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Posted: 8/5/2013 8:28:54 AM EST
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I find this letter totaly legit
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Posted: 8/5/2013 8:29:40 AM EST
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Oorahh 0352 here! OFP for life.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 8:33:51 AM EST
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Wears Lance corporal of marines shirt.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 8:41:16 AM EST
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You are only reinforcing my point that "Islam" is not the driving variable here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You are only reinforcing my point that "Islam" is not the driving variable here. I think that its one among many, only because the Pakis and Arabs viewed the battle in Afghanistan in those greater terms (because of their own national narratives) and the Pakis and Arabs chose their local champions on Islamic grounds. When you start with an assumption that "Islam" is the problem, and then try to do away with a cultural and religous identity that is rooted that deeply and associated with all that is good, holy, and righteos among a population, you don't get very far. The Soviets started that way, repeating the disastrous experiences of teh Russian Empire. They then got smart, quick. Before long, it was Jihad vs. Jihad and the Soviets presented themselves as defenders of true Islam in propaganda. Was it genuine? Hell no. Was it often brutal? Hell yes. I'd fundamentally agree. More than the "graveyard of Empires" meme, which is taken as an article of faith more completely than Transubstaniation among Catholics, Afghanistan is the football field where regional and international powers play. I think that's the central theory of Barnett's work on Afghanistan. Afghanistan is the distilled reflection of the international community and how it operates, viciously and dysfunctionally. Was it effective? I would trust the home grown vetting processes, internal security controls, and reliability of the Uzbek security forces over anything we half-ass have done in Afghanistan - and I rarely met one that was not a proud, self identified Muslim. I think we consistently fail to understand what being Iraqi, Afghan or fill-in-the-blank-here means to people from these places, because the vast majority of people within the .gov/.mil just don't have any analog to concepts like clan, family, ethnicity in places where that identity is the only reason for being, because its the only thing that keeps you alive. Divide and conquer is an old adage for a reason. It works. You don't divide a culture by attacking the only identity label they all share in common.
Not without a significant investment in time, resources and treasure. Much easier to do it the smart way via co-option of elites, and other mechanisms. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 8:44:14 AM EST
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I thought 9/11 was the wake up call. ended up just being the nap that got us into this mess. The Generals and other officers tell the president and congress what needs to be done but the manhood ends at that. I believe a nuke in a major US city by the extremists would be the only thing loud enough to wake the American people up, a slap in the face i.e 9/11 didn't !!!  The American civilian population is self loathing and does not have the stomach to grasp victory. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 8:44:31 AM EST
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Afghan 'security' forces are total shit. This last deployment I was lucky not to ended up with a bullet in the back of my head from one of them fuckers. Those motherfuckers hate our guts, all of them.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 8:47:43 AM EST
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The American civilian population is self loathing and does not have the stomach to grasp victory. Not when half of the political class believes that America is what is wrong in the international community. To paraphrase H.L. Menken "American Isolationism is the theory that the world knows it wants America out of its affairs, and then the world will get what it deserves, good and hard." |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:16:40 AM EST
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Its September 30th, 2001. What does President BamaShooter do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This war has been an absolute waste of American lives. <---has been saying it since we went in that it was a mistake. Its September 30th, 2001. What does President BamaShooter do? SF/CIA and B52's. Then pull out. We've been there 12 years, three months after we leave it goes back to the way it was. We are not going to fix that place. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:18:30 AM EST
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Afghan 'security' forces are total shit. This last deployment I was lucky not to ended up with a bullet in the back of my head from one of them fuckers. Those motherfuckers hate our guts, all of them. There was some study done a few years back that iirc 90% of the male population has no idea why we are there. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:19:08 AM EST
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SF/CIA and B52's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This war has been an absolute waste of American lives. <---has been saying it since we went in that it was a mistake. Its September 30th, 2001. What does President BamaShooter do? SF/CIA and B52's. To what end? |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:20:06 AM EST
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SF/CIA and B52's. Then pull out. We've been there 12 years, three months after we leave it goes back to the way it was. We are not going to fix that place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This war has been an absolute waste of American lives. <---has been saying it since we went in that it was a mistake. Its September 30th, 2001. What does President BamaShooter do? SF/CIA and B52's. Then pull out. We've been there 12 years, three months after we leave it goes back to the way it was. We are not going to fix that place. Our goal was never, and isn't to fix Afghanistan. Making a place much more difficult to stage global terror attacks and "fixing" it are two different things. Under the Bama plan, the Taliban retrogrades into Pakistan, and returns in two years...which is what happened when we indeed when SOF heavy from 2001-2004. The Biden strategy is what you're describing, except replace "B-52s" with "Predators." |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:20:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was some study done a few years back that iirc 90% of the male population has no idea why we are there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Afghan 'security' forces are total shit. This last deployment I was lucky not to ended up with a bullet in the back of my head from one of them fuckers. Those motherfuckers hate our guts, all of them. There was some study done a few years back that iirc 90% of the male population has no idea why we are there. No shit. I was in a patrol somewhere in Ghazni, and according to the locals, we were the first Americans they ever saw.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:25:26 AM EST
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Our goal was never, and isn't to fix Afghanistan. Making a place much more difficult to stage global terror attacks and "fixing" it are two different things. Under the Bama plan, the Taliban retrogrades into Pakistan, and returns in two years...which is what happened when we indeed when SOF heavy from 2001-2004. The Biden strategy is what you're describing, except replace "B-52s" with "Predators." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SF/CIA and B52's. Then pull out. We've been there 12 years, three months after we leave it goes back to the way it was. We are not going to fix that place. Our goal was never, and isn't to fix Afghanistan. Making a place much more difficult to stage global terror attacks and "fixing" it are two different things. Under the Bama plan, the Taliban retrogrades into Pakistan, and returns in two years...which is what happened when we indeed when SOF heavy from 2001-2004. The Biden strategy is what you're describing, except replace "B-52s" with "Predators." Couldn't that be done by bombing the terrorist camps with B52's? It's not like we did not know where they were at and what they were doing. I must be confused because I'm pretty sure that is what they have been doing all along. Come to Afgan to fignt for a bit flow back into Paki for some R&R, rearm and then come back and fight some more. You are giving it two years? That place will be back in Taliban control in three months or less.You can bet your ass anyone in the Afgan .govt that could line their pockets has done so, the French/Swiss accounts are ready and their exit plan is in place. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:27:00 AM EST
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More proof 0bama is a secret Muslim, but our ignorant ass countrymen could care less.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:44:58 AM EST
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Can you recite the whole thing in a say latin from memory? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They may not be able to read it, as a vast majority of Muslims cannot. However many can recite it from memory in classic Arabic, although even most Arabs cannot understand classic Arabic. I can quote the bible...........  Can you recite the whole thing in a say latin from memory? + If I could.....would that make me a Christian? |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:47:48 AM EST
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Couldn't that be done by bombing the terrorist camps with B52's? It's not like we did not know where they were at and what they were doing. I must be confused because I'm pretty sure that is what they have been doing all along. Come to Afgan to fignt for a bit flow back into Paki for some R&R, rearm and then come back and fight some more. You are giving it two years? That place will be back in Taliban control in three months or less.You can bet your ass anyone in the Afgan .govt that could line their pockets has done so, the French/Swiss accounts are ready and their exit plan is in place. What are we going to bomb? We Tomahawk'ed the "terrorist training camps" in 1998, to negligable effect. There is no Taliban infrastructure to bomb, nuke, napalm or strafe to any effect. The station marked "Effects Based Operations" was 100 miles ago. We cannot bomb our way to any victory in the area. You're going to kill the guys that the SF teams can get into contact with, but you're talking several hundred guys spread out over terrain the size and relief of Wyoming. Its whack a mole, and you're going to end up controlling historical NA territory, and not much else. That's if you're lucky, and mobilize more support to the Taliban than already exists among the Pashtuns. So, the only thing we can do slowly get the Pakistanis to close their side of the border. Frankly, they weren't going to do it until they felt existentially threatened, and that occured in 2008. Once Swat showed what the Taliban in Pakistan was about, the Paks got moving against them. Of course, that was the time we had a change in leadership, and that change had "withdrawal" written all over it. There is no doubt we made mistakes in Afghanistan, but we chose the operational level model we did for the reasons that it was the only one that would create any exploitable conditions, versus having a bunch of a SF guys rolling around in Gators. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:02:48 AM EST
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+ If I could.....would that make me a Christian? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They may not be able to read it, as a vast majority of Muslims cannot. However many can recite it from memory in classic Arabic, although even most Arabs cannot understand classic Arabic. I can quote the bible........... Can you recite the whole thing in a say latin from memory? + If I could.....would that make me a Christian? If you believed it was the unerring word of god as recited to his one and only prophet and than lived accordingly than yes. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:19:01 AM EST
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This war has been an absolute waste of American lives. <---has been saying it since we went in that it was a mistake. Its September 30th, 2001. What does President BamaShooter do? SF/CIA and B52's. To what end? I agree with him. Give military commanders 90 days to destroy any and all military or government infrastructure, then leave. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:32:53 AM EST
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I agree with him. Give military commanders 90 days to destroy any and all military or government infrastructure, then leave. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This war has been an absolute waste of American lives. <---has been saying it since we went in that it was a mistake. Its September 30th, 2001. What does President BamaShooter do? SF/CIA and B52's. To what end? I agree with him. Give military commanders 90 days to destroy any and all military or government infrastructure, then leave. I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with him. The question still remains...do all this stuff for X days. To what end? Screechjet1 hit most of the high points with bomb and run campaigns. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:48:09 AM EST
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I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with him. The question still remains...do all this stuff for X days. To what end? Screechjet1 hit most of the high points with bomb and run campaigns. Oh, sorry. I meant as a punishment, |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 12:48:19 PM EST
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Semper Fi Marine!
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Posted: 8/5/2013 1:09:36 PM EST
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This post is simultaneously vindicating and heartbreaking. If anyone knows the true face of our enemies it is the one's who are personally fighting them, yet their voices are either shouted down or ignored by those whose agenda isn't advanced by the truth. OP, you and so many others in your position will continue to be in my thoughts and prayers. You have not failed in your duty. It is your leadership at the highest levels that have failed. You have my deepest respect.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 1:13:19 PM EST
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No shit. I was in a patrol somewhere in Ghazni, and according to the locals, we were the first Americans they ever saw. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Afghan 'security' forces are total shit. This last deployment I was lucky not to ended up with a bullet in the back of my head from one of them fuckers. Those motherfuckers hate our guts, all of them. There was some study done a few years back that iirc 90% of the male population has no idea why we are there. No shit. I was in a patrol somewhere in Ghazni, and according to the locals, we were the first Americans they ever saw. Where and when? W heard the same exact thing about quite a few places we went in Ghazni in 2010. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 1:18:02 PM EST
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What has happened? People are picking sides. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What has happened on ARFCOM? Seriously, 5 or 7 years ago this Marine (if he is one, anonymous and all) would have been shredded here, made out to e a traitor? What has happened? People are picking sides. Bingo. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 1:19:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where and when? W heard the same exact thing about quite a few places we went in Ghazni in 2010. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Afghan 'security' forces are total shit. This last deployment I was lucky not to ended up with a bullet in the back of my head from one of them fuckers. Those motherfuckers hate our guts, all of them. There was some study done a few years back that iirc 90% of the male population has no idea why we are there. No shit. I was in a patrol somewhere in Ghazni, and according to the locals, we were the first Americans they ever saw. Where and when? W heard the same exact thing about quite a few places we went in Ghazni in 2010. Where? I have to check, I think it was about 30 minutes flight south from FOB Aryan (night air assault). When? Last year around May.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 1:21:07 PM EST
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OP thanks for your service, I am truly grateful for men and women like you who unselfishly serve. I too am fearful of what has to happen for this country to turn around. When our own gov. is persecuting Christians and repressing our constitutional rights something is very wrong. The media and the BHO admin. always go out of their way to accommodate muslims at the expense of Christians.
There will come a day when it will turn ugly and I fear that day will be sooner than a lot of people are willing to admit. Look what happened with GZ and the race mongers. We are nearing a tipping point of no return and I fear for the future my children will inherit. May God bless America again. We sure need it now. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 1:22:49 PM EST
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Bonjour! The Pershing reference made it for me, though. Secret Christian is what did it for me. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 1:36:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where and when? W heard the same exact thing about quite a few places we went in Ghazni in 2010. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Afghan 'security' forces are total shit. This last deployment I was lucky not to ended up with a bullet in the back of my head from one of them fuckers. Those motherfuckers hate our guts, all of them. There was some study done a few years back that iirc 90% of the male population has no idea why we are there. No shit. I was in a patrol somewhere in Ghazni, and according to the locals, we were the first Americans they ever saw. Where and when? W heard the same exact thing about quite a few places we went in Ghazni in 2010. Giro district, May 7, 2013. I found the video, let me see if I can embed it. I can't for some reason, here's the link |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 1:55:50 PM EST
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Where? I have to check, I think it was about 30 minutes flight south from FOB Aryan (night air assault). When? Last year around May. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Afghan 'security' forces are total shit. This last deployment I was lucky not to ended up with a bullet in the back of my head from one of them fuckers. Those motherfuckers hate our guts, all of them. There was some study done a few years back that iirc 90% of the male population has no idea why we are there. No shit. I was in a patrol somewhere in Ghazni, and according to the locals, we were the first Americans they ever saw. Where and when? W heard the same exact thing about quite a few places we went in Ghazni in 2010. Where? I have to check, I think it was about 30 minutes flight south from FOB Aryan (night air assault). When? Last year around May. Ah, that makes sense. Prior to mid 2010, besides the PRT and ADT, the only unit stationed in Afghanistan was a RSTA CAV troop, our troop was reinforcd by my unit, a platoon of MPs from the BSTB. Four platoons, one of which lived at the COP by the damn at Bande Sarde, that left effectively three maneuver platoons, not much for an entire province. We were pulled out in May 2010 leaving no maneuver units, just the Polish PRT and the ADT, a brigade from the 101st came in around July or August I think. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 1:59:22 PM EST
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I agree with him. Give military commanders 90 days to destroy any and all military or government infrastructure, then leave. There was nothing to bomb. Other than TICs, there isn't anything to bomb, now. Nothing that would make anyone give up. Warden's Five Rings of Doom doesn't mean shit to people, here. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 2:21:32 PM EST
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Holy hell. An anonymous post to a blog that pretty much says what everyone has known about Afghanistan since _Seven Pillars of Wisdom_ was written by TE Lawrence. I need to get to the fainting couch! LOL so true |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 2:26:10 PM EST
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Can some of you guys who are well versed and experienced recommend some material for someone who is interested in learning more about Afghanistan and how we ended up where we are today? I'd rather not waste time trying to separate bullshit from fact, and honestly until you gain a certain level of understanding i don't believe that one can separate when the subject is this complex.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 2:33:34 PM EST
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This post is simultaneously vindicating and heartbreaking. If anyone knows the true face of our enemies it is the one's who are personally fighting them, yet their voices are either shouted down or ignored by those whose agenda isn't advanced by the truth. OP, you and so many others in your position will continue to be in my thoughts and prayers. You have not failed in your duty. It is your leadership at the highest levels that have failed. You have my deepest respect. Your saying this about some 19 yearold college student pretending to be a Marine Captain ......... 
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Posted: 8/5/2013 2:35:20 PM EST
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Couldn't that be done by bombing the terrorist camps with B52's? It's not like we did not know where they were at and what they were doing. I must be confused because I'm pretty sure that is what they have been doing all along. Come to Afgan to fignt for a bit flow back into Paki for some R&R, rearm and then come back and fight some more. You are giving it two years? That place will be back in Taliban control in three months or less.You can bet your ass anyone in the Afgan .govt that could line their pockets has done so, the French/Swiss accounts are ready and their exit plan is in place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SF/CIA and B52's. Then pull out. We've been there 12 years, three months after we leave it goes back to the way it was. We are not going to fix that place. Our goal was never, and isn't to fix Afghanistan. Making a place much more difficult to stage global terror attacks and "fixing" it are two different things. Under the Bama plan, the Taliban retrogrades into Pakistan, and returns in two years...which is what happened when we indeed when SOF heavy from 2001-2004. The Biden strategy is what you're describing, except replace "B-52s" with "Predators." Couldn't that be done by bombing the terrorist camps with B52's? It's not like we did not know where they were at and what they were doing. I must be confused because I'm pretty sure that is what they have been doing all along. Come to Afgan to fignt for a bit flow back into Paki for some R&R, rearm and then come back and fight some more. You are giving it two years? That place will be back in Taliban control in three months or less.You can bet your ass anyone in the Afgan .govt that could line their pockets has done so, the French/Swiss accounts are ready and their exit plan is in place. You can't bomb an enemy into defeat...... |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 2:41:30 PM EST
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This post is simultaneously vindicating and heartbreaking. If anyone knows the true face of our enemies it is the one's who are personally fighting them, yet their voices are either shouted down or ignored by those whose agenda isn't advanced by the truth. OP, you and so many others in your position will continue to be in my thoughts and prayers. You have not failed in your duty. It is your leadership at the highest levels that have failed. You have my deepest respect. Did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 3:11:31 PM EST
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You can't bomb an enemy into defeat...... Don't confuse ability with will, the US does have the ability to bomb just about any into defeat even if that means total elimination of the population. What the US lacks is the will do that. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:04:48 PM EST
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http://youtu.be/Ja5Q75hf6QI. This is What Winning Looks Like. Is that worth wasting 90 minutes on? |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:24:36 PM EST
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"even if the documents are false, that the underlying story is true" ( to quote Dan Rather on the GWB Killian document story )
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:26:57 PM EST
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As a military officer I agree with my fellow soldier. I hope the time to free America comes soon. oh?  As Secretary General of the United Nations I find your reply disheartening. Aye Sir, but as Supreme Allied commander of NATO, leader of the Mongol horde, and ruler of the north........ I must protest..... As King of Canada, I too dost lodge my demarche! I'm the President of the Navy, so SUCK ITTTT!! |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:29:17 PM EST
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As a military officer I agree with my fellow soldier. I hope the time to free America comes soon. Really??? What's your MOS? http://offload.goarmy.com/soldier-life/becoming-a-soldier/advanced-individual-training/quartermaster/jcr:content/contentpar/header.png The Kid whispers to the female Captain "And then he puts it where I poop..." is it wrong that laughed at this? I'd do it again, too.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:29:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that worth wasting 90 minutes on? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://youtu.be/Ja5Q75hf6QI. This is What Winning Looks Like. Is that worth wasting 90 minutes on? That documentary is pretty accurate. The Afghan security forces are utter shit IMO
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:32:41 PM EST
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Did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This post is simultaneously vindicating and heartbreaking. If anyone knows the true face of our enemies it is the one's who are personally fighting them, yet their voices are either shouted down or ignored by those whose agenda isn't advanced by the truth. OP, you and so many others in your position will continue to be in my thoughts and prayers. You have not failed in your duty. It is your leadership at the highest levels that have failed. You have my deepest respect. Did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? I totally believe you. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:38:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:43:08 PM EST
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Fo time coming Sooner than later I hope so. I'd like to get it over with while I'm still young enough to make a difference. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:44:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This post is simultaneously vindicating and heartbreaking. If anyone knows the true face of our enemies it is the one's who are personally fighting them, yet their voices are either shouted down or ignored by those whose agenda isn't advanced by the truth. OP, you and so many others in your position will continue to be in my thoughts and prayers. You have not failed in your duty. It is your leadership at the highest levels that have failed. You have my deepest respect. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:45:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP thanks for your service, I am truly grateful for men and women like you who unselfishly serve. I too am fearful of what has to happen for this country to turn around. When our own gov. is persecuting Christians and repressing our constitutional rights something is very wrong. The media and the BHO admin. always go out of their way to accommodate muslims at the expense of Christians. There will come a day when it will turn ugly and I fear that day will be sooner than a lot of people are willing to admit. Look what happened with GZ and the race mongers. We are nearing a tipping point of no return and I fear for the future my children will inherit. May God bless America again. We sure need it now. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 5:47:43 PM EST
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Posted: 8/5/2013 6:26:54 PM EST
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OP thanks for your service, I am truly grateful for men and women like you who unselfishly serve. I too am fearful of what has to happen for this country to turn around. When our own gov. is persecuting Christians and repressing our constitutional rights something is very wrong. The media and the BHO admin. always go out of their way to accommodate muslims at the expense of Christians. There will come a day when it will turn ugly and I fear that day will be sooner than a lot of people are willing to admit. Look what happened with GZ and the race mongers. We are nearing a tipping point of no return and I fear for the future my children will inherit. May God bless America again. We sure need it now. I applaud your efforts, good sir, to inform the reading comprehension-impaired of the error of their ways, but I fear it is in vain.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 6:47:26 PM EST
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What are we going to bomb? We Tomahawk'ed the "terrorist training camps" in 1998, to negligable effect. There is no Taliban infrastructure to bomb, nuke, napalm or strafe to any effect. The station marked "Effects Based Operations" was 100 miles ago. We cannot bomb our way to any victory in the area. You're going to kill the guys that the SF teams can get into contact with, but you're talking several hundred guys spread out over terrain the size and relief of Wyoming. Its whack a mole, and you're going to end up controlling historical NA territory, and not much else. That's if you're lucky, and mobilize more support to the Taliban than already exists among the Pashtuns. So, the only thing we can do slowly get the Pakistanis to close their side of the border. Frankly, they weren't going to do it until they felt existentially threatened, and that occured in 2008. Once Swat showed what the Taliban in Pakistan was about, the Paks got moving against them. Of course, that was the time we had a change in leadership, and that change had "withdrawal" written all over it. There is no doubt we made mistakes in Afghanistan, but we chose the operational level model we did for the reasons that it was the only one that would create any exploitable conditions, versus having a bunch of a SF guys rolling around in Gators. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Couldn't that be done by bombing the terrorist camps with B52's? It's not like we did not know where they were at and what they were doing. I must be confused because I'm pretty sure that is what they have been doing all along. Come to Afgan to fignt for a bit flow back into Paki for some R&R, rearm and then come back and fight some more. You are giving it two years? That place will be back in Taliban control in three months or less.You can bet your ass anyone in the Afgan .govt that could line their pockets has done so, the French/Swiss accounts are ready and their exit plan is in place. What are we going to bomb? We Tomahawk'ed the "terrorist training camps" in 1998, to negligable effect. There is no Taliban infrastructure to bomb, nuke, napalm or strafe to any effect. The station marked "Effects Based Operations" was 100 miles ago. We cannot bomb our way to any victory in the area. You're going to kill the guys that the SF teams can get into contact with, but you're talking several hundred guys spread out over terrain the size and relief of Wyoming. Its whack a mole, and you're going to end up controlling historical NA territory, and not much else. That's if you're lucky, and mobilize more support to the Taliban than already exists among the Pashtuns. So, the only thing we can do slowly get the Pakistanis to close their side of the border. Frankly, they weren't going to do it until they felt existentially threatened, and that occured in 2008. Once Swat showed what the Taliban in Pakistan was about, the Paks got moving against them. Of course, that was the time we had a change in leadership, and that change had "withdrawal" written all over it. There is no doubt we made mistakes in Afghanistan, but we chose the operational level model we did for the reasons that it was the only one that would create any exploitable conditions, versus having a bunch of a SF guys rolling around in Gators. Yep, we warned the Pakis hours before the tomahawks and they called the Taliban who then emptied the camps. The Pakis are not our friends. We could stay there another 50 years and NOTHING will change except more dead Americans on their soil. There is no VICTORY only strike back revenge. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 6:50:06 PM EST
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You can't bomb an enemy into defeat...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Couldn't that be done by bombing the terrorist camps with B52's? It's not like we did not know where they were at and what they were doing. I must be confused because I'm pretty sure that is what they have been doing all along. Come to Afgan to fignt for a bit flow back into Paki for some R&R, rearm and then come back and fight some more. You are giving it two years? That place will be back in Taliban control in three months or less.You can bet your ass anyone in the Afgan .govt that could line their pockets has done so, the French/Swiss accounts are ready and their exit plan is in place. You can't bomb an enemy into defeat...... We are never going to defeat them like Germany or Japan, all you can hope for is to beat them down every now and then. |
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