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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:06:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In fairness a GSA certainly can go where Harleys(minus the PanAm) can’t. And then it can jump on the highway and ride across America on the interstate extremely comfortably. However…most of them don’t. But that is the rider and not the bike. But if your riding doesn’t include mud, rocks, ruts, and etc. then the GSA is perhaps not the right bike and a Harley may be. Or better yet you may just want a Harley because of the way it looks or vice-versa you may want a GSA to dream of big international adventures. No matter the reason that is a good enough in my mind to choose one over the other. Ride what you wanna ride. Life is too damn short to hate anything. And FWIW, I have always kept a look out for a late model GSA. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:11:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ride what you wanna ride. Life is too damn short to hate anything. And FWIW, I have always kept a look out for a late model GSA. I would like have a mid-90s FXR. New I think that icon is pretty damn sexy.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:12:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assuming it's envy is odd. Envious of something that is on every corner and super easy to attain? Doesn't make sense. Again, I ride with all sorts so it doesn't matter to me. First road bike I ever rode on was a sportster. ride on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It just comes across as envy most of the time. It's like that frat boy act when they all gang up on something. Almost all of the diehard Harley guys I know are that way solely because they are an American company. They are almost all Vets and all consider themselves pretty patriotic people. Again, I ride with all sorts so it doesn't matter to me. First road bike I ever rode on was a sportster. ride on. I don't know what it is it has never made sense to me. Unless the haters really are that stupid and just like running it into the ground like a bad joke that never dies I don't know what to think of it. Thou dost protest too much comes to mind. Seriously why else would they take it so personally? I'm cool with thinking they're just morons as that is a simple solution. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:21:07 PM EST
[#4]
Good episode from FortNine re. HD
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:23:12 PM EST
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After a couple of dozen of bikes, and giving in to cages after too much peripheral neuropathy, I miss this one the most.
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:30:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThird post nails it. They rode them around the from London to New York due East, and from the top of Scotland to the bottom for South Africa. If you are into motorcycles and you haven't seen The Long Way Round and The Long Way Down, I highly recommend them. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:41:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would like have a mid-90s FXR. New I think that icon is pretty damn sexy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191077/IMG_7107_jpeg-2840569.JPG Looks great, except for that oval air cleaner. A simple no element circle would have looked scads better. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:46:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks great, except for that oval air cleaner. A simple no element circle would have looked scads better. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would like have a mid-90s FXR. New I think that icon is pretty damn sexy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191077/IMG_7107_jpeg-2840569.JPG Looks great, except for that oval air cleaner. A simple no element circle would have looked scads better. I probably would have preferred the round as well. But this is an homage to a 1968 and the air cleaners were oval. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 11:00:06 PM EST
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Just to be clear, my HD hate comes from the people, not the bikes.
I grew up on dirt bikes, started street riding at 18, road racing at 19. Spent 35 years hanging out with motorcycle people. The amount of hate and bigotry that I received and have seen dealt from “HD” riders is sickening. Never got it from any other bike rider, cruiser, adv, sport bike Vespa ect. When all you hear from the same group is that you are a piece of shit and a commie for riding a Honda, or just the generic “Jap bike” you can get a little jaded. I’ve ridden just about ever kind of motorcycle out there. Some crazy examples, a Ducati Super Mono, and a MotoCzysz. I have seen benefits and cool features from every manufacturer. While I haven’t ridden them all, nothing HD has made ever made me think “this is so good it warrants their owners to be complete d-bags because it’s so good” Reminds me of a female Italian journalist who took a Ducati to bike week. HD retards giving her shit for riding a “Jap bike” She didn’t hold back, had to explain that she was riding a V twin, air cooled bike that wasn’t made in Japan. If you find a bike that fits your needs, ride it. I’ll be riding my Austrian bike, or maybe my Italian, or my “Jap” bike. But with what they have made up until now, it won’t be a HD anything. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 11:17:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Big fat Goldwing.  Attached FileAbsolutely... Still wish I had my beater-gw It was not the Harley I wanted at the time, but the buke I needed and could afford. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 12:19:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just to be clear, my HD hate comes from the people, not the bikes. I grew up on dirt bikes, started street riding at 18, road racing at 19. Spent 35 years hanging out with motorcycle people. The amount of hate and bigotry that I received and have seen dealt from “HD” riders is sickening. Never got it from any other bike rider, cruiser, adv, sport bike Vespa ect. When all you hear from the same group is that you are a piece of shit and a commie for riding a Honda, or just the generic “Jap bike” you can get a little jaded. I’ve ridden just about ever kind of motorcycle out there. Some crazy examples, a Ducati Super Mono, and a MotoCzysz. I have seen benefits and cool features from every manufacturer. While I haven’t ridden them all, nothing HD has made ever made me think “this is so good it warrants their owners to be complete d-bags because it’s so good” Reminds me of a female Italian journalist who took a Ducati to bike week. HD retards giving her shit for riding a “Jap bike” She didn’t hold back, had to explain that she was riding a V twin, air cooled bike that wasn’t made in Japan. If you find a bike that fits your needs, ride it. I’ll be riding my Austrian bike, or maybe my Italian, or my “Jap” bike. But with what they have made up until now, it won’t be a HD anything. Dude - why are you so angry? Life is short. Just ride! |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 12:34:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude - why are you so angry? Life is short. Just ride! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just to be clear, my HD hate comes from the people, not the bikes. I grew up on dirt bikes, started street riding at 18, road racing at 19. Spent 35 years hanging out with motorcycle people. The amount of hate and bigotry that I received and have seen dealt from “HD” riders is sickening. Never got it from any other bike rider, cruiser, adv, sport bike Vespa ect. When all you hear from the same group is that you are a piece of shit and a commie for riding a Honda, or just the generic “Jap bike” you can get a little jaded. I’ve ridden just about ever kind of motorcycle out there. Some crazy examples, a Ducati Super Mono, and a MotoCzysz. I have seen benefits and cool features from every manufacturer. While I haven’t ridden them all, nothing HD has made ever made me think “this is so good it warrants their owners to be complete d-bags because it’s so good” Reminds me of a female Italian journalist who took a Ducati to bike week. HD retards giving her shit for riding a “Jap bike” She didn’t hold back, had to explain that she was riding a V twin, air cooled bike that wasn’t made in Japan. If you find a bike that fits your needs, ride it. I’ll be riding my Austrian bike, or maybe my Italian, or my “Jap” bike. But with what they have made up until now, it won’t be a HD anything. Dude - why are you so angry? Life is short. Just ride! Not angry, just answering to the people who don’t understand that HD hate, stems from HD owners. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 12:57:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Top speed of a road glide is 105-110 when it hits the limiter. And it will pull like a train to that point. A very few mods and it does more than that. 0-60 in 4.6, again, stock. Nimble enough to dominate police competitions….if you have the ability. Do you honestly need more than that on public roads? I don’t but I am just a daily rider. Having said that a lot of you know I ride a GSA most of the time. I don’t own a tour bike and the only Harley I currently own is older than me. I just love all motorcycles. But here is a challenge for Harley Haters…go ride one. Seriously go do it and post a no BS review and let’s see what you think from real first hand experience. It’s easy to do, Harley dealers practically force test rides on you. Go check them out. I’m against Harleys because Harley owners say “the Harley” instead of “my motorcycle/bike/etc”. Especially 883 owners. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 5:32:47 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not angry, just answering to the people who don't understand that HD hate, stems from HD owners. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just to be clear, my HD hate comes from the people, not the bikes. I grew up on dirt bikes, started street riding at 18, road racing at 19. Spent 35 years hanging out with motorcycle people. The amount of hate and bigotry that I received and have seen dealt from "HD" riders is sickening. Never got it from any other bike rider, cruiser, adv, sport bike Vespa ect. When all you hear from the same group is that you are a piece of shit and a commie for riding a Honda, or just the generic "Jap bike" you can get a little jaded. I've ridden just about ever kind of motorcycle out there. Some crazy examples, a Ducati Super Mono, and a MotoCzysz. I have seen benefits and cool features from every manufacturer. While I haven't ridden them all, nothing HD has made ever made me think "this is so good it warrants their owners to be complete d-bags because it's so good" Reminds me of a female Italian journalist who took a Ducati to bike week. HD retards giving her shit for riding a "Jap bike" She didn't hold back, had to explain that she was riding a V twin, air cooled bike that wasn't made in Japan. If you find a bike that fits your needs, ride it. I'll be riding my Austrian bike, or maybe my Italian, or my "Jap" bike. But with what they have made up until now, it won't be a HD anything. Dude - why are you so angry? Life is short. Just ride! Not angry, just answering to the people who don't understand that HD hate, stems from HD owners. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:01:44 AM EST
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Harley’s are probably the first bike of upper middle age white guys buying into the iconic lifestyle, one that probably never really existed outside of movies. So they get that crowd and they may rub some wrong adding to the Harley hate.
I’ve never ridden a Harley. Went and looked at them, but I just don’t want anything you can’t stand up on. They make some nice looking bikes but just don’t seem sporty enough to me. The Pan American is a joke. That thing is a huge beast of a bike. Like 34” plus seat height and cost in the $20k’s. No idea who that market is, bmw customers maybe? |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:04:54 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was the exact criteria when I bought my current bike, except for much longer than three years, and the wife has time enjoy riding in back too. I bought a '21 Goldwing Tour DCT and it will never be sold. I don't have a single regret about it replacing my previous FJR, the 'wing is just better all around and a ton more enjoyable to ride. That said the no mod rule takes it out of contention. To make it all day rideable took a very expensive RDL seat, new windscreen, highway pegs, fully adjustable replacement handlebars, a belly guard, extra visibility lighting... At some point you quit adding it up and just ride. :D To get my bike to where I wanted it took a seat, windshield, some air deflectors, and Traxxion Dynamics suspension and steering components. Still not a good bike for riding fast in the tight twisties. Pleasant and entertaining in the fast sweepers. Superb for the long slogs to get anywhere that is fun to ride. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:07:08 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kawasaki ZX10R. I'm a Kawi fan boy so there's that. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:10:59 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not angry, just answering to the people who don’t understand that HD hate, stems from HD owners. Ahh. So, since there aren’t any Harley guys here, or anywhere that I’ve been, to show us that hate, you provide anecdotes. And you provide hate. That’s compelling. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:12:54 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m against Harleys because Harley owners say “the Harley” instead of “my motorcycle/bike/etc”. Especially 883 owners. Are you against BMW owners also? When I had 3 bikes I would ride “the Harley” “the BMW” or “the dirt bike”. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:15:51 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Harley’s are probably the first bike of upper middle age white guys buying into the iconic lifestyle, one that probably never really existed outside of movies. So they get that crowd and they may rub some wrong adding to the Harley hate. I’ve never ridden a Harley. Went and looked at them, but I just don’t want anything you can’t stand up on. They make some nice looking bikes but just don’t seem sporty enough to me. The Pan American is a joke. That thing is a huge beast of a bike. Like 34” plus seat height and cost in the $20k’s. No idea who that market is, bmw customers maybe? That’s made for the adventure bike market. It specs are right in the sweet spot for the ADV market. I just don’t think ADV bikes in general will ever catch on. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:23:02 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Big fat Goldwing. thats what i have. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:31:23 AM EST
[#22]
Why do 87% of Harley riders only wave to other Harleys?
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:33:47 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s made for the adventure bike market. It specs are right in the sweet spot for the ADV market. I just don’t think ADV bikes in general will ever catch on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Harley’s are probably the first bike of upper middle age white guys buying into the iconic lifestyle, one that probably never really existed outside of movies. So they get that crowd and they may rub some wrong adding to the Harley hate. I’ve never ridden a Harley. Went and looked at them, but I just don’t want anything you can’t stand up on. They make some nice looking bikes but just don’t seem sporty enough to me. The Pan American is a joke. That thing is a huge beast of a bike. Like 34” plus seat height and cost in the $20k’s. No idea who that market is, bmw customers maybe? That’s made for the adventure bike market. It specs are right in the sweet spot for the ADV market. I just don’t think ADV bikes in general will ever catch on. As lifelong dirt rider new to the street market, adv bikes seem like my go to. Not because I want to take a 500lb off-road(I don’t) but because the seating position and suspension fit me the best. The pan am is just too tall for me, not to mention I ain’t spending that much. Triumph seems to have huge portions of the adv market second to bmw or maybe Ducati. The jap adv bikes actually seem more off-road capable, but let’s not kid ourselves, most adv guys just like strapping as much crap to their bikes without actually utilizing the bike’s capabilities. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:35:44 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do 87% of Harley riders only wave to other Harleys? This is proving to be a fact to me. Either they’re snobbish or are afraid to let go of the grip. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 7:09:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do 87% of Harley riders only wave to other Harleys? Absolutely legit point. They by far are the least waving of any other rider, everywhere I've ever been riding. Why is that? We all know that answer. Also I've rented various Harleys many times on work trips, and rode a lot of great S. California mountain roads, valleys, etc on them. Based on all those miles I can easily say I will never own any Harley. Not one of them was even close to being a fully enjoyable experience. None of them, even though no more than a couple of years old, were even remotely up to the mechanical standards of even some of the cheapest import bikes. Any bike is better than no bike, so it was still fun riding those amazing roads, but it completely convinced me that I can eliminate Harley permanently from any personal consideration. I have no doubt they are as reliable as anything else. I also got more "nice bike!" comments while riding those rentals than I ever get on my own bikes. People love the style, no question. I just prefer better machines. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 7:15:25 AM EST
[#26]
Quoted: Just to be clear, my HD hate comes from the people, not the bikes. I grew up on dirt bikes, started street riding at 18, road racing at 19. Spent 35 years hanging out with motorcycle people. The amount of hate and bigotry that I received and have seen dealt from “HD” riders is sickening. Never got it from any other bike rider, cruiser, adv, sport bike Vespa ect. When all you hear from the same group is that you are a piece of shit and a commie for riding a Honda, or just the generic “Jap bike” you can get a little jaded. I’ve ridden just about ever kind of motorcycle out there. Some crazy examples, a Ducati Super Mono, and a MotoCzysz. I have seen benefits and cool features from every manufacturer. While I haven’t ridden them all, nothing HD has made ever made me think “this is so good it warrants their owners to be complete d-bags because it’s so good” Reminds me of a female Italian journalist who took a Ducati to bike week. HD retards giving her shit for riding a “Jap bike” She didn’t hold back, had to explain that she was riding a V twin, air cooled bike that wasn’t made in Japan. If you find a bike that fits your needs, ride it. I’ll be riding my Austrian bike, or maybe my Italian, or my “Jap” bike. But with what they have made up until now, it won’t be a HD anything. Ridiculous and 100% opposite of anything I have ever experienced as a non-Harley rider. In fact , and though I have told the story before, I have only been openly and obviously shunned by two times. The first was by some BMW riders because I was on a KLR and the second was by some dual sport guys because I was on a BMW. Ironic I know. I have neer been shunned by the Harley guys. In fact I am usually getting chatted up by them because they are interested in what I am riding. This goes from the local wekend riders, to the wanna be clubs, to the Pagans that rolled into my business. Quoted: Harley’s are probably the first bike of upper middle age white guys buying into the iconic lifestyle, one that probably never really existed outside of movies. So they get that crowd and they may rub some wrong adding to the Harley hate. I’ve never ridden a Harley. Went and looked at them, but I just don’t want anything you can’t stand up on. They make some nice looking bikes but just don’t seem sporty enough to me. The Pan American is a joke. That thing is a huge beast of a bike. Like 34” plus seat height and cost in the $20k’s. No idea who that market is, bmw customers maybe? Are you pulling our leg? You are completely unaware of the absolute fastest growing segment of motorcycles out there? The Harley has more power than BMW, less weight than BMW, and costs less than the BMW. In fact, it costs less than a comparable Triumph. If you had ridden it you would know it also has one more trick up its sleeve that not one other company has come up with...when you come to a stop it seamlessly lowers itself to allow you to easily get both feet down. Its amazing how well it works. These threads always remind me that most people have no idea how much motorcycles cost. Harley is not any more money than most other brands when looking at other than budget models. Quoted: Why do 87% of Harley riders only wave to other Harleys? |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:01:27 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As lifelong dirt rider new to the street market, adv bikes seem like my go to. Not because I want to take a 500lb off-road(I don’t) but because the seating position and suspension fit me the best. The pan am is just too tall for me, not to mention I ain’t spending that much. Triumph seems to have huge portions of the adv market second to bmw or maybe Ducati. The jap adv bikes actually seem more off-road capable, but let’s not kid ourselves, most adv guys just like strapping as much crap to their bikes without actually utilizing the bike’s capabilities. 1 the off road capability is debatable, but I'd say the bmw gsa is more capable offroad than anything from japan. The japanese bikes have a small (10%?) weight advantage and some have a 21" front tire instead of 19" but you can change that. But the gsa has a much lower COG and feels a lot lighter than it is, and the electronic features blow the jap bikes away. 2 the adv bike crowd prob gets a lot more time offroad than you think. they're about as well organized as jeep clubs these days and there's really no shortage of "rides" you can join. maybe i'm biased because i live in the smokey mountains which is pretty much The destination for motorcycle riding and i see thousands of adv bikes come through my small town each year with out of state plates. 3 i don't know anyone with a triumph adv bike. everyone i know has gsa, africa twin or ktm |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:28:15 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you against BMW owners also? When I had 3 bikes I would ride “the Harley” “the BMW” or “the dirt bike”. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m against Harleys because Harley owners say “the Harley” instead of “my motorcycle/bike/etc”. Especially 883 owners. Are you against BMW owners also? When I had 3 bikes I would ride “the Harley” “the BMW” or “the dirt bike”. I’ve only heard the Harley thing. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:46:03 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do 87% of Harley riders only wave to other Harleys? Why does anyone "wave"..? I don't wave at every other Ford Fiesta driver I see out on the road. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:51:57 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does anyone "wave"..? I don't wave at every other Ford Fiesta driver I see out on the road. I don't mind it. Anything that builds a sense of community in our Nation can't be a bad thing in these days. I will admit though that I do feel a bit more of a connection to another rider when it is January and 32 degrees vs that perfect summer day and there are 8000 other bikes on the road. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:54:25 AM EST
[#31]
If money's no object it's got to be a GS.
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:55:09 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing beats a sumo for fun-to-dollar, especially if you have limited time and or tight roads. I stoppie at the end of my driveway, wheelie thru the gears to the stop sign at the end of the road and then drop it from 6th into 2nd and back it into the first turn out of the neighborhood. I’m grinning ear to ear like an idiot within the first 60 seconds and hundred yards of road. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/287916/00441209-A1BD-45CC-B3AD-3EA4E36CDA0F-2502888.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For pure fun, I've never wanted a motard so bad as watching those crazy fucks rip through deals gap. Nothing beats a sumo for fun-to-dollar, especially if you have limited time and or tight roads. I stoppie at the end of my driveway, wheelie thru the gears to the stop sign at the end of the road and then drop it from 6th into 2nd and back it into the first turn out of the neighborhood. I’m grinning ear to ear like an idiot within the first 60 seconds and hundred yards of road. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/287916/00441209-A1BD-45CC-B3AD-3EA4E36CDA0F-2502888.jpg I had to get rid of mine before I went to jail. 
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Posted: 6/5/2023 9:02:29 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Big fat Goldwing. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 9:10:36 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BMW. 70's and 80's Airheads. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 9:23:01 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny because the only people here trashing other bikes or brands are the non-Harley guys. This right here is spot on! ^^^ |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 9:28:44 AM EST
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These threads become pointless when the GD way is to argue lifestyle choices over motorcycle choices.
You want to ride or not ride a Harley, great. You want to justify the decision on how you view yourself or for how you think those who ride them see theirselves, quit being a douche. Get a bike for the type of riding you are going to do. (street, dirt, combo) Get one that FITS YOU. (the worst thing to see, or be behind, is a bike that is too big for the rider; even worse when they are one up). Get the one that is the most comfortable for you. Get the one you can afford. Before I bought my last bike, I told myself that I was going to go test ride all the bikes from 600cc-1200cc that would fit the type of riding I was planning on doing. I went to all the dealers and sat on them first. If they didn't fit and or weren't comfortable on the showroom floor, they sure as hell weren't going to be on the street. I narrowed it down and started to test ride. I eventually picked the best value out of the ones that fit me and were comfortable. It was no surprise that the more expensive brands and models within the brands seemed to fit better than the lesser models and brands. Then I set the suspension up to fit me and my style of riding. Too many people overlook the suspension and how important it is to set to your height and weight. Most bikes factory suspension's suck out of the box. After that you can pick your t-shirts and what bars you are going to hang out at and your 'biker wave' style. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 10:41:47 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m against Harleys because Harley owners say “the Harley” instead of “my motorcycle/bike/etc”. Especially 883 owners. To be fair, I say " the S3", "the grom", "the tiger", etc. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 10:45:38 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't mind it. Anything that builds a sense of community in our naton can't be a bad thing in these days. I will admit though that I do feel a bit more of a connection to another rider when it is January and 32 degrees vs that perfect summer day and there are 8000 other bikes on the road. I don't initiate a wave when it's nice out, but I will return them. When it's rainy or cold, I will initiate as a way of saying "hell yeah, fellow non fair weather rider". |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 10:52:51 AM EST
[#39]
Suzuki Hayabusa.
Powerful and very smooth. Very stable and excellent on freeway. My wife liked riding on it more than a Harley Low Rider. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:06:16 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't mind it. Anything that builds a sense of community in our Nation can't be a bad thing in these days. I will admit though that I do feel a bit more of a connection to another rider when it is January and 32 degrees vs that perfect summer day and there are 8000 other bikes on the road. Definitely. It feels more like one enthusiast to another with the adverse weather waves. Harley/cruiser guys in my area are definitely more stingy with the waves than any other class/type of bike in my experience. They make up 75% of the bikes around here though. I do get more of them waving back at me on my Africa Twin than I ever did on my sportbikes. (R6, ZX6R, F4i, R1 or 954RR) |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:07:34 AM EST
[#41]
Without having done any research on new bikes and keeping it budget friendly, my first reaction would be another africa twin.
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:09:24 AM EST
[#42]
Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/88366/th-1537074514-2838638.jpg Let's say you had to choose ONE new factory built (not modded) bike that would serve as your sole transportation for the next three years. Yeah, you can borrow a buddy's truck for this or that, but you'd have to have ONE motorcycle only, and be able to use it in anywhere in the CONUS - say your work could send you on a whim to anywhere from Maine to Texas. Money is no issue, but it's got to be a serial manufactured new motorcycle, that can be bought today. What would you choose? Harley-Davidson Road Glide Standard. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:13:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely. It feels more like one enthusiast to another with the adverse weather waves. Harley/cruiser guys in my area are definitely more stingy with the waves than any other class/type of bike in my experience. They make up 75% of the bikes around here though. I do get more of them waving back at me on my Africa Twin than I ever did on my sportbikes. (R6, ZX6R, F4i, R1 or 954RR) to be honest on my goldwing i was likely fiddling with the radio, checking the weather radar on the dash and texting with my phone through the gps system and never saw you
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:20:01 AM EST
[#44]
To answer OPs actual question, either a Gold Wing or a R1250GS with luggage.
Myself I'd go with a Wing for the smooth ride and weather protection plus all that carrying capacity. I've had a 1500 and 1800 Wing and enjoyed both. I now have a Harley Electra Glide but am not a "Harley guy", and also a Ural sidecar rig. Here in central AZ most riders wave and if they don't wave back my feels are just fine. I really don't care what anyone else rides or what they think of mine. I think brand snobs are just silly regardless. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:22:12 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely. It feels more like one enthusiast to another with the adverse weather waves. Harley/cruiser guys in my area are definitely more stingy with the waves than any other class/type of bike in my experience. They make up 75% of the bikes around here though. I do get more of them waving back at me on my Africa Twin than I ever did on my sportbikes. (R6, ZX6R, F4i, R1 or 954RR) I still throw up my hand at bikes when I'm driving my car.
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:51:21 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks great, except for that oval air cleaner. A simple no element circle would have looked scads better. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would like have a mid-90s FXR. New I think that icon is pretty damn sexy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191077/IMG_7107_jpeg-2840569.JPG Looks great, except for that oval air cleaner. A simple no element circle would have looked scads better. Harley probably sells a round Screamin' Eagle accessory air cleaner for that bike. I bought one for my Road King. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 12:51:07 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: to be honest on my goldwing i was likely fiddling with the radio, checking the weather radar on the dash and texting with my phone through the gps system and never saw you Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Definitely. It feels more like one enthusiast to another with the adverse weather waves. Harley/cruiser guys in my area are definitely more stingy with the waves than any other class/type of bike in my experience. They make up 75% of the bikes around here though. I do get more of them waving back at me on my Africa Twin than I ever did on my sportbikes. (R6, ZX6R, F4i, R1 or 954RR) to be honest on my goldwing i was likely fiddling with the radio, checking the weather radar on the dash and texting with my phone through the gps system and never saw you  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 12:55:11 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ridiculous and 100% opposite of anything I have ever experienced as a non-Harley rider. In fact , and though I have told the story before, I have only been openly and obviously shunned by two times. The first was by some BMW riders because I was on a KLR and the second was by some dual sport guys because I was on a BMW. Ironic I know. I have neer been shunned by the Harley guys. In fact I am usually getting chatted up by them because they are interested in what I am riding. This goes from the local wekend riders, to the wanna be clubs, to the Pagans that rolled into my business. Are you pulling our leg? You are completely unaware of the absolute fastest growing segment of motorcycles out there? The Harley has more power than BMW, less weight than BMW, and costs less than the BMW. In fact, it costs less than a comparable Triumph. If you had ridden it you would know it also has one more trick up its sleeve that not one other company has come up with...when you come to a stop it seamlessly lowers itself to allow you to easily get both feet down. Its amazing how well it works. These threads always remind me that most people have no idea how much motorcycles cost. Harley is not any more money than most other brands when looking at other than budget models. That is not my experience. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just to be clear, my HD hate comes from the people, not the bikes. I grew up on dirt bikes, started street riding at 18, road racing at 19. Spent 35 years hanging out with motorcycle people. The amount of hate and bigotry that I received and have seen dealt from “HD” riders is sickening. Never got it from any other bike rider, cruiser, adv, sport bike Vespa ect. When all you hear from the same group is that you are a piece of shit and a commie for riding a Honda, or just the generic “Jap bike” you can get a little jaded. I’ve ridden just about ever kind of motorcycle out there. Some crazy examples, a Ducati Super Mono, and a MotoCzysz. I have seen benefits and cool features from every manufacturer. While I haven’t ridden them all, nothing HD has made ever made me think “this is so good it warrants their owners to be complete d-bags because it’s so good” Reminds me of a female Italian journalist who took a Ducati to bike week. HD retards giving her shit for riding a “Jap bike” She didn’t hold back, had to explain that she was riding a V twin, air cooled bike that wasn’t made in Japan. If you find a bike that fits your needs, ride it. I’ll be riding my Austrian bike, or maybe my Italian, or my “Jap” bike. But with what they have made up until now, it won’t be a HD anything. Ridiculous and 100% opposite of anything I have ever experienced as a non-Harley rider. In fact , and though I have told the story before, I have only been openly and obviously shunned by two times. The first was by some BMW riders because I was on a KLR and the second was by some dual sport guys because I was on a BMW. Ironic I know. I have neer been shunned by the Harley guys. In fact I am usually getting chatted up by them because they are interested in what I am riding. This goes from the local wekend riders, to the wanna be clubs, to the Pagans that rolled into my business. Quoted: Harley’s are probably the first bike of upper middle age white guys buying into the iconic lifestyle, one that probably never really existed outside of movies. So they get that crowd and they may rub some wrong adding to the Harley hate. I’ve never ridden a Harley. Went and looked at them, but I just don’t want anything you can’t stand up on. They make some nice looking bikes but just don’t seem sporty enough to me. The Pan American is a joke. That thing is a huge beast of a bike. Like 34” plus seat height and cost in the $20k’s. No idea who that market is, bmw customers maybe? The Harley has more power than BMW, less weight than BMW, and costs less than the BMW. In fact, it costs less than a comparable Triumph. If you had ridden it you would know it also has one more trick up its sleeve that not one other company has come up with...when you come to a stop it seamlessly lowers itself to allow you to easily get both feet down. Its amazing how well it works. These threads always remind me that most people have no idea how much motorcycles cost. Harley is not any more money than most other brands when looking at other than budget models. Quoted: Why do 87% of Harley riders only wave to other Harleys? You misunderstood, I completely understand the adv bike thing, I just bought one. I’m saying I don’t know who Harley customer is with the pan am…it’s huge and extremely expensive. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 1:03:26 PM EST
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Posted: 6/5/2023 1:56:26 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As lifelong dirt rider new to the street market, adv bikes seem like my go to. Not because I want to take a 500lb off-road(I don't) but because the seating position and suspension fit me the best. The pan am is just too tall for me, not to mention I ain't spending that much. Triumph seems to have huge portions of the adv market second to bmw or maybe Ducati. The jap adv bikes actually seem more off-road capable, but let's not kid ourselves, most adv guys just like strapping as much crap to their bikes without actually utilizing the bike's capabilities. As a Harley rider, ADV enthusiast, and KTM fanatic, it's blatantly obvious you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about with regards to the Pan-Am. Non-Harley folks are literally waiting to see how BMW and KTM responds because it's *that* good. It basically kick started interest in "better" adv bikes overnight. The Pan-Am is way, way better than it has any right to be coming from Harley Davidson. |
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