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Nope. We were trying to get it, but it died in committee. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I thought MN had a castle doctrine? Also back in the day the some of the Somali population used to terrorise parts of EP and it's citizens. The police used to shake the hands of people who defended themselves. Wonder what happened.. We were trying to get it, but it died in committee. These people feel that the people defending the home are the criminals and the attackers are the victims. These people are insane. |
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Aggressor makes aggressive actions towards the defendant. Defendant pulls a weapon, and apparently displayed it long enough for the aggressor to see it and understand it as a warning. Aggressor does not back down, and continues being aggressive, then gets shot for his troubles.
I don't see any problem with this. If I'm on his jury, he goes home. |
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This will be made to be about race and the shooter stands no chance.
FWIW I wasn't there nor is there enough info for me to have an opinion about his guilt or not .... but he's white, the other guy isn't, so he's fucked either way |
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I know. Reminds me of the story from NYC (IIRC) where the girl and her boyfriend got mugged and then the girls says, "what are you gonna' do shoot me?" The answer was yes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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The only thing being reported on the news here is the "my friend dared him to shoot, so he did" story from the passenger of the shootee. MN law is pretty reluctant to give shooters the go ahead with our spectacularly overthought "duty to retreat" clause. Some instructors actually tell students "if someone is breaking into the front door of your house, you need to retreat out a back door or window". I'm guessing this guy didn't have one of those instructors. View Quote |
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I'm guessing that getting in his face didn't put him in reasonable fear of great bodily injury or death View Quote |
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Being MN the Muslim is probably Somali. Privileged minority. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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There is an ultra thin line where you shoot/don’t shoot. I wouldn’t shoot on a fucking dare. I’d go hands on first.
If the tables were turned, the keyboard warriors would be screaming for a conviction. |
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Shooter is fucked. The libtards will make sure of that
You can only get away with shooting other white people these days (actually only straight white males). |
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Quoted: You would go hands on with a guy that comes at you knowing that you have a gun? Walker Texas Ranger much? View Quote |
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Aggressor makes aggressive actions towards the defendant. Defendant pulls a weapon, and apparently displayed it long enough for the aggressor to see it and understand it as a warning. Aggressor does not back down, and continues being aggressive, then gets shot for his troubles. I don't see any problem with this. If I'm on his jury, he goes home. View Quote |
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Nope, sorry. You don't get to shoot someone for yelling at you and calling you a limp-dick (saying you don't have the balls to shoot).
Unless he was actually assaulted somewhere, he can contemplate the error of his ways in prison. |
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Yeah he's going to need a good lawyer. Both look young and fit. Had he been old and weak, then yeah it might be more reasonable to a jury to shoot. But yeah he shouldn't have pulled a gun and he shouldn't have shot based on verbal threats alone. Of course the dead guy sounds like a total asshole for getting into a strangers face. Messed with the wrong guy that day and ended up dead. But the shooter is probably going to see a bit of jail time most likely. Unless he gets a really good lawyer of course.
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What a cluster fuck. The shooters only chance of not staying in jail is if he can prove he was at a disadvantage (3 vs 1) AND that the situation escalated physically (actual violence, not posturing). Only then would someone of rational mind (not GD) assume he was at risk of great bodily harm because 1) the fight became physical with possible deadly consequences 2) it would've been reasonable to assume the deceased party's friends would have assisted in the fight, making it exponentially more dangerous for the shooter while limiting his ability to leave (cornered/trapped).
If the situation transpired as reported, where the deceased was only posturing and the shooter thought, "fuck it, I aints backin down from no ones", then bad shoot. Ego checks don't give you a pass on body bags. |
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What a cluster fuck. The shooters only chance of not staying in jail is if he can prove he was at a disadvantage (3 vs 1) AND that the situation escalated physically (actual violence, not posturing). Only then would someone of rational mind (not GD) assume he was at risk of great bodily harm because 1) the fight became physical with possible deadly consequences 2) it would've been reasonable to assume the deceased party's friends would have assisted in the fight, making it exponentially more dangerous for the shooter while limiting his ability to leave (cornered/trapped). If the situation transpired as reported, where the deceased was only posturing and the shooter thought, "fuck it, I aints backin down from no ones", then bad shoot. Ego checks don't give you a pass on body bags. View Quote If you point a gun at a guy in a confrontation and he doesn’t back down or run away couldn’t you argue that he was showing intent to attack? It’s not normal to stand face to face with a guy while he points a gun at you. |
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Quoted: Existing state statute states that persons do not have a duty to retreat before using deadly force to protect themselves or prevent a felony from being committed inside their residence.Feb 2, 2017 View Quote That is a separate statute you're copying part of out of Google's results though, not the carry laws. The carry laws say we have a duty to retreat and are (idiotically) taught the way I mentioned above by overzealous armchair lawyers disguised as NRA instructors. If someone is already in your home (not "on your property" like castle doctrine), and you have reason to believe they're trying to kill you, you can go ahead and shoot them, but only in order to stop the threat. Any extra holes in Tito the Heroine Dealer's side or back could indicate the threat was over, and you get to go to prison. |
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Quoted: You guys talk like taking a life is easy to do with no repercussions. Look at this Wiess guy, in jail and looking at a conviction. No one knows I have a gun until they dictate the situation and warrants me brandishing. I don’t draw on a guy for walking up on me. But yes, i’d go hands on first. I like not being in jail and not being sued for wrongful death. View Quote |
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After seeing the pictures.
Good shoot. Dont mess with the Weiss guy. |
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Shoot a man on a dare and go to prison. That's not unreasonable.
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You guys talk like taking a life is easy to do with no repercussions. Look at this Wiess guy, in jail and looking at a conviction. No one knows I have a gun until they dictate the situation and warrants me brandishing. I don’t draw on a guy for walking up on me. But yes, i’d go hands on first. I like not being in jail and not being sued for wrongful death. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: You would go hands on with a guy that comes at you knowing that you have a gun? Walker Texas Ranger much? In that situation, you would still go hands on? |
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