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Posted: 10/27/2023 1:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't say "Likely" as everything is speculation at this point. It could be anything. I have recently seen first hand an undiagnosed brain tumor cause someone to turn into a completely different person with zero impulse control. The time from "Holy shit, this is not the person I know" to someone finding him dead in his house was only a couple of weeks. I'm a Bayesian practitioner that doesn't believe in brainstorming. I think the degreed and licensed experts failed this guy, his victims and are ultimately responsible for the carnage. Anyone that threatens to shoot up a US military base will find themselves facing a felony. Not this guy. He was set free by the authoritarian and MD idiots that want everyone to be treated as the least common denominator of mass murderer and hand over their guns. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 1:54:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was hoping to bow hunt today but 65F is too warm for me. Very pleasant to sit in the stand but I like to hang and butcher my deer after a few days. Need much cooler weather. I miss having a garage fridge where I could immediately quarter a deer and keep it chilled a few days to lose some moisture out of the meat before cut and wrapping. Drying your venison a touch makes a better product and avoids wet unpackable burgers. No telling what the guy’s logic might be. Perhaps he did cap himself mid river,.....but why? If you are going that route most just do it in the vehicle or walk a short distance in the woods. Been to a few of those self deaded in the woods calls. One spot three times.  . First hung himself over a break up, second was a despondent guy iirc post domestic. He set himself up a lawn chair in a loop just off the road and put a tactical 870 under his chin. Third walked back in the woods off that same loop and shot himself. I agree the mid river thing is weird. I just hope they find the fucker today somewhere dead. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 1:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a Bayesian practitioner that doesn't believe in brainstorming. I think the degreed and licensed experts failed this guy, his victims and are ultimately responsible for the carnage. Anyone that threatens to shoot up a US military base will find themselves facing a felony. Not this guy. He was set free by the authoritarian and MD idiots that want everyone to be treated as the least common denominator of mass murderer and hand over their guns. Bingo |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 1:56:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm a Bayesian practitioner that doesn't believe in brainstorming. I think the degreed and licensed experts failed this guy, his victims and are ultimately responsible for the carnage. Anyone that threatens to shoot up a US military base will find themselves facing a felony. Not this guy. He was set free by the authoritarian and MD idiots that want everyone to be treated as the least common denominator of mass murderer and hand over their guns. Bingo Ayup. Excellent post. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 1:59:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.wmtw.com/article/live-updates-lewiston-maine-mass-shooting-robert-card-october-27/45662444 Maine's deer hunting season is scheduled to begin on Saturday, amid the ongoing search for the suspect in the mass shootings in Lewiston, Maine. Maine's Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck said there are "conversations" taking place with the Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife. "I would expect to hear more about that later in the day," Maine's Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck said. "It's a big deal. We know what that's going to look like." "We also know we're in the woods," Sauschuck said. "If you just happen to be in the woods, minding your own business, going for a walk, that's going to make us a little concerned." https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/height/675/https://media.salon.com/2013/02/car_shot.jpg 
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:04:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a Bayesian practitioner that doesn't believe in brainstorming. I think the degreed and licensed experts failed this guy, his victims and are ultimately responsible for the carnage. Anyone that threatens to shoot up a US military base will find themselves facing a felony. Not this guy. He was set free by the authoritarian and MD idiots that want everyone to be treated as the least common denominator of mass murderer and hand over their guns. The Army is going to get sued for this, much like the Air Force did over Sutherland Springs. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:06:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Army is going to get sued for this, much like the Air Force did over Sutherland Springs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm a Bayesian practitioner that doesn't believe in brainstorming. I think the degreed and licensed experts failed this guy, his victims and are ultimately responsible for the carnage. Anyone that threatens to shoot up a US military base will find themselves facing a felony. Not this guy. He was set free by the authoritarian and MD idiots that want everyone to be treated as the least common denominator of mass murderer and hand over their guns. The Army is going to get sued for this, much like the Air Force did over Sutherland Springs. How did that turn out.. Did anyone lose their jobs? Large judgement? |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:09:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Army is going to get sued for this, much like the Air Force did over Sutherland Springs. Difference is one is straight neglect of reporting a conviction. This case is subjective as to what was going on and interpretation of the actual circumstances regarding the mental crisis. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:09:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did that turn out.. Did anyone lose their jobs? Large judgement? 144.5 million. Revamped military and local reporting of convictions |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did that turn out.. Did anyone lose their jobs? Large judgement? https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/05/sutherland-springs-lawsuit-air-force/ The U.S. Justice Department has reached a tentative $144.5 million settlement with victims and relatives of those killed in the 2017 mass shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, and plans to end its appeal of a lawsuit that found the U.S. Air Force partially responsible for the attack. In a July 2021 ruling, U.S. District Judge Xavier Rodriguez found the Air Force was “60 percent liable” for the attack. He cited the background check failures and other disturbing details uncovered at trial, including that Air Force officials were aware that the gunman had previously researched and threatened a mass shooting and had a history of severe mental health issues that led officials to declare him to be “dangerous” and “a threat” — information they did not share with others. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This shit happened back in the day as well. I think who considers what era to be "back in the day" is relevant to this conversation. If your back in the day was pre 1960's then no, there were not the mass shootings at the frequency and body count we have now. If your back in the day starts around Columbine then yes, mass shootings have been happening. Pretty safe to say we had less mass shootings from 1920 to 1970 (50 yrs) than we have had in the last couple of years. It just wasn't trendy....back in the day. And self-defense was not looked down upon. It was expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:11:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did that turn out.. Did anyone lose their jobs? Large judgement? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm a Bayesian practitioner that doesn't believe in brainstorming. I think the degreed and licensed experts failed this guy, his victims and are ultimately responsible for the carnage. Anyone that threatens to shoot up a US military base will find themselves facing a felony. Not this guy. He was set free by the authoritarian and MD idiots that want everyone to be treated as the least common denominator of mass murderer and hand over their guns. The Army is going to get sued for this, much like the Air Force did over Sutherland Springs. How did that turn out.. Did anyone lose their jobs? Large judgement? Tentative settlement of $144.5 million |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:13:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Army is going to get sued for this, much like the Air Force did over Sutherland Springs. they should be sued; but I don't think the Army leadership and their political bosses care, since there's no evidence that they do. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:17:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think who considers what era to be "back in the day" is relevant to this conversation. If your back in the day was pre 1960's then no, there were not the mass shootings at the frequency and body count we have now. If your back in the day starts around Columbine then yes, mass shootings have been happening. Pretty safe to say we had less mass shootings from 1920 to 1970 (50 yrs) than we have had in the last couple of years. It just wasn't trendy....back in the day. And self-defense was not looked down upon. It was expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States I can't recall the backstory, but I remember a thread in GD having to do with a school shooter threat in the 70's. There were pics of students guarding the classrooms with the deer rifles/shotguns they had in their vehicles. Someone in this thread will know what I'm referring to, I'm sure. It was a different world back then. Interesting how mass shooting events started to become far more commonplace during the Clinton administration 
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:17:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think who considers what era to be "back in the day" is relevant to this conversation. If your back in the day was pre 1960's then no, there were not the mass shootings at the frequency and body count we have now. If your back in the day starts around Columbine then yes, mass shootings have been happening. Pretty safe to say we had less mass shootings from 1920 to 1970 (50 yrs) than we have had in the last couple of years. It just wasn't trendy....back in the day. And self-defense was not looked down upon. It was expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This shit happened back in the day as well. I think who considers what era to be "back in the day" is relevant to this conversation. If your back in the day was pre 1960's then no, there were not the mass shootings at the frequency and body count we have now. If your back in the day starts around Columbine then yes, mass shootings have been happening. Pretty safe to say we had less mass shootings from 1920 to 1970 (50 yrs) than we have had in the last couple of years. It just wasn't trendy....back in the day. And self-defense was not looked down upon. It was expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States Account for population total and density thereof and it paints a different picture. As far as it seems to me - people are like grasshoppers. Pack enough together in a small enough area and the behavior flips. You end up with locusts. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:18:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they should be sued; but I don't think the Army leadership and their political bosses care, since there's no evidence that they do. every federal bureau has a flagrant disregard for liability I mean, it's our money, what's it to them? |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:22:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: every federal bureau has a flagrant disregard for liability I mean, it's our money, what's it to them? Yep. They have a flagrant disregard for rights and the law also. It's disgusting. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:22:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't recall the backstory, but I remember a thread in GD having to do with a school shooter threat in the 70's. There were pics of students guarding the classrooms with the deer rifles/shotguns they had in their vehicles. Someone in this thread will know what I'm referring to, I'm sure. It was a different world back then. Interesting how mass shooting events started to become far more commonplace during the Clinton administration 
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:24:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't recall the backstory, but I remember a thread in GD having to do with a school shooter threat in the 70's. There were pics of students guarding the classrooms with the deer rifles/shotguns they had in their vehicles. Someone in this thread will know what I'm referring to, I'm sure. It was a different world back then. Interesting how mass shooting events started to become far more commonplace during the Clinton administration That sounds about right. I was in jr high and high school in the 70's and mass shootings just were not happening enough or at all to even really be a topic. All of my uncles and my grandads had rifles and shotguns in wood racks on the walls or in closets. Firearms were not the forbidden fruit yet. And the mass retardation we currently see hadn't surfaced yet either. It's a brave new world for sure. Que the All in the Family theme song. 
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:27:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like police surrounded some poor couple walking their dog. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Police have someone on the ground, live on FOX Looks like police surrounded some poor couple walking their dog. Did the dog survive? |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:27:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Account for population total and density thereof and it paints a different picture. As far as it seems to me - people are like grasshoppers. Pack enough together in a small enough area and the behavior flips. You end up with locusts. Or mice... see Universe 25 |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryJeramiah Johnson head nod of approval Gif here. It's not the same around here with Jerimiah gone.
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:28:10 PM EDT
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He went for soft targets. I don't believe they can carry were alcohol is served.
Every time they make a law it kills someone. I could be wrong if so I apologize. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:30:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jeramiah Johnson head nod of approval Gif here. It's not the same around here with Jerimiah gone. Here ya' go . . . 
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:30:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:32:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:32:51 PM EDT
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I know this is a wild idea but hear me out. What if there was a well regulated and trained group of local men that were not law enforcement but could respond to events that put the community in great danger that required large amounts of armed people to resolve quickly?
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:33:01 PM EDT
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Youd think they would have done that already, like looking the water by the boat launch.
Which apparently they're just now doing 
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:34:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this is a wild idea but hear me out. What if there was a well regulated and trained group of local men that were not law enforcement but could respond to events that put the community in great danger that required large amounts of armed people to resolve quickly?  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:35:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAyup, that's the one. I went through junior high and high school in the late 90's/early 2000's. Bringing a gun to school = campus wide lockdown, felony arrest, your name and face in the news and expulsion. No one ever brought one to the best of my knowledge. Having a simple pocket knife would lead to suspension and a call to the cops at minimum. Cops coming in once a month with K9s to sniff out weed in lockers was the norm. The college I went to wouldn't even allow carry of OC spray
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:37:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here ya' go . . . https://media.tenor.com/J5A9wZzn3ZYAAAAC/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson.gif That's more like it. Thanks! 
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this is a wild idea but hear me out. What if there was a well regulated and trained group of local men that were not law enforcement but could respond to events that put the community in great danger that required large amounts of armed people to resolve quickly? 
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:42:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Youd think they would have done that already, like looking the water by the boat launch. Which apparently they're just now doing I’m sure they’ve heard of Garmin up there in Maine. My neighbor is an FWC officer and has recovered submerged bodies using LiveScope sonar. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/05/sutherland-springs-lawsuit-air-force/ The U.S. Justice Department has reached a tentative $144.5 million settlement with victims and relatives of those killed in the 2017 mass shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, and plans to end its appeal of a lawsuit that found the U.S. Air Force partially responsible for the attack. In a July 2021 ruling, U.S. District Judge Xavier Rodriguez found the Air Force was “60 percent liable” for the attack. He cited the background check failures and other disturbing details uncovered at trial, including that Air Force officials were aware that the gunman had previously researched and threatened a mass shooting and had a history of severe mental health issues that led officials to declare him to be “dangerous” and “a threat” — information they did not share with others. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How did that turn out.. Did anyone lose their jobs? Large judgement? https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/05/sutherland-springs-lawsuit-air-force/ The U.S. Justice Department has reached a tentative $144.5 million settlement with victims and relatives of those killed in the 2017 mass shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, and plans to end its appeal of a lawsuit that found the U.S. Air Force partially responsible for the attack. In a July 2021 ruling, U.S. District Judge Xavier Rodriguez found the Air Force was “60 percent liable” for the attack. He cited the background check failures and other disturbing details uncovered at trial, including that Air Force officials were aware that the gunman had previously researched and threatened a mass shooting and had a history of severe mental health issues that led officials to declare him to be “dangerous” and “a threat” — information they did not share with others. Thanks! |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:46:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sure they’ve heard of Garmin up there in Maine. My neighbor is an FWC officer and has recovered submerged bodies using LiveScope sonar. There's a Garmin office (not their HQ, but still significant) in Yarmouth. It's home to the world's largest model of earth - Eartha. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:49:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:50:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this is a wild idea but hear me out. What if there was a well regulated and trained group of local men that were not law enforcement but could respond to events that put the community in great danger that required large amounts of armed people to resolve quickly? Wasn't there recently a posse formed to look for that escaped convict in Pennsylvania, or was that some other recent place? |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:50:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ayup, that's the one. I went through junior high and high school in the late 90's/early 2000's. Bringing a gun to school = campus wide lockdown, felony arrest, your name and face in the news and expulsion. No one ever brought one to the best of my knowledge. Having a simple pocket knife would lead to suspension and a call to the cops at minimum. Cops coming in once a month with K9s to sniff out weed in lockers was the norm. The college I went to wouldn't even allow carry of OC spray I graduated high school 1989. My chemistry teacher asked to borrow my knife once. In grade school, you weren't cool if you didn't have a Buck in a sheath on your belt. Hell, the school I attended as a freshmen had a smoking lounge for students. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:51:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ayup, that's the one. I went through junior high and high school in the late 90's/early 2000's. Bringing a gun to school = campus wide lockdown, felony arrest, your name and face in the news and expulsion. No one ever brought one to the best of my knowledge. Having a simple pocket knife would lead to suspension and a call to the cops at minimum. Cops coming in once a month with K9s to sniff out weed in lockers was the norm. The college I went to wouldn't even allow carry of OC spray Quote HistoryQuoted: Ayup, that's the one. I went through junior high and high school in the late 90's/early 2000's. Bringing a gun to school = campus wide lockdown, felony arrest, your name and face in the news and expulsion. No one ever brought one to the best of my knowledge. Having a simple pocket knife would lead to suspension and a call to the cops at minimum. Cops coming in once a month with K9s to sniff out weed in lockers was the norm. The college I went to wouldn't even allow carry of OC spray Graduated high school early 80s. We had a gun club. Weekly, after school meetings. Anyone could attend. Gun safety, cleaning and maintenance were covered for anyone wanting to show up. Once a month, members went to the range in a school owned van. It was not unusual to see guys walking through the halls after school with gun cases, slung rifles or holstered handguns headed for the meeting room. What our schools have turned in to sucks out loud. 
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:51:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Ayup, that's the one. I went through junior high and high school in the late 90's/early 2000's. Bringing a gun to school = campus wide lockdown, felony arrest, your name and face in the news and expulsion. No one ever brought one to the best of my knowledge. Having a simple pocket knife would lead to suspension and a call to the cops at minimum. Cops coming in once a month with K9s to sniff out weed in lockers was the norm. The college I went to wouldn't even allow carry of OC spray I'm probably the same age as you. I remember all those things. I started HS in a podunk mountain town in Washington and we had the dogs come through for weed but never any guns that I remember. When I got back to Florida though, it happened quite a bit. Mainly hoodrats doing hoodrat shit though. I hear some people may or may not have carried their concealed handgun to their local college classes on more than one occasion. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 2:57:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't there recently a posse formed to look for that escaped convict in Pennsylvania, or was that some other recent place? I thought that was just that one GD member.
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:02:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So is it like GA, you are free to ignore posted signs and CCW and if they happen to see your gun, they can ask you to leave? And then only if you do not leave, you are trespassing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gun free zones do not lawfully mean anything in Maine aside from the usual places like federal buildings and a few other particular areas. So is it like GA, you are free to ignore posted signs and CCW and if they happen to see your gun, they can ask you to leave? And then only if you do not leave, you are trespassing? Nope. Per my post way above  , if the place is posted, you can't carry:From the NRA ILA Web site re Maine, under Possession : It is unlawful for a person, other than a law enforcement officer or a private investigator, to possess a firearm in a liquor-licensed establishment that is posted to prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms. It is unlawful for any person to possess a firearm while under the influence in such an establishment. In addition to other penalties, a person convicted of a violation faces revocation of any carry permit and remains ineligible to obtain or apply for a permit to carry a concealed firearm for five years from the date of that conviction. 17-A M.R.S.A. § 1057. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:04:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm probably the same age as you. I remember all those things. I started HS in a podunk mountain town in Washington and we had the dogs come through for weed but never any guns that I remember. When I got back to Florida though, it happened quite a bit. Mainly hoodrats doing hoodrat shit though. I hear some people may or may not have carried their concealed handgun to their local college classes on more than one occasion. In 2009 I went back to college to finish my degree. They had their little signs and I had loose fitting shirts.  The on campus security guards plan for an active shooter was to run to a safe location and call 911. I know that because they actually told me that. Ain't nobody coming to save you in this world. Plan accordingly. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:04:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He went for soft targets The Softest. Possible. Targets. A kid’s bowling league and a deaf cornhole group. I’m really not buying his sister-in-law’s explanation about him retaliating on people he thinks were talking about him, either, kids and deaf people don’t do that much. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:05:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:06:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:08:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Graduated high school early 80s. We had a gun club. Weekly, after school meetings. Anyone could attend. Gun safety, cleaning and maintenance were covered for anyone wanting to show up. Once a month, members went to the range in a school owned van. It was not unusual to see guys walking through the halls after school with gun cases, slung rifles or holstered handguns headed for the meeting room. What our schools have turned in to sucks out loud. My high school on Long Island had a rifle range in the basement and it used to be a varsity sport! That was before my time though, mid ‘80s |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:08:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Youd think they would have done that already, like looking the water by the boat launch. Which apparently they're just now doing They seem pretty sure he hasn't left the area, maybe because they have no indicators that he did yet? Dude can't show his face anywhere, and if he's alive he'll have to eventually. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Several news sources are reporting that he used a 308 rifle, so technically it wasn't an AR-15. Not that it matters... i saw that mentioned a whole bunch of pages ago, 7.62x51 was mentioned. so that makes it an AR-10 type (large-frame AR). guessing it wouldn't be a SFAR. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:10:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who the hell could possibly want a gun for this situation that doesn't already have at least one???? When your local reps publicly state that they’re now going for a ban, this is the predictable result |
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