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Posted: 2/28/2022 8:57:30 AM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Ukraine can hold out and Putin expends too much of his military I think the wolves will gather and possibly take a chance for payback for what Russia has done to them in the past. Maybe Ukraine is Putin's Ardennes offensive? Betting it all on a fast win while he can but if he fails there will be no going back. A country with nothing left to lose can make some exciting choices. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:00:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is where I'm at. The US has already fallen, Russia and China are left. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My honest opinion is this; we are going to go full color revolution with Putin, the big enchilada. They've never been able to touch Russia and they feel it's time to do it before the big pivot to China. If it doesn't work out, and I don't think it will, the end result will be an extremely wrecked Russia at least financially that will then be less of a concern to China. At that point, it's US and China. In the meantime all these actions allow the ole Fabian Socialists to implement the green new deal/BBB plan. I weep for my children. This is where I'm at. The US has already fallen, Russia and China are left. Wut? For all our problems we are far better than those places. The elites are pushing us to be totalitarian police states but they are already there. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:01:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is exactly what I've been thinking about today. China is now in the luxurious position of continuing to back Russia, if the RuAF unfuck themselves and win. Russia will be a defacto vassal state, beholden to China's benevolent resource purchases. Or, if Russia loses without using nukes, China can backstab Russia and take all of the disputed territories and then some. All in the name of global great justice. People who are screaming for greater US involvement in this mess are not going to like where all of this ends up. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:03:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Clutch the pearls harder, doesn't change the opinion. Russia wiping DC off the map would be the catalyst to exact change and at least get rid of a large portion of the federal rot and decay afflicting the USA. Horrible to see the collateral, but think of all the lobbyists, pedophiles, lawyers, politicians, bureaucrats, etc gone. Then the physical heads of all the federal bureaucracy itself. Net positive by a long shot lol |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:11:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably and Kiev will be his Stalingrad, those people will not back down or surrender. He is pretty much fucked at this point on many levels, world opinion, economically, militarily, unrest now in his own country, world is aligning against him. Belarus may revolt against him at this point because it they help him, they will be exposed to the same sanctions and they already have problems there with the people, they do not recognize the current president. I think it is only a short matter of time that you will see he has been disposed. The oligarchs, military and higher political figures / agencies will take care of business because they see their wealth and way of life evaporating before their eyes. No more toy miniature giraffes? 
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:16:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC. Someone went Full Retard. "Govern me harder federal USA, love the corruption, without it, how will we ever make it?" |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:19:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, China is going to be the winner in all this. Especially if NATO and the US and EU go all in on war with Russia. People who are screaming for greater US involvement in this mess are not going to like where all of this ends up. No. Where did the design of their first two carriers come from? How well has that design performed in Soviet service? What engines are CHina putting in their fighters - Russian, (bad), or Harbor Freight knock-offs of Russian, (very, VERY bad!) What is the state of Chinese integrated air defense systems verses the U.S. or Russia? What is the count of Chinese sea-launched nuclear deterrent, and how reliable is it, verses Russia or the U.S., (or Britain, or France ...) Same question re: nuclear attack subs. How does Chinese access to low earth orbit stack up against Russia, the U.S., or Europe? If you think the Russian army looks bad, (and it is) just WAIT until you see troops that spend a lot of time harvesting crops and attending political indoctrination instead of training perform. China is North Korea writ large. The best and brightest of China come HERE to be educated, and the best and brightest of those fight like hell to stay here - because they aren't stupid. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:29:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Where did the design of their first two carriers come from? How well has that design performed in Soviet service? What engines are CHina putting in their fighters - Russian, (bad), or Harbor Freight knock-offs of Russian, (very, VERY bad!) What is the state of Chinese integrated air defense systems verses the U.S. or Russia? What is the count of Chinese sea-launched nuclear deterrent, and how reliable is it, verses Russia or the U.S., (or Britain, or France ...) Same question re: nuclear attack subs. How does Chinese access to low earth orbit stack up against Russia, the U.S., or Europe? If you think the Russian army looks bad, (and it is) just WAIT until you see troops that spend a lot of time harvesting crops and attending political indoctrination instead of training perform. China is North Korea writ large. The best and brightest of China come HERE to be educated, and the best and brightest of those fight like hell to stay here - because they aren't stupid. They are building their own carrier. They are working at a blinding speed to steal, reverse engineer, and acquire tech for their deficiencies. Russia is a alliance of convience and one that is fast losing its appeal as China develops more and more, especially after these actions. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:31:32 AM EST
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Long term after this or even after Putin might be just a slow shrinking of their ability to project anything. They will continue to have relevance with the energy reserves and other natural resources , but military prowess will be more similar to the rest of EU.
Now , does that T up China ala Tom Clancy Bear and the Dragon ? Maybe. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:31:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New York New Jersey Commifornia Coast Portland Seattle Boston Baltimore Due to the failure of mentioning your own location, your decisions on who gets eliminated are hereby nullified. Simply put, talking smack from the shadows is very unbecoming. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:32:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nukes are the wild card and pushing Russia into a corner will lead to a few getting loose somewhere. I just hope it’s Washington, DC. Dude you are a fucking idiot, you should be banned. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:48:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Ukraine can hold out and Putin expends too much of his military I think the wolves will gather and possibly take a chance for payback for what Russia has done to them in the past. Maybe Ukraine is Putin's Ardennes offensive? Betting it all on a fast win while he can but if he fails there will be no going back. Russia still has the trump card. And let's face facts, they're being REALLY nice in The Ukraine, not bombing the fuck out of cities, etc. If those countries decided to poke the bear, I think the gloves would come off and they would be dealing with a very different Russian response that involves air power, surgical strikes, and actual bomber use. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:55:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China is the new Russia. Yep. We would have been better off working with Putin and Russia. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:58:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you would want an American city wiped off the map to bring about political change? The effects wouldn't be what you're hoping for...not very bright. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spare me the huge manatees, and get out of the cesspool now. I dunno... Baltimore, Shitcago, Filthadelphia could take a nuke strike and, IMHO, come out looking better than they did pre nuke and realistically the U.S. would be better off without them. A hit on Washington DC would basically erase most of the cancerous corruption in this country, to be honest. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 10:03:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would end up under martial law that would never end. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So you would want an American city wiped off the map to bring about political change? The effects wouldn't be what you're hoping for...not very bright. Clutch the pearls harder, doesn’t change the opinion. Russia wiping DC off the map would be the catalyst to exact change and at least get rid of a large portion of the federal rot and decay afflicting the USA. Horrible to see the collateral, but think of all the lobbyists, pedophiles, lawyers, politicians, bureaucrats, etc gone. Then the physical heads of all the federal bureaucracy itself. Net positive by a long shot lol You would end up under martial law that would never end. And that is materially different to now? A fucking fake pandemic came out and more than half the Democrats want to throw everyone who disagrees into camps, and that's AFTER they essentially instituted martial law across the country. And it is never going to end. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 10:05:15 AM EST
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They took half of Finland (Karelian). And an island I believe. The Bear has turned into a cub.
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Posted: 2/28/2022 10:10:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you would want an American city wiped off the map to bring about political change? The effects wouldn't be what you're hoping for...not very bright. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spare me the huge manatees, and get out of the cesspool now. I’d cut him some slack I am pretty darn sure he was metaphorically speaking. The swamp is so intrenched in DC that it certainly stirs feelings of desperation. IE stupid comments about having your own nation nuked Considering what’s going on he probably doesn’t realize that that we’ve probably moved a DEFCON notch in a bad direction. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 10:14:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are absolutely correct. Except that China's demographics make Russia look like a bustling young nation full of hope for the future. China has literally ten times the number of live births per year as Russia. China and Russia have almost identical fertility rates, but China has a lot more population so can last longer. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 10:17:31 AM EST
[#19]
Russia is a third world country with first world armed forces.
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Posted: 2/28/2022 10:18:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude you are a fucking idiot, you should be banned. lol 
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Posted: 2/28/2022 10:53:22 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like they'll actually be slightly better off in five years. https://www.stlouisfed.org/-/media/project/frbstl/stlouisfed/blog/2016/february/blogimage_russiabirthsdeaths_022516.jpg How can you tell that from looking at that graph? |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 11:53:20 AM EST
[#22]
Something about remembering what happened to a weak Germany in the 20s.
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Posted: 2/28/2022 12:07:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A hit on Washington DC would basically erase most of the cancerous corruption in this country, to be honest. Unfortunately it won't. The fed.gov has detailed "continuity of government" plans. The more at the top of D.C. is destroyed, the further the seat of power gets pushed down and distributed into the swamp of the left-leaning federal bureaucracy. Federal judges and alphabet agencies will be in charge, and it won't be pretty. And once elections do eventually reestablish Congress and the White House, all the new emergency powers the bureaucracy has gained in the interim will never go away. Think it's bad now with the rank-and-file fed.gov resisting and slow-rolling policy, when the Republicans have control? It'll be 100x worse if D.C. gets nuked. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 12:10:01 PM EST
[#24]
Uncle Joe trying hard to drag us down to Russia levels too.
Joe: “I’ve made everything better but you just can’t be happy” |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 12:11:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a good possibility unless Biden and his Climate Change Doomers can keep oil prices high enough to finance Russia’s military ambition. Don't worry, I'm sure they are hard at work at it as we speak. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 12:12:27 PM EST
[#26]
Does Russian mediocrity imply the same in North Korea?
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Posted: 2/28/2022 2:15:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A weak Russia means a stronger Germany and China. Neither of those things is a net positive for us. China is in a catastrophic decline which makes Russia look like the picture of health. Germany for all intents and purposes does not have a military, and increasing the budget now isn't going to change that for years. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 2:15:53 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you would want an American city wiped off the map to bring about political change? The effects wouldn't be what you're hoping for...not very bright. The obvious quibble is that Washington D.C. is not an American city. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 2:20:46 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are building their own carrier. They are working at a blinding speed to steal, reverse engineer, and acquire tech for their deficiencies. Russia is a alliance of convience and one that is fast losing its appeal as China develops more and more, especially after these actions. BZZZZZZZZT Wrong. They are building something we don't even see fit to classify as a carrier when we put them in our Navy. You need something like a dozen of those to match what we think of when we say "carrier". |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 2:24:05 PM EST
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I often wondered how Russia would do if they shed themselves of their buffer countries and geopolitical aspirations; and then focused on building Russia.
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Posted: 2/28/2022 2:25:43 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: China has literally ten times the number of live births per year as Russia. China and Russia have almost identical fertility rates, but China has a lot more population so can last longer. Now do apples to apples and look at the Chinese demographics. Having more people than the nobody of the world doesn't mean anything when your people don't know how to have kids anymore and you are the fastest aging population in the world. That is assuming the multiple daily miracles necessary for the CCP to not fracture from a dozen other reasons in the meantime. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 2:26:49 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is a third world country with first world armed forces. [citation needed] |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:46:20 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nukes are the wild card and pushing Russia into a corner will lead to a few getting loose somewhere. I just hope it’s Washington, DC. You're clearly a 'glass is half full' kinda guy!
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:48:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would end up under martial law that would never end. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So you would want an American city wiped off the map to bring about political change? The effects wouldn't be what you're hoping for...not very bright. Clutch the pearls harder, doesn’t change the opinion. Russia wiping DC off the map would be the catalyst to exact change and at least get rid of a large portion of the federal rot and decay afflicting the USA. Horrible to see the collateral, but think of all the lobbyists, pedophiles, lawyers, politicians, bureaucrats, etc gone. Then the physical heads of all the federal bureaucracy itself. Net positive by a long shot lol You would end up under martial law that would never end. So you're expecting no change? 
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Posted: 3/1/2022 6:48:30 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nukes are the wild card and pushing Russia into a corner will lead to a few getting loose somewhere. I just hope it’s Washington, DC. I hope not, as I am 90 miles downwind of the DC shithole.  |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 8:57:48 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is exactly what I've been thinking about today. China is now in the luxurious position of continuing to back Russia, if the RuAF unfuck themselves and win. Russia will be a defacto vassal state, beholden to China's benevolent resource purchases. Or, if Russia loses without using nukes, China can backstab Russia and take all of the disputed territories and then some. All in the name of global great justice. China won't need to do a forced invasion, Russia is playing right into their hands. Russia will start using the Chinese version of SWIFT, Russian companies are now going to have little choice but to do business with Chinese companies, etc, etc. This is all playing to China's favor. I'm never a conspiracy theory, World cabal kind of guy, but everything going on around the World for the last two decades had been to China's benefit. Current events, COVID, green initiative, Invasion of Iraq (oil contracts), AFG (mineral contracts, potential pipeline and rail to Iran.) Either Western leaders are stupid (probable), short sighted (definite), etc. This touchy feely, bad business sense behavior has put us in a position that we are unlikely to get out of without leadership that makes Trump look like a very nice guy. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 12:12:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope not, as I am 90 miles downwind of the DC shithole. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nukes are the wild card and pushing Russia into a corner will lead to a few getting loose somewhere. I just hope it’s Washington, DC. I hope not, as I am 90 miles downwind of the DC shithole. I'm much closer than that but still hoping for a spectacular show!
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Posted: 3/10/2022 11:25:33 AM EST
[#38]
Just follow Patton's advise.
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Posted: 3/10/2022 11:27:02 AM EST
[#39]
I’m more worried about the pitifully weak on every issue, but equally tyrannical gov that exists in the country we live in
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Posted: 3/10/2022 11:44:51 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: New York New Jersey Commifornia Coast Portland Seattle Boston Baltimore Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nukes are the wild card and pushing Russia into a corner will lead to a few getting loose somewhere. I just hope it’s Washington, DC. New York New Jersey Commifornia Coast Portland Seattle Boston Baltimore Would it be possible to add Orlando,Fl and Beaumont, TX to that list ???? |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 12:41:40 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [citation needed] Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia is a third world country with first world armed forces. [citation needed] 
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Posted: 3/19/2022 6:36:18 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First off, I’m shocked by the decay of the Russian military; at first I thought they sent in the C team, but now it just looks like they’re that bad. Are all their conventional forces that bad? This sure has the appearances of a systematic problem. Three scenarios to ponder: 1. Russia leaves Ukraine with its tail between its legs, Russia is exposed & Putin is shown as impotent. Russia ceases to be Russia on the world stage. 2. Russia gets pissed at all the military aide being given to Ukraine and lashes out somehow at its neighbors. Does the rest of the Russian army suck this bad & why is there reason to believe things would go any differently? 3. Russia escalates with nato and demands guarantees that border states will not be allowed to join. Nato won’t do that now, so where do we go from there? I don’t know what will happen, but if I was writing a red storm rising type book, this wouldn’t be a bad scenario for the opening chapters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/44277/3C900AD7-2AC9-47FA-B41A-D304759F1CFA_jpe-2296050.JPG Does Russia view the total collapse of their economy & true global isolation as an existential threat? I have that feeling from War Games where the general says "I'm going to tell the president we may have to go through with this thing after all"  WarGames (7/11) Movie CLIP - DEFCON 1 (1983) HD Maybe not, but this is pushing us to a potential we haven't been near in a long time |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 11:40:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are building their own carrier. Quote HistoryQuoted: They are building their own carrier. Yes. Now riddle me this - the United States has a CENTURY of not only building carriers, but also evolving the infrastructure, doctrine, air wings, etc. to make them useful power projection and fighting tools. How long has China been at that? How long does it take to develop a carrier air wing with experienced commanders? At various times, the Netherlands, Argentina, and Canada have had carriers - were they a threat? They are working at a blinding speed to steal, reverse engineer, and acquire tech for their deficiencies. With little demonstrated ability to succeed at it - see: armor, fighter aircraft, fighter aircraft engines, AWACS, etc. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:35:20 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First off, I'm shocked by the decay of the Russian military; at first I thought they sent in the C team, but now it just looks like they're that bad. Are all their conventional forces that bad? This sure has the appearances of a systematic problem. Three scenarios to ponder: 1. Russia leaves Ukraine with its tail between its legs, Russia is exposed & Putin is shown as impotent. Russia ceases to be Russia on the world stage. 2. Russia gets pissed at all the military aide being given to Ukraine and lashes out somehow at its neighbors. Does the rest of the Russian army suck this bad & why is there reason to believe things would go any differently? 3. Russia escalates with nato and demands guarantees that border states will not be allowed to join. Nato won't do that now, so where do we go from there? I don't know what will happen, but if I was writing a red storm rising type book, this wouldn't be a bad scenario for the opening chapters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/44277/3C900AD7-2AC9-47FA-B41A-D304759F1CFA_jpe-2296050.JPG Does Russia view the total collapse of their economy & true global isolation as an existential threat? Russia continues to get bogged down with their assault. The West quietly brokers a deal that ends hostilities: Ukraine is carved up. Russia keeps the buffer land they say they need for security. Ukraine must agree to stay out of NATO. This allows Putin to declare victory and save face politically- he can say that was the reason they invaded in the first place. Ukraine gets peace, at least for a few years, and the West pours more support into the country. The deal sucks for Zelensky/Ukraine, but they don't really have many options. Zelenskyy is popular right now and must sell the idea to his countrymen. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:39:11 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why the US policy towards Russia is so insane. It won’t be Poland or any western country. It will be China deciding they need all those resources in the sparsely populated siberia. Imagine a China with those resources. But our policies have been pushing Russia towards China for decades. Maybe it’s not insane at all. We already know the Biden Administration is ruled by China. 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 11:32:11 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m more worried about the pitifully weak on every issue, but equally tyrannical gov that exists in the country we live in Aren't we all. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 11:41:19 PM EST
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Remember how WW1 fucked up Germany.
Remember how Hitler came to power. Russia has a LONG history of producing strong men. Same shit now with nukes, Our leaders REALLY fucked this up. And our children will most likely get to fight in the glowing radioactive ruins. |
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