinine claims are unrelated to this topic. You are just another troll account we don't need here. I have asked questions from the beginning. The level of hostility provoked by mere questions has been very interesting. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:12:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hang on, let me go find the national news headline that discussed this issue. It was just on my desk... Where did I put that? Oh no, that's right, this is such a tiny niche subject that only a small amount of people would even be thinking about until this article. It sounds like one of the scientists quoted in the story was unaware of predictions that life would be found: "There's all sorts of reasons they shouldn't be there," says Huw Griffiths at the British Antarctic Survey, who analysed the footage. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:14:00 PM EST
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Quoted: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2267737-life-found-beneath-antarctic-ice-sheet-shouldnt-be-there/#Echobox=1613372718 The inadvertent discovery of sea life on a boulder beneath an Antarctic ice shelf challenges our understanding of how organisms can live in environments far from sunlight, according to a team of biologists. The researchers drilled through the 900-metre-thick Filchner-Ronne ice shelf and dropped a camera down the hole in search of mud on the seabed. To their surprise, it revealed a boulder ringed by animals. Footage appears to show 16 sponges, accompanied by 22 unidentified animals that could include barnacles. It is the first time that immobile life like these creatures has been found beneath an Antarctic ice sheet. Dammit. Arrest those organisms doing things they shouldn't be doing. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:14:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Huw Griffiths at the British Antarctic Survey is a journalist? Because one of the replies above accused me of believing a journalist. I don't know. Perhaps you should consider asking that to whoever you were having that conversation with or look into it yourself. You asked a question that the article itself answered prior to you asking it. I can't tell if you are you trying to be a critical thinker or just playing gotcha games for your own amusement. Either way it isn't going well for you when you ask questions after the answer has already been spelled out for you. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:16:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To think that the Creator of everything humbled himself to become a man, to live a sinless life and to die for us so that we may live - and he didn't even have a place to lay his head. And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. Luke 9:58 Bless His Holy Name. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Amen... |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:16:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The theory of relativity predicted that under certain circumstances light bends. This prediction is one of the key demarcators that made relativity a scientific theory and not pseudoscience: it was testable. No, the theory of relativity is a model that a scientist developed for him to predict something. Now we can test his prediction to see if that model works. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:18:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess some people grow weary of it. It's the same as if your kid came home from school and said their math teacher taught the class that 2+2= ketchup. Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire History is rife with catastrophic examples. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh no. Someone quoted a bible verse. I’m triggered. I guess some people grow weary of it. It's the same as if your kid came home from school and said their math teacher taught the class that 2+2= ketchup. Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire History is rife with catastrophic examples. You do a grave disservice to Voltaire. Why didn't you include the rest of quote? @C371C " If you do not use the intelligence with which God endowed your mind to resist believing impossibilities, you will not be able to use the sense of injustice which God planted in your heart to resist a command to do evil. Once a single faculty of your soul has been tyrannized, all the other faculties will submit to the same fate. This has been the cause of all the religious crimes that have flooded the earth." |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:24:14 PM EST
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This is why we can't have nice threads anymore.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:30:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why we can't have nice threads anymore. Why's that? Because an atheist is misquoting Voltaire whom had a specific hatred for the Catholic Church, in an attempt to misconstrue Voltaire's words in order to denounce all religion, when Voltaire didn't have an issue with religion in general or the existence of a higher being? 
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Posted: 2/15/2021 4:46:45 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's with all the nutty religious people popping up lately? I'm not overly religious but why does it bother you what other people think? |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:03:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, the theory of relativity is a model that a scientist developed for him to predict something. Now we can test his prediction to see if that model works. Relativity: 3a: a theory which is based on the two postulates (1) that the speed of light in a vacuum is constant and independent of the source or observer and (2) that the mathematical forms of the laws of physics are invariant in all inertial systems and which leads to the assertion of the equivalence of mass and energy and of change in mass, dimension, and time with increased velocity called also special relativity, special theory of relativity b: an extension of the theory to include gravitation and related acceleration phenomena called also general relativity, general theory of relativity |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:04:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. Perhaps you should consider asking that to whoever you were having that conversation with or look into it yourself. You asked a question that the article itself answered prior to you asking it. I can't tell if you are you trying to be a critical thinker or just playing gotcha games for your own amusement. Either way it isn't going well for you when you ask questions after the answer has already been spelled out for you. Yes, the article answered my question by saying the discovery of life in that location was unanticipated. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:12:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah yes, moving the goal posts. I remember my first internet arguement. Yes,Creationists move the goalposts with every breath. "One day could mean a thousand years or a billion years. And by cattle maybe it meant dinosaurs." |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:18:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a feature not a bug. Of course there will always be people too stubborn or stupid to follow along and change as new information it gathered. Science has always been a best guess. It isn't the fault of science if you do not understand what a fact is. Facts are ALWAYS questioned in science. That is its purpose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's true, even if they have to discount things that they argued as fact for decades. They can change their arguments 180 degrees, and not understand why people don't blindly follow what they call facts *today*. Scientists sometimes sound like John Kerry/I was right before I was wrong. Things presented as "facts" should often be stated as *our best guess*. It's the same with Fauci regarding masks; he's taken both sides of the issue, yet people are still chastised for not believing his latest comments. His first comments were either wrong, or flat out lies to elicit a desired effect, yet his science is not to be questioned. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks/fact-checkoutdated-video-of-fauci-saying-theres-no-reason-to-be-walking-around-with-a-mask-idUSKBN26T2TR That is a feature not a bug. Of course there will always be people too stubborn or stupid to follow along and change as new information it gathered. Science has always been a best guess. It isn't the fault of science if you do not understand what a fact is. Facts are ALWAYS questioned in science. That is its purpose. Another example. You don't call things facts, and then question/prove them. You come up with a theory or hypothesis, and then once proven it becomes fact. If something is still in question, it isn't a fact.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:21:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's with all the nutty religious people popping up lately? Lately? It's been this way since at least 2004. I've gone from agnostic atheist to agnostic theist in that time and GD hasn't changed. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:28:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guys investigating the mud are not the only scientists in the world. My question is why no scientist anywhere ever predicted that there would be life at this location. If such a reasonable question spoils the enjoyment, maybe the skin is too thin. How do we know they didn't? Did you search every scientific journal and verify no one had predicted it? I know we have discussed that lake a few times on arfcom and non-scientists have predicted life would be found. We've also predicted life will be found on Europe and evidence of at least past life will be found on Mars. One down, 2 to go.... |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:31:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People are flawed. Even scientists. Science itself takes that into account. Flawed people can subvert that process for a time but in the end the process will win eventually. It is why we continue to make new discoveries and can better explain our world today than ever before. And why we will better understand it in the future. Yup, the beauty of science is it doesn't matter how much people dislike your theory, if it is falsifiable and the results are repeatable, you will eventually win out. Einstein was not a fan of quantum mechanics, but he was wrong. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:33:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just when you get comfy a fucking asshole drills a hole in the roof and turns the lights on. Thanks, assholes. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:33:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. Perhaps you should consider asking that to whoever you were having that conversation with or look into it yourself. You asked a question that the article itself answered prior to you asking it. I can't tell if you are you trying to be a critical thinker or just playing gotcha games for your own amusement. Either way it isn't going well for you when you ask questions after the answer has already been spelled out for you. He's smart enough to know that is how he's coming across. He's a troll, leave it at that. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:35:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why's that? Because an atheist is misquoting Voltaire whom had a specific hatred for the Catholic Church, in an attempt to misconstrue Voltaire's words in order to denounce all religion, when Voltaire didn't have an issue with religion in general or the existence of a higher being? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is why we can't have nice threads anymore. Why's that? Because an atheist is misquoting Voltaire whom had a specific hatred for the Catholic Church, in an attempt to misconstrue Voltaire's words in order to denounce all religion, when Voltaire didn't have an issue with religion in general or the existence of a higher being? Because this thread is about a cool scientific story, but all that's being discussed is religion for some reason For the record I'm a Christian, I just don't see why this debate has to be in this thread |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:40:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do we know they didn't? Did you search every scientific journal and verify no one had predicted it? I know we have discussed that lake a few times on arfcom and non-scientists have predicted life would be found. We've also predicted life will be found on Europe and evidence of at least past life will be found on Mars. One down, 2 to go.... So you are free to ask questions but if I ask questions I'm a troll. Whatever. |
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