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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:02:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a Harley rider, ADV enthusiast, and KTM fanatic, it's blatantly obvious you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about with regards to the Pan-Am. Non-Harley folks are literally waiting to see how BMW and KTM responds because it's *that* good. It basically kick started interest in "better" adv bikes overnight. The Pan-Am is way, way better than it has any right to be coming from Harley Davidson. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As lifelong dirt rider new to the street market, adv bikes seem like my go to. Not because I want to take a 500lb off-road(I don't) but because the seating position and suspension fit me the best. The pan am is just too tall for me, not to mention I ain't spending that much. Triumph seems to have huge portions of the adv market second to bmw or maybe Ducati. The jap adv bikes actually seem more off-road capable, but let's not kid ourselves, most adv guys just like strapping as much crap to their bikes without actually utilizing the bike's capabilities. As a Harley rider, ADV enthusiast, and KTM fanatic, it's blatantly obvious you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about with regards to the Pan-Am. Non-Harley folks are literally waiting to see how BMW and KTM responds because it's *that* good. It basically kick started interest in "better" adv bikes overnight. The Pan-Am is way, way better than it has any right to be coming from Harley Davidson. Laughs in T7. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:06:18 PM EST
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what j-pat said. also,
BMW released the R18 which is like a direct attempt to take some of harley's market, and imho, did a better job with their first version than harley has after decades. So it's totally fair game for harley to turn around and take a poke at the adv bike market. competition is good more the merrier, i say |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:07:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Laughs in T7. Not even competing for the same market segment. This is like saying the Kawasaki Z125 is trying to compete with a Honda Street and Trail. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:09:34 PM EST
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 Brand new Ducati Multistrada V4 (I currently ride a '18 Multistrada 1260s and love it) |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:15:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a Harley rider, ADV enthusiast, and KTM fanatic, it's blatantly obvious you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about with regards to the Pan-Am. Non-Harley folks are literally waiting to see how BMW and KTM responds because it's *that* good. It basically kick started interest in "better" adv bikes overnight. The Pan-Am is way, way better than it has any right to be coming from Harley Davidson. I am hearing this from owners of the Pan America. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:22:40 PM EST
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 Not sure where the rumor of BMW GS unreliability is coming from. My 650 Dakar just runs. As a single on the highway above 65 it's buzzy. The 700GS twin is super smooth. We did a long trip CA-NV-UT-NM-AZ and the 700 was a champ. I was done at the end of the day on single. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:33:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/163015/carizzo03-12-sm-260779.jpg Not sure where the rumor of BMW GS unreliability is coming from. My 650 Dakar just runs. As a single on the highway above 65 it's buzzy. The 700GS twin is super smooth. We did a long trip CA-NV-UT-NM-AZ and the 700 was a champ. I was done at the end of the day on single. I remember back in the days of the 1100, I think it was, there were some final drives meeting their final ends in spectacularly firey ways. Other than that, the only reasons I have for avoiding them now is price and complexity. Had an R1150R that I loved, but dang, I bought it used, and never did get it properly sorted. A new GSA would be a fantastic ride! Of course, I caught myself before trying to buy an older Goldwing off of someone, since it was under a tarp as a "long term project" mostly due to me already having a "long term project" in a '79 GS850. 
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:46:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a Harley rider, ADV enthusiast, and KTM fanatic, it's blatantly obvious you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about with regards to the Pan-Am. Non-Harley folks are literally waiting to see how BMW and KTM responds because it's *that* good. It basically kick started interest in "better" adv bikes overnight. The Pan-Am is way, way better than it has any right to be coming from Harley Davidson. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As lifelong dirt rider new to the street market, adv bikes seem like my go to. Not because I want to take a 500lb off-road(I don't) but because the seating position and suspension fit me the best. The pan am is just too tall for me, not to mention I ain't spending that much. Triumph seems to have huge portions of the adv market second to bmw or maybe Ducati. The jap adv bikes actually seem more off-road capable, but let's not kid ourselves, most adv guys just like strapping as much crap to their bikes without actually utilizing the bike's capabilities. As a Harley rider, ADV enthusiast, and KTM fanatic, it's blatantly obvious you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about with regards to the Pan-Am. Non-Harley folks are literally waiting to see how BMW and KTM responds because it's *that* good. It basically kick started interest in "better" adv bikes overnight. The Pan-Am is way, way better than it has any right to be coming from Harley Davidson. Your absolutely right cause I don’t even know what an “adv enthusiast” is, I’m assuming it’s someone with luggage racks and a 1 peice suit that hits up gravel or dirt roads. But I could be wrong. My point was not to dog the your beloved Harley pan am but when I decided to get into street I literally looked at everything I could. The pan ams I looked at were 34” seat height and probably well over 560lb and priced in the low to mid $20k. But I think what you’re saying is harley is responsible for the adv bikes getting bigger, heavier and more expensive? I bought a tiger cause it was priced right, light and pretty fast(faster after tune). I like the upright position of the adv bikes, as long as they’re still light and flickable but I ain’t going on an adventure on them, i got a little mx track and tried riding berms and that’s a no go. Jumping over small bumps.. sure. Running across fields, yea..but the heavier you get the less true off-roady you get.Honestly I probably should go naked and may. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:49:50 PM EST
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I'd say Tenere 700 for sure. Can get you down the highway just fine, and then allow you to explore dirt roads or trails wherever you end up. Much simpler electronically than most other current production ADV bikes. If this exercise means one bike as it comes from a dealer, you can add Yamaha aluminum side and top cases which you would need if this is indeed your only wheeled transportation.
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Posted: 6/5/2023 5:01:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your absolutely right cause I don’t even know what an “adv enthusiast” is, I’m assuming it’s someone with luggage racks and a 1 peice suit that hits up gravel or dirt roads. But I could be wrong. My point was not to dog the your beloved Harley pan am but when I decided to get into street I literally looked at everything I could. The pan ams I looked at were 34” seat height and probably well over 560lb and priced in the low to mid $20k. But I think what you’re saying is harley is responsible for the adv bikes getting bigger, heavier and more expensive? I bought a tiger cause it was priced right, light and pretty fast(faster after tune). I like the upright position of the adv bikes, as long as they’re still light and flickable but I ain’t going on an adventure on them, i got a little mx track and tried riding berms and that’s a no go. Jumping over small bumps.. sure. Running across fields, yea..but the heavier you get the less true off-roady you get.Honestly I probably should go naked and may. Which Tiger did you get? |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 5:05:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your absolutely right cause I don’t even know what an “adv enthusiast” is, I’m assuming it’s someone with luggage racks and a 1 peice suit that hits up gravel or dirt roads. But I could be wrong. My point was not to dog the your beloved Harley pan am but when I decided to get into street I literally looked at everything I could. The pan ams I looked at were 34” seat height and probably well over 560lb and priced in the low to mid $20k. But I think what you’re saying is harley is responsible for the adv bikes getting bigger, heavier and more expensive? I bought a tiger cause it was priced right, light and pretty fast(faster after tune). I like the upright position of the adv bikes, as long as they’re still light and flickable but I ain’t going on an adventure on them, i got a little mx track and tried riding berms and that’s a no go. Jumping over small bumps.. sure. Running across fields, yea..but the heavier you get the less true off-roady you get.Honestly I probably should go naked and may. Again…the Harley is lighter than the GS and cost less that the KTM 1290, BMW 1250, or comparable Triumph Tiger 1200. It also sits much, much lower than any of the other three thanks to the ride lowering tech. I am going to be honest. I was excited about the BMW 1300 because it looked like it was rumored it was going to get lighter…but now it looks like it is going to get even heavier though it’s unconfirmed. That means that my next big ADV bike will likely be the Harley. It handles great and I watched a dude ride one like it was a 300 pound dirt bike. Now I am not that guy, but at least I will know it is me and not the bike. ETA: I had a Tiger 800 and recently rode the Tiger 900. They are fantastic bikes. You chose wisely. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 5:11:55 PM EST
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Posted: 6/5/2023 5:14:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryAlso a solid choice. On the new BMW cruiser I think it looks the business. But, the honest reviews I am seeing are saying it isn’t quite up to snuff. But man when they put the teaser photos out with a 21” front wheel I loved that look. OP, are you even still with us or did you just throw us all in the Thunderdome to see what happens? |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 5:25:00 PM EST
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Bought this 2023 KTM 690-smc-r back in April. Slapped on a pipe and rear fender delete. Puts a smile on my face, things a beast, handles great.
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Posted: 6/5/2023 5:50:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThis, for the versatility. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 5:57:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which Tiger did you get? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your absolutely right cause I don’t even know what an “adv enthusiast” is, I’m assuming it’s someone with luggage racks and a 1 peice suit that hits up gravel or dirt roads. But I could be wrong. My point was not to dog the your beloved Harley pan am but when I decided to get into street I literally looked at everything I could. The pan ams I looked at were 34” seat height and probably well over 560lb and priced in the low to mid $20k. But I think what you’re saying is harley is responsible for the adv bikes getting bigger, heavier and more expensive? I bought a tiger cause it was priced right, light and pretty fast(faster after tune). I like the upright position of the adv bikes, as long as they’re still light and flickable but I ain’t going on an adventure on them, i got a little mx track and tried riding berms and that’s a no go. Jumping over small bumps.. sure. Running across fields, yea..but the heavier you get the less true off-roady you get.Honestly I probably should go naked and may. Which Tiger did you get? I got the 850 and incidentally am sitting here getting situated with a dang android tablet with tuneEcu to put on a dnk map i just bought to open the bike up. Navigating a new OS, for me at least, is awful. Think i got it figured out. The only thing i wish i had opted for the tiger 900 is the cruise control. The only one available was gt 900 with the lowered height. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:01:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again…the Harley is lighter than the GS and cost less that the KTM 1290, BMW 1250, or comparable Triumph Tiger 1200. It also sits much, much lower than any of the other three thanks to the ride lowering tech. I am going to be honest. I was excited about the BMW 1300 because it looked like it was rumored it was going to get lighter…but now it looks like it is going to get even heavier though it’s unconfirmed. That means that my next big ADV bike will likely be the Harley. It handles great and I watched a dude ride one like it was a 300 pound dirt bike. Now I am not that guy, but at least I will know it is me and not the bike. ETA: I had a Tiger 800 and recently rode the Tiger 900. They are fantastic bikes. You chose wisely. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your absolutely right cause I don’t even know what an “adv enthusiast” is, I’m assuming it’s someone with luggage racks and a 1 peice suit that hits up gravel or dirt roads. But I could be wrong. My point was not to dog the your beloved Harley pan am but when I decided to get into street I literally looked at everything I could. The pan ams I looked at were 34” seat height and probably well over 560lb and priced in the low to mid $20k. But I think what you’re saying is harley is responsible for the adv bikes getting bigger, heavier and more expensive? I bought a tiger cause it was priced right, light and pretty fast(faster after tune). I like the upright position of the adv bikes, as long as they’re still light and flickable but I ain’t going on an adventure on them, i got a little mx track and tried riding berms and that’s a no go. Jumping over small bumps.. sure. Running across fields, yea..but the heavier you get the less true off-roady you get.Honestly I probably should go naked and may. Again…the Harley is lighter than the GS and cost less that the KTM 1290, BMW 1250, or comparable Triumph Tiger 1200. It also sits much, much lower than any of the other three thanks to the ride lowering tech. I am going to be honest. I was excited about the BMW 1300 because it looked like it was rumored it was going to get lighter…but now it looks like it is going to get even heavier though it’s unconfirmed. That means that my next big ADV bike will likely be the Harley. It handles great and I watched a dude ride one like it was a 300 pound dirt bike. Now I am not that guy, but at least I will know it is me and not the bike. ETA: I had a Tiger 800 and recently rode the Tiger 900. They are fantastic bikes. You chose wisely. What do you mean lowering tech? The pan ams at the dealer where crazy tall, same with the 1290, even the 890 and norden where too tall for me. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:07:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again…the Harley is lighter than the GS and cost less that the KTM 1290, BMW 1250, or comparable Triumph Tiger 1200. It also sits much, much lower than any of the other three thanks to the ride lowering tech. I am going to be honest. I was excited about the BMW 1300 because it looked like it was rumored it was going to get lighter…but now it looks like it is going to get even heavier though it’s unconfirmed. That means that my next big ADV bike will likely be the Harley. It handles great and I watched a dude ride one like it was a 300 pound dirt bike. Now I am not that guy, but at least I will know it is me and not the bike. ETA: I had a Tiger 800 and recently rode the Tiger 900. They are fantastic bikes. You chose wisely. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your absolutely right cause I don’t even know what an “adv enthusiast” is, I’m assuming it’s someone with luggage racks and a 1 peice suit that hits up gravel or dirt roads. But I could be wrong. My point was not to dog the your beloved Harley pan am but when I decided to get into street I literally looked at everything I could. The pan ams I looked at were 34” seat height and probably well over 560lb and priced in the low to mid $20k. But I think what you’re saying is harley is responsible for the adv bikes getting bigger, heavier and more expensive? I bought a tiger cause it was priced right, light and pretty fast(faster after tune). I like the upright position of the adv bikes, as long as they’re still light and flickable but I ain’t going on an adventure on them, i got a little mx track and tried riding berms and that’s a no go. Jumping over small bumps.. sure. Running across fields, yea..but the heavier you get the less true off-roady you get.Honestly I probably should go naked and may. Again…the Harley is lighter than the GS and cost less that the KTM 1290, BMW 1250, or comparable Triumph Tiger 1200. It also sits much, much lower than any of the other three thanks to the ride lowering tech. I am going to be honest. I was excited about the BMW 1300 because it looked like it was rumored it was going to get lighter…but now it looks like it is going to get even heavier though it’s unconfirmed. That means that my next big ADV bike will likely be the Harley. It handles great and I watched a dude ride one like it was a 300 pound dirt bike. Now I am not that guy, but at least I will know it is me and not the bike. ETA: I had a Tiger 800 and recently rode the Tiger 900. They are fantastic bikes. You chose wisely. What do you mean lowering tech? The pan ams at the dealer where crazy tall, same with the 1290, even the 890 and norden where too tall for me. As for the tigers, the 850/900’s just feel great to me. Not heavy, i can flat foot, and with a tune it should be 100+ hp…. I hope. As for the pan am or equivalent bmw, those are not in my wheel house anyways. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:13:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you mean lowering tech? The pan ams at the dealer where crazy tall, same with the 1290, even the 890 and norden where too tall for me. The Pan Americas do have a lowering technology that can be activated. I believe they lower the bike a bit over 1 1/2" as you are coming to a stop. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:27:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Pan Americas do have a lowering technology that can be activated. I believe they lower the bike a bit over 1 1/2" as you are coming to a stop. It’s absolutely trick. You don’t even know it is happening. It sits lower than all the rest of the ADV bikes and yet you keep a more spacious cockpit. I would need to sit on them side by side but I believe it is the same or lower than the Tiger 900. Way lower than my GSA. And that is with the standard seat. For the record, I am 5’10”. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 6:49:26 PM EST
[#21]
Honda Africa Twin
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:01:42 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Pan Americas do have a lowering technology that can be activated. I believe they lower the bike a bit over 1 1/2" as you are coming to a stop. They sit at like 32" when the suspension is doing it's "thing" - when you're riding; it turns it up to like 35" |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:04:25 PM EST
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My first post in this thread I voted GS…and still lean that way.
But I have to throw out there one consideration. Dealership network. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:06:35 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My first post in this thread I voted GS and still lean that way. But I have to throw out there one consideration. Dealership network. That's the same reason if I were doing pavement only, a Harley would be at the top of the list, even though a Gold Wing is probably better highway. Harley Dealers are fucking everywhere. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:29:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They sit at like 32" when the suspension is doing it's "thing" - when you're riding; it turns it up to like 35" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Pan Americas do have a lowering technology that can be activated. I believe they lower the bike a bit over 1 1/2" as you are coming to a stop. They sit at like 32" when the suspension is doing it's "thing" - when you're riding; it turns it up to like 35" No doubt it’s a beautiful bike. I’m not sure of the 32” thing, but i will be going to the Harley dealer soon as i think they are one of the only dynojet places and want to get my bike dyno’d after the tune. I’ll spend a little more time with it as i just seen its a 150hp machine. But i cant see me paying 20k plus for a bike…   Harley just wont get away from the v twin I guess. Keeps its skinney but doesnt have the rip of an inline 3 or 4. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 9:44:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Harley just wont get away from the v twin I guess. Keeps its skinney but doesnt have the rip of an inline 3 or 4. Say what? Don't tell KTM and Ducati |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 9:45:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No doubt it's a beautiful bike. I'm not sure of the 32" thing, but i will be going to the Harley dealer soon as i think they are one of the only dynojet places and want to get my bike dyno'd after the tune. I'll spend a little more time with it as i just seen its a 150hp machine. But i cant see me paying 20k plus for a bike https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/445788/IMG_0590-2841603.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/445788/IMG_0591-2841604.jpg Harley just wont get away from the v twin I guess. Keeps its skinney but doesnt have the rip of an inline 3 or 4. That's the base model, which starts at like $16,500. I don't believe it has the adaptive suspension. It's a stripped down version to keep costs low. The special is another ~2k (iirc $19500 MSRP) and has the fancy pants suspension and a few performance differences (switchable mapping, hill hold control, offroad mode [disables abs], TPMS, factory skid plates, etc). Another thing I would (personally) spring for is the laced wheels rather than forged; but I'll let more experienced with offroad touring like Canoeguy chime in on that. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 9:48:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the base model, which starts at like $16,500. I don't believe it has the adaptive suspension. It's a stripped down version to keep costs low. The special is another ~2k (iirc $19500 MSRP) and has the fancy pants suspension and a few performance differences (switchable mapping, hill hold control, offroad mode [disables abs], TPMS, factory skid plates, etc). Another thing I would (personally) spring for is the laced wheels rather than forged; but I'll let more experienced with offroad touring like Canoeguy chime in on that. This exactly. And a flagship BMW, KTM or Triumph will cost you more. But that’s just what all big ADV bikes cost. I justify it by treating it as my main mode of transportation. In that respect it is much less than a 90,000 dollar pickup. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 1:10:24 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Big fat Goldwing. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 1:48:52 AM EST
[#30]
 2023 Goldwing. And there is no close second. No second at all I would say if its your only transport for that long. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 2:08:41 AM EST
[#31]
Rebel 1100TDCT
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:25:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery_A-L_16/honda-gold-wing-tour-automatic-dct-21-01.jpg 2023 Goldwing. And there is no close second. No second at all I would say if its your only transport for that long. I need to go back. #1 SD Rt 44 just past the Missouri River. #2 MAGA Monument number one. #3 Beartooth Pass #4 Motel Rapid City #5 Custer State Park - Black Hills #6 SD Rt 44 East edge of the Badlands. #7 GNP with haze courtesy of the Oregon forest fires. #8 Headed home - Rt 2 from Browning MT to where it meets I75 in the UP. Smoke haze nearly to MN. Early morning is bestest.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 11:29:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This exactly. And a flagship BMW, KTM or Triumph will cost you more. But that’s just what all big ADV bikes cost. I justify it by treating it as my main mode of transportation. In that respect it is much less than a 90,000 dollar pickup. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's the base model, which starts at like $16,500. I don't believe it has the adaptive suspension. It's a stripped down version to keep costs low. The special is another ~2k (iirc $19500 MSRP) and has the fancy pants suspension and a few performance differences (switchable mapping, hill hold control, offroad mode [disables abs], TPMS, factory skid plates, etc). Another thing I would (personally) spring for is the laced wheels rather than forged; but I'll let more experienced with offroad touring like Canoeguy chime in on that. This exactly. And a flagship BMW, KTM or Triumph will cost you more. But that’s just what all big ADV bikes cost. I justify it by treating it as my main mode of transportation. In that respect it is much less than a 90,000 dollar pickup. Pan-Am is the first Harley that's actually interested me, probably in forever, unless you count the Buell Ulysses. And yeah, bikes are expensive. I looked at a new VFR when I was looking for a new one, and was shocked. Went with a vstrom for cheap simplicity. Any of the big bikes are going to be spendy, and anyone looking for them to actually be a dirt bike is barking up the wrong tree. Think SUV vs an off-road custom buggy. Cut my teeth on UJMs from the 70's/80's, so I still like the upright seating position. That's what killls most cruisers for me. Sport bikes just kill me.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 11:39:07 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Say what? Don't tell KTM and Ducati This right here! ^^^ |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 11:47:45 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My first post in this thread I voted GS…and still lean that way. But I have to throw out there one consideration. Dealership network. BMW is getting pretty barren up here. A lot of good choices for KTM, potentially Trump as well although I haven't stopped in at the new Triumph place yet. Honda is everywhere. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 11:49:49 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BMW is getting pretty barren up here. A lot of good choices for KTM, potentially Trump as well although I haven't stopped in at the new Triumph place yet. Honda is everywhere. I see what you did there... |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:22:10 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Africa Twin Super Tenere KTM Adventure 890 or larger Africa Twin - maybe Super Tenere - your hands will be numb in 100 miles KTM Adventure 890 - wonderful bike but limited support/dealer network Having had all the above it pains me to admit the big BMW GS gets the pick - just so tough and reliable (right up until the final drive let’s you down but you can prevent that with maintenance) If all miles were on road I would pick a big HD - so reliable compared to years ago, super comfortable and an incredible dealer network. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:35:31 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Africa Twin - maybe Super Tenere - your hands will be numb in 100 miles KTM Adventure 890 - wonderful bike but limited support/dealer network Having had all the above it pains me to admit the big BMW GS gets the pick - just so tough and reliable (right up until the final drive let’s you down but you can prevent that with maintenance) If all miles were on road I would pick a big HD - so reliable compared to years ago, super comfortable and an incredible dealer network. There is a fairly well known issue with this. I had a friend who had to fight with BMW for nearly 6 mos to get them to repair his final drive under warranty. It was not pretty in the least. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:42:54 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a fairly well known issue with this. I had a friend who had to fight with BMW for nearly 6 mos to get them to repair his final drive under warranty. It was not pretty in the least. The pre-2013 had a real issue. The 2013 plus are good to go as long as you you do some quick and easy maintenance at tire changes. The current issue is condensation causing rust on the final drive splines. When I change my tires I just take an extra ten minutes and open the final drive case and clean and lube the splines. Mine have never had any rust. BMW has a recall out but I think the fix is kind of bullshit personally so I haven’t even bothered as it is just a little duck bill valve they insert into the drive to drain water. I don’t see it getting enough out to matter. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:45:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The pre-2013 had a real issue. The 2013 plus are good to go as long as you you do some quick and easy maintenance at tire changes. The current issue is condensation causing rust on the final drive splines. When I change my tires I just take an extra ten minutes and open the final drive case and clean and lube the splines. Mine have never had any rust. BMW has a recall out but I think the fix is kind of bullshit personally so I haven’t even bothered as it is just a little duck bill valve they insert into the drive to drain water. I don’t see it getting enough out to matter. That is exactly the problem my friend had. He had had other GS bikes and probably should have known of the issue. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:51:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Super Tenere - your hands will be numb in 100 miles  |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 10:22:59 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery_A-L_16/honda-gold-wing-tour-automatic-dct-21-01.jpg 2023 Goldwing. And there is no close second. No second at all I would say if its your only transport for that long. I need to go back. #1 SD Rt 44 just past the Missouri River. #2 MAGA Monument number one. #3 Beartooth Pass #4 Motel Rapid City #5 Custer State Park - Black Hills #6 SD Rt 44 East edge of the Badlands. #7 GNP with haze courtesy of the Oregon forest fires. #8 Headed home - Rt 2 from Browning MT to where it meets I75 in the UP. Smoke haze nearly to MN. Early morning is bestest. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/P7180056_JPG-2841892.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/P7190079_JPG-2841893.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/P7210165_JPG-2841894.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/IMG_4727_JPG-2841908.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/IMG_4892_JPG-2841917.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/IMG_4628_JPG-2841919.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/IMG_5651_JPG-2841929.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/IMG_5739_JPG-2841930.JPG Great shots. Great bike. |
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