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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:22:37 AM EDT
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Lol
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:25:36 AM EDT
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.300blk and he done with it
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:26:48 AM EDT
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God they're doing it again? Seems like they decide to do this a couple times a week these days.
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:28:58 AM EDT
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.300blk and he done with it |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:30:03 AM EDT
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We know.
Dupe. Never gonna happen. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:30:23 AM EDT
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Then why the hell did we spend all that money on M855A1?!
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:30:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the range on one of those, 50 yards? Why not just switch to 7.62x39? |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:34:12 AM EDT
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Anybody remember Boston's Gun Bible from way back when he came up with some intermediate caliber. Wonder if that guy was just ahead of the curve.
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:36:05 AM EDT
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What's the range on one of those, 50 yards? Why not just switch to 7.62x39? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Why not just switch to 7.62x39? |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:38:37 AM EDT
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Wouldn't 6.5 Grendel make more sense? Retain the smaller magwell size and weight with far superior ballistic performance and longer range capability than 5.56.
I cant imagine using a 6.5 Creedmoor carbine to do room clearing, how fucking loud would that be jesus christ. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:40:04 AM EDT
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What is wrong with the 5.56?
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:41:24 AM EDT
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.308 bullpup...
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:43:38 AM EDT
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What's the range on one of those, 50 yards? Why not just switch to 7.62x39? And with the .300blk, you can use the standard m16 bcg and magazines at full capacity |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:45:59 AM EDT
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Wouldn't 6.5 Grendel make more sense? Retain the smaller magwell size and weight with far superior ballistic performance and longer range capability than 5.56. I cant imagine using a 6.5 Creedmoor carbine to do room clearing, how fucking loud would that be jesus christ. But but but .30 Cal is derived from 3 lines which is derived from the measurements of the Ark of the Covenant so we can't change. REEEEEEEEEEE |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:50:03 AM EDT
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I can shoot mine out to 300 yards. And with the .300blk, you can use the standard m16 bcg and magazines at full capacity |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:50:25 AM EDT
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.300blk and he done with it .260 for the DMR, keep 5.56 for the M4 for now - for the mild full auto recoil. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:51:56 AM EDT
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What's the range on one of those, 50 yards? Why not just switch to 7.62x39? |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:58:51 AM EDT
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556 isnt exactly in my top 5 favorite calibers but its not like the shit doesn't work. Why change all the platforms, training, manufacturing... the logistics of a full spectrum change are just mind blowing. The next shooting war aint going to be on the ground, mop up may be, and 556 works fine for what we need it to when layered with teams and other support.
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:59:52 AM EDT
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Well, this will certainly fix the Army's deficient deep shaping capability.
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:00:27 PM EDT
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What is wrong with the 5.56? |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:02:19 PM EDT
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556 isnt exactly in my top 5 favorite calibers but its not like the shit doesn't work. Why change all the platforms, training, manufacturing... the logistics of a full spectrum change are just mind blowing. The next shooting war aint going to be on the ground, mop up may be, and 556 works fine for what we need it to when layered with teams and other support. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:04:57 PM EDT
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We know. Dupe. Never gonna happen. Even though there are 87 fucking threads on this already and all fucking OP needs to do as a fucking paying team member is use the fucking search function and entering fucking ARMY fucking RIFLE. Fuck! 
ETA: It would be nice if the .mil finally adopted a flatter, harder hitting round. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:05:12 PM EDT
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556 isnt exactly in my top 5 favorite calibers but its not like the shit doesn't work. Why change all the platforms, training, manufacturing... |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:11:14 PM EDT
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No link, no dupe. Even though there are 87 fucking threads on this already and all fucking OP needs to do as a fucking paying team member is use the fucking search function and entering fucking ARMY fucking RIFLE. Fuck!
ETA: It would be nice if the .mil finally adopted a flatter, harder hitting round. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:15:06 PM EDT
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.300blk and he done with it |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:15:31 PM EDT
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6.5G for most
6.5C for mid range snipers |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:16:15 PM EDT
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joglee thread
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:27:22 PM EDT
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They going with the HK CAWS?
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:28:34 PM EDT
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6.5G for most 6.5C for mid range snipers OH but the grendel's case doesn't have a visible taper to it so it will just jam all the time. 
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:29:02 PM EDT
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Joglee is that you?
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:29:03 PM EDT
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.264USA?
Off to google.. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:30:38 PM EDT
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I've been checkin out the277 WOLVERINE. Only thing that needs changed is the barrel. Even uses the 556 cases. Tosses a 100 gr. bullet at around 2600fps. Was gonna get one for our deer season, but the game commission bitched up and didn't legalize semis here. Bastards!
 277 Wolverine
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:36:43 PM EDT
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6.8 SPC for infantry
6.5 Creedmoor for machine guns and longer range role weapons. However, I wonder what the barrel life of a 6.5 Creedmoor would be in a machine gun. That might work so well. 7mm Creedmoor or 7mm08 might be pretty damn interesting as well. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:38:41 PM EDT
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We know. Dupe. Never gonna happen. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:39:05 PM EDT
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I can shoot mine out to 300 yards. And with the .300blk, you can use the standard m16 bcg and magazines at full capacity Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the range on one of those, 50 yards? Why not just switch to 7.62x39? And with the .300blk, you can use the standard m16 bcg and magazines at full capacity 
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:43:30 PM EDT
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Spending money on designing a new rifle/caliber before they even know what the future's requirements will be sounds a little wasteful.
Maybe though, whatever they pick will become cheaper for us civies.
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:45:19 PM EDT
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.300blk and he done with it |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:46:24 PM EDT
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Most important missing paragraph from the article that should have been included in the OP:
“There is a long-running debate, going back almost 100 years now, about the optimal, optimum small arm,” said retired Maj. Gen. Robert Scales, author of the 2016 book “Scales on War: The Future of America’s Military at Risk.”
If successful, the new rifle and round combination would give troops a weapon they can carry with about the same number of rounds as the current 5.56 mm but with greater range and accuracy in their firepower — with little change in weight. The new rifle would likely replace the M16/M4 platform, which has been in the hands of troops since the 1960s and undergone multiple modifications and upgrades. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:48:24 PM EDT
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.300blk and he done with it It isn't even as powerful as the 7.62X39?? Ballistics of a rock compared to other cartridges that will fit in an AR. I built one only because I shoot it suppressed subsonic. It's cool for that, but not as the main cartridge for our military. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:48:57 PM EDT
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DMR, maybe. Those 6.5 cartridges burn out barrels fast.
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:49:51 PM EDT
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.300blk and he done with it Are you guys trolling, or seriously retarded? Because 300BLK for an individual service rifle cartridge is pure retardation. You just cut your hit probability from 5.56 NATO way down, while reducing barrier penetration and armor defeat capability substantially. You also cut your effective range down. Why anyone would openly advocate for 300BLK for general issue is beyond me. It's a special application cartridge with a very limited role suppressed, to allow some of the same capabilities of the MP5SD for certain units, not a general issue infantry rifle cartridge. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:50:42 PM EDT
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DMR, maybe. Those 6.5 cartridges burn out barrels fast. 6.5 Grendel has more barrel life than .308 Winchester. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:51:56 PM EDT
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.300blk and he done with it Can a brotha get some dang surplus 300blk already. :) |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:53:16 PM EDT
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Jobs program for a few officers and senior NCOs.
Nothing will come if it. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:54:22 PM EDT
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Which 6.5 cartridges burn out barrel fast? 6.5 Grendel has more barrel life than .308 Winchester. What about 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Rem vs 308 barrel life? |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:55:29 PM EDT
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Yeah, because the US is going to suddenly ignore NATO standards.
To my knowledge, the only NATO-standard calibers are 9mm, 5.56mm (.223 Remington), 7.62mm (.308 Winchester), 12.7mm (.50 BMG), and 25mm. I just don't see us issuing infantry weapons large-scale without pushing it through NATO. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 1:04:25 PM EDT
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DMR, maybe. Those 6.5 cartridges burn out barrels fast. (I may not be precise on the velocity but I'm not far off) |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 1:04:30 PM EDT
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I've always wondered how much this "ammo problem" is really just a lack of marksmanship training problem
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Posted: 5/10/2017 1:06:13 PM EDT
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What's the range on one of those, 50 yards? Why not just switch to 7.62x39? And with the .300blk, you can use the standard m16 bcg and magazines at full capacity The MPBR is dependent on bullet and powder selection. 300 yard hits are easy as pie with a 125gr OTBT bullet. As to the rest, it is common knowledge that the BCG and Magazines ar identical between 5.56mm and .300 blk. As a matter of fact, a simple barrel and gas tube swap is all that is generally required to change calibers between the two. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 1:11:21 PM EDT
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10 more changes in uniforms will happen first |
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