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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:08:19 PM EDT
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I respect my LDS friends and agree with the "their house - their rules" sentiment.
But, I have a real problem when a bunch of guys (Prophet and Apostles) who are protected by armed security tell me that I cannot be armed. Kind of sounds like the logic used by many politicians. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:09:50 PM EDT
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Please stay out of this thread ~ medicmandan
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:11:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mike Lee has really changed his tune. Once he was critical of Trump, but Lee is a pretty big supporter of Trump's policies now. Here is an interesting article where he espouses Trump's policies. Is Trump a Conservative? Mike Lee Thinks So |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:13:32 PM EDT
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Please stay out of this thread ~ medicmandan |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:21:31 PM EDT
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I've been LDS for 17 years the have y never allowed firearms in the chapels.
the church has been remarkably static over the last 20 years very little change in doctrine pr policy. The biggest difference I can think of is cola is not as frowned upon as it was in 1993. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:21:49 PM EDT
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Great kudos to my fellow LDS members who have persevered in this thread and, better than I, have presented fact in a calm manner in spite of the all too common complete ignorance and intentional misinformation spreaders.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:25:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both are more pro-gun compared to the current, “Take the guns first,” POTUS... Flake is a million times better on gun rights compared to Trump... Flake tried to legalize autos at one point. This policy has essentially been in place for a long time.... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:26:39 PM EDT
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Great kudos to my fellow LDS members who have persevered in this thread and, better than I, have presented fact in a calm manner in spite of the all too common complete ignorance and intentional misinformation spreaders. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:28:05 PM EDT
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Great kudos to my fellow LDS members who have persevered in this thread and, better than I, have presented fact in a calm manner in spite of the all too common complete ignorance and intentional misinformation spreaders. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:32:49 PM EDT
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Please stay out of this thread ~ medicmandan 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:35:03 PM EDT
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Nope. It is a widely known belief of the pre-creed Christian Church... Your pastor probably doesn’t focus on the pre-creed Church so much... As “Mormons” share the belief with the pre-creed Church. An evidence of our truth. “The notion of theosis is characteristic of church fathers Irenaeus (second century A.D.), Clement of Alexandria (third century A.D.), and Athanasius (fourth century A.D.). Indeed, so pervasive was the doctrine in the fourth century that Athanasius’s archenemies, the Arians, also held the belief and the Origenist monks at Jerusalem heatedly debated “whether all men would finally become like Christ or whether Christ was really a different creature.” Link If... If... If you are sincere in wanting to follow Christ... You should be a student of the pre-creed Christian Church. You will find many things in common with the Latter-Day Church. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nope, strictly a Mormon belief. It is a widely known belief of the pre-creed Christian Church... Your pastor probably doesn’t focus on the pre-creed Church so much... As “Mormons” share the belief with the pre-creed Church. An evidence of our truth. “The notion of theosis is characteristic of church fathers Irenaeus (second century A.D.), Clement of Alexandria (third century A.D.), and Athanasius (fourth century A.D.). Indeed, so pervasive was the doctrine in the fourth century that Athanasius’s archenemies, the Arians, also held the belief and the Origenist monks at Jerusalem heatedly debated “whether all men would finally become like Christ or whether Christ was really a different creature.” Link If... If... If you are sincere in wanting to follow Christ... You should be a student of the pre-creed Christian Church. You will find many things in common with the Latter-Day Church. Many saints, from antiquity to the present day have received sanctioned revelations or directions - none have needed ' magic stones' to see them or indulged in such material nonsense as dicta about underwear. It would have been a damned sight easier for Moron to deliver the golden tablets and magic stone glasses and underwear to Phillip the Fair at Clements papal consecration and ensured a probably Christian world. But that would have been too easy. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:37:47 PM EDT
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Edited ~ medicmandan
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:39:42 PM EDT
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Edited ~ medicmandan |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:40:00 PM EDT
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This is bullshit! I'm carrying every Sunday, same as I always have. Nelson in his Ivory Tower can piss up a rope!
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:40:43 PM EDT
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Not really different from most churches.. my parents Baptist church has the same policy but it's generally understood concealed means concealed and everyone knows people carry. The real problem is a lot of Mormons are non confrontational and if the SHTF as they prep for, they won't be prepared to do what needs to be done. I remember talking to my Mormon father in law about it, and I'll never forget what he said. I asked him what he would do if a bunch of people attacked them for their food preps and he thought for a second and said well I would share what I have.. I asked him why he would do that because it's literally taking food out of his family's mouth, and he just said he couldn't ever see himself killing anyone even if they would kill him. I just sat there thinking "why even have a gun then??" 
I can understand judiciously helping others in need as long as you have enough supplies, but I certainly wouldn't be offering to help everyone that had their hand out. Giving aid to someone who will just squander it is wasteful, in my opinion. I've also had a discussion somewhat similar to yours with a former coworker, though he was on the opposite side of the scenario. He openly spoke about his plan to simply take what he needed in a SHTF scenario, and thought he would just simply take the guns, ammo, and food from those who stockpiled them. I tried to explain to him that those who stockpiled guns and ammo in addition to food likely did so with the specific intent of shooting people like him in the face, should he try to take their supplies by force. 
If S really did HTF, all I really want to do is hunker down, stay warm and fed, and protect my family from those who might do us harm. I have to imagine, or at least hope, that your father-in-law is in the minority. I'd like to think that most people who prep, regardless of reason or religion, would have the proper mindset to defend themselves as needed. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:41:25 PM EDT
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Edited ~ medicmandan. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:41:27 PM EDT
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Edited ~ medicmandan
Jesus is the son of God, our last divine messenger - beyond any Angel. He would have appeared himself if it was true. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:42:24 PM EDT
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They have kevlar under garments now so need need to pack heat. Lead poisoning is against their words of wisdom.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lee really is a Trump supporter, and he believes that Trump is a "true conservative". “Mike Lee is one of the Senate’s most principled conservatives and deepest thinkers.” That is correct. And Lee has never, ever supported the horrific budget “deals” and “take the guns first” gun control. Lee also said Romney was a constitutional conservative, for comparison... “"I am confident Mitt Romney is guided by strong conservative principles and... he will seek to restore constitutionally limited government," Lee said in a statement announcing his endorsement.” Link Lee is a true constitutional conservative who can be trusted on small government principles... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:42:49 PM EDT
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Edited ~ medicmandan
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:44:25 PM EDT
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And another thing. If the Angel was called Moroni, why isn't it the 'Moron church'. Jesus is the son of God, our last divine messenger - beyond any Angel. He would have appeared himself if it was true. He did. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:44:43 PM EDT
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Tell that to our top leadership who travel the world with armed bodyguards. Hypocrites of the highest order. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No need for guns when you're packin' magic undies. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:44:54 PM EDT
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As far as the original topic is concerned, I don't know if there's anything more to be said at this time. I'll make sure to share if I learn anything new. I'm excusing myself until then.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the article... “Mike Lee is one of the Senate’s most principled conservatives and deepest thinkers.” That is correct. And Lee has never, ever supported the horrific budget “deals” and “take the guns first” gun control. Lee also said Romney was a constitutional conservative, for comparison... “"I am confident Mitt Romney is guided by strong conservative principles and... he will seek to restore constitutionally limited government," Lee said in a statement announcing his endorsement.” Link Lee is a true constitutional conservative who can be trusted on small government principles... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:45:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The “facts” are in our favor... As far as the “cult” insult is concerned. The pre-creed Christian Church shared many of the central core beliefs as the Latter-Day Church. And the same insult was used then. Study the pre-creed Christian Church. If you follow Christ, that is. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:46:03 PM EDT
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More importantly, it's what I'm packin' in those undies... 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:49:31 PM EDT
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Obviously you know little of Mormon history. He did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And another thing. If the Angel was called Moroni, why isn't it the 'Moron church'. Jesus is the son of God, our last divine messenger - beyond any Angel. He would have appeared himself if it was true. He did. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:51:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
More importantly, it's what I'm packin' in those undies...
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Edited ~ medicmandan
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:51:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please explain - I'm happy to learn and will defer to your explanations. 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:52:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:52:50 PM EDT
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Pee shooter?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Edited ~ medicmandan
I figure they won't be shooting if they're too busy laughing ... 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:52:54 PM EDT
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Honest question. Will the average male LD Saint choose dogma over the security of his family? What is the highest calling? Fighting for your family or spreading the dogma? I can only answer for myself but anyone involved in this policy can piss off. I'll attend church remotely now. Family> church for me. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:53:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please explain - I'm happy to learn and will defer to your explanations. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/first-vision?lang=eng |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:56:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You really need to stop following me around and obsessing over my posts. It's getting pretty weird bro. It is interesting that you posted about Constitutional stalwart Mike Lee. He is hardcore pro-gun... It is worthy of discussion. He is a Latter-Day Saint, highly respected among gun owners, and is opposed to the “Take the guns first” gun control that is pushed by “the swamp.” It is worthy of discussion. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:56:44 PM EDT
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Made up? Who said they made it up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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made up reasons they admitted to making up for it. Who said they made it up? |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:57:23 PM EDT
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If church prohibition makes concealed carry in church breaking the law would that not be breaking the rules of law that LDS members are called to uphold in church teachings? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Administrative. At this point I have two exits: 1) whole church is not true, eject 2) I get to pick and choose what I follow and what I don't. 1 is not correct. That leaves me at 2... That will not work out well for anyone |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:58:35 PM EDT
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Edited ~ medicmandan
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:59:00 PM EDT
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I was raised to believe alligance in this order. God, Family, Gov.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:59:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: THAT IS MY PROBLEM!! they've put me in a no win box. At this point I have two exits: 1) whole church is not true, eject 2) I get to pick and choose what I follow and what I don't. 1 is not correct. That leaves me at 2... That will not work out well for anyone |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @tontogoldstein I can only answer for myself but anyone involved in this policy can piss off. I'll attend church remotely now. Family> church for me. I thought it was going to be gays and gay supporters leaving in droves... Might be folks upset about this... and them, too, I guess... The tares will leave, and claim they cannot reconcile their beliefs with The Church in the last days. My kids, my family... will be at Church Sunday. Where we are supposed to be... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:03:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Great kudos to my fellow LDS members who have persevered in this thread and, better than I, have presented fact in a calm manner in spite of the all too common complete ignorance and intentional misinformation spreaders. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:04:17 PM EDT
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Enough with the "cult" crap. That is inaccurate and offensive to good people. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:04:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sevenator, pg 4 I believe. Maybe he is right. Maybe he is wrong. Speculating and postulating isn’t making it up. It’s speculating. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:05:39 PM EDT
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I was raised to believe alligance in this order. God, Family, Gov. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:06:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:10:47 PM EDT
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He said he was “speculating.” Maybe he is right. Maybe he is wrong. Speculating and postulating isn’t making it up. It’s speculating. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Sevenator, pg 4 I believe. Maybe he is right. Maybe he is wrong. Speculating and postulating isn’t making it up. It’s speculating. Stating something as a fact and then backing up with “I was just speculating” when called on it absolutely is making stuff up. If I were to say that Joseph Smith’s visions were the result of an LSD fueled rager he had the night before, and then said I was “just speculating” after pulling obvious nonsense out of my posterior would you conclude I was just engaging in some harmless “speculating and postulating.” |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:14:46 PM EDT
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You either don't have kids, or were raised wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was raised to believe alligance in this order. God, Family, Gov. 
Family never comes before God. ie Job |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:18:13 PM EDT
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The profound arrogance of those who believe they have found a prophet and leader greater than Christ himself.
Jesus needed no adjunct, he gathered his apostles. Taught them and bade them to spread the word. There never was a mention of Moroni. Countermiginous with all time and space, he never mentioned Joseph Smith. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:20:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Medicmandan wins the good mod award tonight. I'm surprised this thread is still open. It's only a matter of time before someone shitposts the thread into the abyss like all the other LDS threads. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:21:06 PM EDT
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The profound arrogance of those who believe they have found a prophet and leader greater than Christ himself. Jesus needed no adjunct, he gathered his apostles. Taught them and bade them to spread the word. There never was a mention of Moroni. Countermiginous with all time and space, he never mentioned Joseph Smith. |
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