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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:16:42 AM EST
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No questions. Sorry for you and your family.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:17:15 AM EST
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Did he start out popping pills (legally or illegally) or go straight to the H?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:18:51 AM EST
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No questions. Sorry for you and your family. If you think of something hit me up. I've got relatively thick skin and have dealt with him for awhile, I'm sure some folks here have questions about addicts and haven't really experienced it within their own family (thankfully). |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:20:18 AM EST
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How many times has he been Narcan'd?
Have you ever caught him thieving? Does he admit he had a problem? |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:20:48 AM EST
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I feel for you. My nephew has been a pill addict since about 22 or so.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:20:51 AM EST
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Did he start out popping pills (legally or illegally) or go straight to the H? I wouldn't say weed was a "gateway" to it. More like the company he kept that often associated with those behaviors. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:22:25 AM EST
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Sorry to hear. My bro was a druggy for a number of years. He eventually cleaned himself up after hitting rock bottom. I hope your brother does too.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:22:57 AM EST
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Close. Marijuana recreationally which progressed to oxys and hydro's. I wouldn't say weed was a "gateway" to it. More like the company he kept that often associated with those behaviors. That seems to be the course most take these days. Damn shame. Does he have any desire to kick it, or just full on junkie till it kills him? |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:23:01 AM EST
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How many times has he been Narcan'd? Have you ever caught him thieving? Does he admit he had a problem? Oh hell yes. I mean... which time? Which family member? Which random stranger? No, he denies he even uses. He's got tracks like a cross continent railroad though. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:26:00 AM EST
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That seems to be the course most take these days. Damn shame. Does he have any desire to kick it, or just full on junkie till it kills him? He's full on junkie, sadly. The most he's ever owned up to is experimenting with it... which is BS. My mom caught him red handed when he came to visit. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:27:15 AM EST
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I feel for you. My nephew has been a pill addict since about 22 or so. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:28:02 AM EST
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Yep. Last time he visited our parents he checked into the ER for some unverifiable pain. When they refused pills he showed his ass and left. He's full on junkie, sadly. The most he's ever owned up to is experimenting with it... which is BS. My mom caught him red handed when he came to visit. I'm sorry you have to put up with that shit. I have four brothers and only one is a dirtbag, in jail again for the 6th or 7th time. Even my dirtbag brother never got into hard drugs though, it would be hard to cut him out of my life all together but I ran around with a rough crowd of users in HS and I know how shitty and destructive addicts are. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:30:14 AM EST
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Sad and sorry.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:32:12 AM EST
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I'm sorry you have to put up with that shit. I have four brothers and only one is a dirtbag, in jail again for the 6th or 7th time. Even my dirtbag brother never got into hard drugs though, it would be hard to cut him out of my life all together but I ran around with a rough crowd of users in HS and I know how shitty and destructive addicts are. My brother has been to county a few times now, eventually he will get locked up. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:39:00 AM EST
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Appreciate it but not my choice or my families choice. If you think of something hit me up. I've got relatively thick skin and have dealt with him for awhile, I'm sure some folks here have questions about addicts and haven't really experienced it within their own family (thankfully). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No questions. Sorry for you and your family. If you think of something hit me up. I've got relatively thick skin and have dealt with him for awhile, I'm sure some folks here have questions about addicts and haven't really experienced it within their own family (thankfully). Worst day of my relationship with my nephew was when I had to seriously resist the urge to knock my nephew out in my own driveway. On second thought I guess it was the day I disowned him. Told his fucked up buddy to get his shit out of my garage as my nephew was dead to me. I was like an idol to these kids growing up and had to just sit back and watch them all turn into monsters. Its been 10yrs and hes finally starting to get his shit together. Good luck to you. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:40:16 AM EST
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Someone is enabling his ass, have you had the "come to Jesus " moment with the whole family ,
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:41:19 AM EST
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Ok question time. Does he have a criminal record? Probation?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:42:22 AM EST
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Close. Marijuana recreationally which progressed to oxys and hydro's. I wouldn't say weed was a "gateway" to it. More like the company he kept that often associated with those behaviors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did he start out popping pills (legally or illegally) or go straight to the H? I wouldn't say weed was a "gateway" to it. More like the company he kept that often associated with those behaviors. ETA: Sorry for your situation. I hope he gets help if he wants it. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:45:26 AM EST
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“Antonio shot heroin into his balls again today, this time he says it was an accident"
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:50:00 AM EST
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Is it a disease or a choice in your opinion?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:58:43 AM EST
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I know that people here will disagree with me but in my 12 years of police work I have asked every single person I have arrested for drugs what the first drug they ever used was...99.9% say marijuana. ETA: Sorry for your situation. I hope he gets help if he wants it. I believe that, but if you asked them about the first time they got intoxicated, what they used, 99.9% will say alcohol. I was smoking tons of weed in high school, but I was drinking before that... |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:01:21 AM EST
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Close. Marijuana recreationally which progressed to oxys and hydro's. I wouldn't say weed was a "gateway" to it. More like the company he kept that often associated with those behaviors. I'd say the difference is in mindset. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:01:42 AM EST
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Ok question time. Does he have a criminal record? Probation? Edit: He keeps his illicit behaviors on the down low when on probation. He does not like being locked up and he's never done more than 30 days (I think). |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:03:01 AM EST
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Did he smoke weed before getting it? Gateway drug yo.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:04:32 AM EST
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Is it a disease or a choice in your opinion? My dad taught me if you hang around shit long enough you eventually smell like it. You can absolutely apply that to my brother. He chose poor friends and ended up following. He's never been much of a leader and you can see the direct influence that's had on his life. IMO that disease talk usually comes from empty headed liberals and enabling family members of an addict looking for something to blame. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:06:16 AM EST
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I know that people here will disagree with me but in my 12 years of police work I have asked every single person I have arrested for drugs what the first drug they ever used was...99.9% say marijuana. ETA: Sorry for your situation. I hope he gets help if he wants it. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:06:23 AM EST
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I feel worse for my parents as I've pretty much written him off as I would any random junkie. I've learned that you aren't fixing them unless they have some desire to change. Sorry about your brother, pray he doesn't go into the hard stuff. My brother has been to county a few times now, eventually he will get locked up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry you have to put up with that shit. I have four brothers and only one is a dirtbag, in jail again for the 6th or 7th time. Even my dirtbag brother never got into hard drugs though, it would be hard to cut him out of my life all together but I ran around with a rough crowd of users in HS and I know how shitty and destructive addicts are. My brother has been to county a few times now, eventually he will get locked up. It goes from trying to feel good to trying to feel nothing over the guilt, to trying to just feel nothing because everybody is pissed. Something has to break that cycle, and an inpatient care for 8 weeks should do it. If you have insurance, a private clinic will make sure he doesn't go through withdrawalhell, and if you don't, the public rehab will make him go through withdrawal hell, which may be more effective. This is from stuff I've heard, no direct experience with it, but it is becoming a nationwide issue. Try to get him before he's a felon, after that, well, he'll end himself. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:08:41 AM EST
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I know that people here will disagree with me but in my 12 years of police work I have asked every single person I have arrested for drugs what the first drug they ever used was...99.9% say marijuana. ETA: Sorry for your situation. I hope he gets help if he wants it. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:09:45 AM EST
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Probably because they were hanging around shitbags who all went onto harder stuff. I bet many of them were drinking around the same time too eh? I also think that the comparison between alcohol and marijuana is laughable. I don't do either do I have no dog in that fight. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:12:18 AM EST
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I believe that, but if you asked them about the first time they got intoxicated, what they used, 99.9% will say alcohol. I was smoking tons of weed in high school, but I was drinking before that... There's an invisible line between weed and booze. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just that it exists. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:12:35 AM EST
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when or if he decides to get clean, it has to be in a rehab that is outside the state.
then he cannot come back to his old hood. he'll start right back up again. I've watched countless junkies, including a family member, go through rehab, get clean, only to go back to their old hood and old friends and old routines and they slide right back into the needle. Best of luck but until he wants to change, nothing will change. You're not wrong cutting him out. Be there for your parents, but give him nothing good luck |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:13:31 AM EST
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Someone is enabling his ass, have you had the "come to Jesus " moment with the whole family , |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:17:00 AM EST
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Yea, the govt is enabling him. Every time he gets busted for stealing or drug possession they toss him back onto the street where he commits all the same crimes again. He needs to get locked up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone is enabling his ass, have you had the "come to Jesus " moment with the whole family , |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:17:04 AM EST
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Did he smoke weed before getting it? Gateway drug yo. Hes not a leader and picked really shitty friends not understanding the effect they'd have on him or his choices. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:19:34 AM EST
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He did but again, I don't consider it a gateway drug. 
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:20:05 AM EST
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Don't sit around waiting for him to do something incredibly stupid. Take him for a drive, to the emergency room, and explain his problem. He'll get shuffled to the correct area to get real help. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:22:18 AM EST
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I have a cousin who is like a brother to me, who spent several years of his life addicted to meth. Tried to get clean several times, finally got a bus ticket direct to rehab when he was about to be killed by it.
What blew me away was that he had never heard that meth was an almost guaranteed addiction. He thought it was just stronger than pot, so when someone offered, he gave it a shot. The first time he smoked it, he enjoyed it, so he soon tried it again. The second time he was hooked, and disappeared from our lives for several years into a deep spiral that included cooking, selling, and transporting meth. That has always interested me - how do some of these smart guys that get hooked, not know what can of worms they're opening? They just don't care? I'll never understand that absolute need to get high. My cousin has been clean for almost 15 years and is now a very successful guy living a good life, I hope your brother can find his way out as well. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:22:22 AM EST
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I feel your pain OP. I have a step sister (shes 55ish now) that got addicted to that stuff prob 20 years ago. obviously fucked her life up. thankfully she was able to get off that but not after 10-15 bad years of it. shes just a shell of what she was and burned all her bridges.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:24:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryMy dad made (not related to my brother, nor around him in any way/shape/form) smoked MJ for years. He ran a successful construction company on the east coast, I grew up as an upper middle class white kid in an upscale portion of NJ. I also never developed any interest in MJ beyond trying it 2x while at high school parties. Weed does factor in. Also, please don't turn my thread into a pissing Match about whether pot is a gateway drug. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:25:28 AM EST
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when was the last time he tried to bum money from you?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:25:40 AM EST
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He does but not for heroin. Misdemeanors for MJ as well as stays in County for vehicle theft and various vehicle burglaries. He hasn't graduated to home burglaries yet. Edit: He keeps his illicit behaviors on the down low when on probation. He does not like being locked up and he's never done more than 30 days (I think). |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:27:41 AM EST
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I have a cousin who is like a brother to me, who spent several years of his life addicted to meth. Tried to get clean several times, finally got a bus ticket direct to rehab when he was about to be killed by it. What blew me away was that he had never heard that meth was an almost guaranteed addiction. He thought it was just stronger than pot, so when someone offered, he gave it a shot. The first time he smoked it, he enjoyed it, so he soon tried it again. The second time he was hooked, and disappeared from our lives for several years into a deep spiral that included cooking, selling, and transporting meth. That has always interested me - how do some of these smart guys that get hooked, not know what can of worms they're opening? They just don't care? I'll never understand that absolute need to get high. My cousin has been clean for almost 15 years and is now a very successful guy living a good life, I hope your brother can find his way out as well. I don't believe my brother knew the can of worms he was opening. He was generally trusting and naive and he was never able to understand why our folks tried to steer him away from the people he wanted to hang with. Once he started quitting school sports it was all downhill from there, it free'd up time to turn into a shitbird. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:28:24 AM EST
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I know that people here will disagree with me but in my 12 years of police work I have asked every single person I have arrested for drugs what the first drug they ever used was...99.9% say marijuana. ETA: Sorry for your situation. I hope he gets help if he wants it. 1. Marijuana isn't as dreadful as it's made out to be. Once that fact is discovered, people wonder if the propaganda about all of the other stuff is bullshit, too. 2. Marijuana is illegal. Thus, if you want to acquire it you have to make contact with people who are willing to break the law. Once a person crosses that bridge, it's that much easier to cross the next. However, if marijuana were available from a convenience store, users wouldn't find it as easy to give something harder a little whirl. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:28:44 AM EST
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I know that people here will disagree with me but in my 12 years of police work I have asked every single person I have arrested for drugs what the first drug they ever used was...99.9% say marijuana. 50 years from now when the progressives are completely in control, cops are going to be saying "99.9% of drug users got started by using salt and chocolate, so it's a good thing those two things are illegal." |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:29:09 AM EST
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I have a cousin who is like a brother to me, who spent several years of his life addicted to meth. Tried to get clean several times, finally got a bus ticket direct to rehab when he was about to be killed by it. What blew me away was that he had never heard that meth was an almost guaranteed addiction. He thought it was just stronger than pot, so when someone offered, he gave it a shot. The first time he smoked it, he enjoyed it, so he soon tried it again. The second time he was hooked, and disappeared from our lives for several years into a deep spiral that included cooking, selling, and transporting meth. That has always interested me - how do some of these smart guys that get hooked, not know what can of worms they're opening? They just don't care? I'll never understand that absolute need to get high. My cousin has been clean for almost 15 years and is now a very successful guy living a good life, I hope your brother can find his way out as well. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:29:22 AM EST
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when was the last time he tried to bum money from you? He's always preferred to steal from people for his fix. Bumming money makes for uncomfortable questions. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:30:51 AM EST
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Me? He won't. His go to source of funding was my folks but they cut him off. He's not even allowed at their home anymore. He's always preferred to steal from people for his fix. Bumming money makes for uncomfortable questions. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:35:04 AM EST
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that sucks dude, but at least you know that you aren't part of the problem. I hope for his sake he does, its killing my stepdad (his dad). He's deff the hardest hit in all of this. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:41:10 AM EST
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Friends sister was, ran Dilaudid,
smack wasn't a consistently available thing in the burbs back then She was crazier and more evil as an alky after she got finally got off the shit after ten years Fucked family more than anything took here there |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 2:43:09 AM EST
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I told him flat out a month ago he would never be welcome in my home until he cleans his act up and I made it clear I'd be there to help him get clean. I hope for his sake he does, its killing my stepdad (his dad). He's deff the hardest hit in all of this. Woman I went to school with started up a support group, kinda similar to al-anon, it's been a huge help to a lot of people who's family members are addicts. |
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