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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:12:22 PM EST
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So how do you use it? Chew the leaves, smoke it, make tea, rub it on your butt? 
But I just chew the leaves. Probably chewed the leaves about 2-3 times (they were alright,) I'm waiting for the tree to grow and mature before I judge it's potency. Most of my Kratom is dried leaf material that comes from Southeast Asia, the same way everyone else orders their Kratom. It's the difference between me spending my days in bed and me working 60-80hrs a week, spending time with my son and enjoying some quality of life without being a drugged out zombie that pops pills every couple hours. I feel human...with prescription narcotics, I felt something else- don't ever want to go back there. Some people really do need the pills, I don't judge them- but I manage well with Kratom. Would rather feel functional than high or tweaked out, any day of the week. |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:20:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go troll somewhere else, we love freedom in here and especially freedom from prescription opioid narcotics. If opium poppies are your thing, have at it- be be advised there is a long sad history with their use. I dis-advise. 
Brown man plant bad, white man plant good Ok got it |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:24:43 PM EST
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You say you love freedom but you agree with another plant being outlawed because your plant is superior? Kratom doesn't even have beautiful flowers
Brown man plant bad, white man plant good Ok got it 
Go see if Walmart has any Poppy Seeds. Nobody is trying to outlaw them- and yet simple extraction from them yields morphine for druggies. My advice is not to do that- and to go a step further, if I wanted to legislate them, maybe you'd have a legitimate complaint. I don't want to legislate anything, but I think that some things are a really bad idea. I could be talking endless shit about prescription narcotics in this thread- but I don't- because some people can't have any quality of life without them and the addiction/tolerance/withdrawal is a lesser evil than their excruciating pain driving them to suicide. Not sure what you've got against Kratom, but whatever it is...someone has really misled you. |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:27:44 PM EST
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I've chewed a couple of leaves from it, they were decent. Red/Green/White depends on the stage of maturity. So far from what I've observed, the red vein leaves are early and immature...they turn green as they approach maturity...and then white as they reach the final stage of maturity. I think it has more to do with the stage of growth than the genetic diversity of the species- although there ARE some very well known variants like Red Thai and White Horned that seem to offer more potent mature leaves in relation to the vein color. I can think of a lot of ways that I'd rather die, but slowly turning in to a skeleton and going in to respiratory arrest on the same streets that I used to patrol is not one of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Red, green or white?... Red/Green/White depends on the stage of maturity. So far from what I've observed, the red vein leaves are early and immature...they turn green as they approach maturity...and then white as they reach the final stage of maturity. I think it has more to do with the stage of growth than the genetic diversity of the species- although there ARE some very well known variants like Red Thai and White Horned that seem to offer more potent mature leaves in relation to the vein color. I can think of a lot of ways that I'd rather die, but slowly turning in to a skeleton and going in to respiratory arrest on the same streets that I used to patrol is not one of them. |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:31:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A-ha! Didn't know that. I thought it was a strain-specific trait. Neat info... It drives me crazy that people don't realize Mitragyna is a relative of the plants their coffee comes from. Seriously- you've got someone right now, somewhere, who is sipping coffee and simultaneously thinking "We must ban this Kratom bullshit for the good of all mankind!" @cochraneap
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:47:55 PM EST
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You say you love freedom but you agree with another plant being outlawed because your plant is superior? Kratom doesn't even have beautiful flowers
Brown man plant bad, white man plant good Ok got it You do realize that (Southeast Asian) Thai people aren't white- right?? Are you late for a BLM demonstration somewhere? And really, bro? What's this mess about how Kratom doesn't have beautiful flowers? Why you trollin' though? It seems pretty fuckin' symmetrical to me. 
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:52:23 PM EST
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This thread has now devolved to arguing the merits of and government responsibility to regulate a plant based on how pretty it's flowers are
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:52:26 PM EST
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What is a common/standard dose? How often?...
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:54:06 PM EST
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Dunno, but I use a handy free phone app called PlantNet. You take a photo of the plant (leaf, flower, whatever), geolocation is noted and used in the database lookup, and voila! |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:54:07 PM EST
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This thread has now devolved to arguing the merits of and government responsibility to regulate a plant based on how pretty it's flowers are
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Posted: 6/1/2018 10:56:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not weed, but it was almost banned by los federales. 
Another hint: It's native to Southeast Asia. I'd be an interested customer if it was readily available here. I hear good things about Kratom and pain relief. |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 11:10:25 PM EST
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It's damn hard to find here in the PI. I'd be an interested customer if it was readily available here. I hear good things about Kratom and pain relief. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It's not weed, but it was almost banned by los federales.
Another hint: It's native to Southeast Asia. I'd be an interested customer if it was readily available here. I hear good things about Kratom and pain relief. |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 11:13:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would the natives cut off your balls for that ? Pot needles are fairly hard to come by and it's rather dangerous even to try these days. |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 11:18:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still think there is something to it...some strains probably yield a stronger alkaloid profile specific to their genetic traits. I'd love to collect samples from every known variant/cultivar and have them tested. There are a few subspecies of Mitragyna that deserve some investigation. It drives me crazy that people don't realize Mitragyna is a relative of the plants their coffee comes from. Seriously- you've got someone right now, somewhere, who is sipping coffee and simultaneously thinking "We must ban this Kratom bullshit for the good of all mankind!" @cochraneap 
Nice pic, I used Kratom and the other natural medicine when I finally jumped off the Methadone train. It was not easy but it was a blessing during the w/d process. I have been on opiates for 20 yrs and Methadone 10 yrs. I am happy to report I am clean now and no longer in pain due to natural meds that I have a legit Rx for.  Many times my wife would have to give me a sternum rub in the middle of the night due to I quit breathing from the Methadone.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:11:34 AM EST
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OP, how about a cliffs version synopsis of that shit?
I can google it, but I'd rather hear your take. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 4:36:18 AM EST
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So how do you use it? Chew the leaves, smoke it, make tea, rub it on your butt? If you are brave enough. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 5:56:51 AM EST
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Hey OP, where did you get seeds from? I've been buying red bali capsules and im amazed at how well it works for pain relief and i am considering trying to grow a few plants. I just dont know where to get seeds.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:07:17 AM EST
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You can grow them in temperate areas? I thought they were strictly tropical.
I love kratom threads. People who have no idea what they're talking about hate it and are extremely confident in their ignorance, whereas people who have tried it say, "Are you stupid? Why would you want to ban this highly beneficial and totally harmless plant?" I use it quite often. I don't have chronic pain or anything, but it does help with anxiety. But unlike other drugs, it is not mind-altering or stupor-inducing at all. The strongest physical effect I've ever had from it is being slightly dizzy. Then just for curiousity's sake I took about 8 grams instead of the normal 2-3 grams, and all that happened was that I felt very uncomfortable and felt like I had had WAY too much coffee. |
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