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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:02:06 PM EDT
[#1]
Light
Sling BUIS are a must have |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:02:59 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Real world example which goes far towards convincing me it was $ well spent. You don't know what's going to happen, ever. The world has changed recently if you haven't been paying attention. Better to be prepared. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:04:21 PM EDT
[#3]
Light on one rifle and one handgun.
Not a necessity IMO but somewhat easily located flashlight. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:05:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:05:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: sling optic light on all the rifles.... - Clint |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHe can’t. But, his buddy can. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:08:27 PM EDT
[#7]
Yes I have and use lights on all my weapons but I’m not stupid where I’ll give away my position when using them.
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:10:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better to have and not need than need and not have. Sound advice. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He can’t. But, his buddy can. Quote HistoryQuoted: He can’t. But, his buddy can. Yes there are countless home defense scenarios where when the shooting started, the dude with the light died. Now if we are talking about other scenarios, then yes emitting is gay. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:17:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes there are countless home defense scenarios where when the shooting started, the dude with the light died. Now if we are talking about other scenarios, then yes emitting is gay. In fairness I was just being snarky because the dude is in full NV mode. I am not using my NV for bumps in the night. I don't believe we are down the road quite that far just yet. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:17:25 PM EDT
[#11]
I’ve got a light on 1 rifle.
That’s it. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:19:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve got a light on 1 rifle. That’s it. Then what do you do with your offhand rifle? |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:20:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2023 12:32:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In fairness I was just being snarky because the dude is in full NV mode. I am not using my NV for bumps in the night. I don't believe we are down the road quite that far just yet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes there are countless home defense scenarios where when the shooting started, the dude with the light died. Now if we are talking about other scenarios, then yes emitting is gay. In fairness I was just being snarky because the dude is in full NV mode. I am not using my NV for bumps in the night. I don't believe we are down the road quite that far just yet. Soon  
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:03:33 PM EDT
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It really depends on the intended use(s) of the rifle. Like, if its just punching targets and occasional hunting no. If it is home defense/tactical yes.
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's an opportunity cost of a PSA AR per light set up. Sad face. PSA has done forearms, now ammo.. They need to get into flashlights. Something better than Chinese (with their 18 modes) and cheaper than SF or Modlite. It's an aluminum tube with a few springs and an LED. Wtf. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:20:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: I bought my first AR in 95. I got to play in the early stages of GWOT. I had never seen nor heard of lights on rifles. Now it appears not only is it all the rage but it is NECESSARY. I have been told as much and told I should feel bad for having naked ARs. A LEO I can see a rifle light being useful as they'd have the ability to openly expose themselves. To me that's about the only group it makes sense for, short of total social breakdown. Soldiers and insurgents would only draw all eyes on the battlefield were they to bust out white light in the dark. What say you? Are lights on rifles SOP these days? (I was recently shamed into putting lights on wife and I's rifles. Fricken 500$ for 2 surefires....absolutely insane) Essential for real use weapons, LE will show you how often it is needed, and how much of an improvement it really is, because you are having the rifle out a lot. Took me about a month of actual use and exactly one night time hostage situation trying to handle both an AR and a handheld flashlight to decide to purchase my first Surefire weapon light (60 lumens!) and tritium AR sights. Been in a technology race ever since. These days I run a minimum of a 800 lumen light on my serious weapons. I have been using a weapon light on my main handgun and rifle for the last 25 years at this point. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:23:24 PM EDT
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My NV rifle has an IR light on it, no white light madness.
My HD 300blk has a white light on it, but it is for use indoors on baddies kicking my bedroom door in, not for house clearing or etc. etc. Walter Mitty shit that GD comes up with. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:23:53 PM EDT
[#19]
Home defense AR, yes. Out in the woods AR, no.
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:32:20 PM EDT
[#20]
If you have NV I guess it would be extraneous.
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:33:31 PM EDT
[#21]
When I first got into AR's, I use think the same thing. Maybe legit for Mil and/or LEO but a total poser thing for Civies
Quoted: short of total social breakdown. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:33:38 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryI so want this in my life is it really a thing?? |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:36:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it sort of depends on what the rifle is being used for. This seems to be common sense to me. None of my Retro or plinker guns have lights. HD/SD guns have them. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:36:40 PM EDT
[#24]
A few years ago I took a low light shooting class. We used weapon mounted and hand-held lights, on both pistols and rifles.
You can use a hand held flashlight while shooting a rifle, and it isn't as difficult as it might seem. Weapon mounted is still preferable. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:39:24 PM EDT
[#25]
I live in the country so for my purposes yes. I don't need them to be wiz bang tactical either. I just need to see if I am shooting at a dog in the goat pen or a goat. A few Surefire G2s in some offset mounts is all I need.
When I went to Iraq all of us were issued weapon lights. Big fucking Surefire things, that just made the rifle more awkward than anything. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:39:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years ago I took a low light shooting class. We used weapon mounted and hand-held lights, on both pistols and rifles. You can use a hand held flashlight while shooting a rifle, and it isn't as difficult as it might seem. Weapon mounted is still preferable. Hell we used to use the long assed D cell Maglights with our M16s. Unwieldy but it worked. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:39:35 PM EDT
[#27]
Light on my HD AR
Light on wife’s AR Light on wife’s carry pistol Light on my “killing the raccoons in the chicken coop at midnight” .22 AR |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:42:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it sort of depends on what the ruhifle is being used for. This. Something, something, mission driving gear something... |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:43:29 PM EDT
[#29]
In daylight, not so much.
If you go out at night or in a dark building they come in handy. 
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:45:01 PM EDT
[#30]
I’d dare say a rifle light is even more important than a pistol light.
I don’t own any long guns without one. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:45:06 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got out in 05 and was never issued one. I have to actively resist becoming a fricken fudd apparently. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got my first weapon light experience in 2005 when I was issued an incandescent Surefire for my rifle in the GWOT. I have a weapon light on every defense weapon these days. I got out in 05 and was never issued one. I have to actively resist becoming a fricken fudd apparently. To be fair, I heard a similar story about "I was never issued this back in the day" when I was a Pfc back in 2003. I heard it from a Sgt Maj that was talking about how body armor with hard plates aren't really necessary for everyone because they slowed you down, are hot, and he didn't even have hard plates as an infantryman the tail end of Vietnam. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:45:25 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Light Sling BUIS are a must have What about a RDS? |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:50:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it sort of depends on what the rifle is being used for. Yup. Mine go-to AR is to repel assholes inside my apartment. A light isn't a meaningful amount of weight, and it can really make a difference in target identification. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:51:06 PM EDT
[#34]
Seeing what you are shooting is important...so yes, lights are needed. They are primarily for indoor use.
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Posted: 3/22/2023 1:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do not have a light on my concealed carry pistol. Then you are wrong. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:00:59 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Light Sling BUIS are a must have Light and sling are 100% mandatory. Either a red dot or irons are 100% mandatory. BUIS is not necessary as long as you're using a proven optic. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:02:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Necessity is determined by purpose of the tool in question. What's the rifle going to be used for?
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:03:21 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA has done forearms, now ammo.. They need to get into flashlights. Something better than Chinese (with their 18 modes) and cheaper than SF or Modlite. It's an aluminum tube with a few springs and an LED. Wtf. A Streamlight costs what, less than $150 with a pic mount and pressure pad? Done. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:04:01 PM EDT
[#39]
If the rifle is only for range use...doubt it. Work or self-defense purposes? Absolutely.
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:06:37 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's an opportunity cost of a PSA AR per light set up. Sad face. One properly setup and equipped rifle is worth way more than however many equivalent budget PSA rifles. I'm down to 2 556 ARs. My 13.9" Do-all (Criterion barrel, G SSF trigger, A5 buffer, griffin explorr silencer, DBAL A2, TA33/holosun, arisaka light) 16" Precision (Krieger barrel/JP matched bolt, Gucci ADM receiver set, Sig 3-18x) And yes it needs a light on it if you plan to do anything than shoot targets during the day time. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:15:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Not going to eradicate many dillos w/o a light...
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:16:50 PM EDT
[#42]
Surefire or stream light led with 18650 battery in a scope ring on a piece of rail. Not that expensive and works very well. $100
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:18:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% on do important shit rifles. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:19:51 PM EDT
[#44]
Absolutely yes! Target ID is imperative. Clone correctness is a thing too.
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:20:53 PM EDT
[#45]
Firmly in the have it and not need it camp.
Surefire G2X's for $70 and change all day long. Plus a good mount, $30+- . |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:24:52 PM EDT
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For a range toy, not necessary, but required on a home defense rifle. Doesn't have to be expensive either. I use a Surefire G2X Tactical in a $20 mount I found on amazon that works a lot better than it should, just make sure to loctite the screws.
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:32:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have NV I guess it would be extraneous. I still have a white light on my rifle that has an IR laser/illuminator. If I need white light I need it now. ETA: here's a SEAL from another thread with NODs on his nugget, an IR laser/illuminator on his gat, and WML. Even if in the boonies with little ambient light, if manmade light starts getting used you might need your own white light to deal with autogated tubes and/or photonic barriers. Post #37 on pg3 |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:38:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Easy and solid purchase would be a Streamlight as I have one that's going on 9 yrs old beat to shit works like a champ.......... https://armsunlimited.com/streamlight-protac-hl-x-1000-lumen-rail-mount-weaponlight-w/-remote-switch/ Is that company good to go? Arms Unlimited? |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that company good to go? Arms Unlimited? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Easy and solid purchase would be a Streamlight as I have one that's going on 9 yrs old beat to shit works like a champ.......... https://armsunlimited.com/streamlight-protac-hl-x-1000-lumen-rail-mount-weaponlight-w/-remote-switch/ Is that company good to go? Arms Unlimited? Yup, both are legit |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 2:41:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only if you want to see in the dark and are a poor without nightvision/thermal. Interdiction of trespassers without express intent to eliminate them would tend to favor white light as well as IR if available. Hard to intimidate into compliance if they can't see that you're not bluffing imo. Sure you found and got a drop on them with nods but now what? |
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