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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:06:49 PM EST
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How many round clips per second can a ghost car spray?
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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:10:34 PM EST
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We're so free our Revised Code can call cops incompetent without getting a dose of hickory shampoo!  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does this skirt some kind of legislation? Like something about unmarked cars not being able to do traffic enforcement or something? Depends on your state's laws. For instance, in Ohio, a police officer who is in an unmarked vehicle is incompetent to testify in a traffic case. 4549.13 Marking and equipment for motor vehicle used by traffic enforcement officers.
Any motor vehicle used by a member of the state highway patrol or by any other peace officer, while said officer is on duty for the exclusive or main purpose of enforcing the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor, shall be marked in some distinctive manner or color and shall be equipped with, but need not necessarily have in operation at all times, at least one flashing, oscillating, or rotating colored light mounted outside on top of the vehicle. The superintendent of the state highway patrol shall specify what constitutes such a distinctive marking or color for the state highway patrol. 4549.14 Incompetency of officer as witness. Any officer arresting, or participating or assisting in the arrest of, a person charged with violating the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor, such officer being on duty exclusively or for the main purpose of enforcing such laws, is incompetent to testify as a witness in any prosecution against such arrested person if such officer at the time of the arrest was using a motor vehicle not marked in accordance with section 4549.13 of the Revised Code. I like living in a free state.  We're so free our Revised Code can call cops incompetent without getting a dose of hickory shampoo! lot's of latitude in those words |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:15:06 PM EST
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This is the kind of bullshit that turns a police force into a type of Police State. Why do police officers wear military uniforms, they are not on the battlefield, and the camouflage they wear does not blend in with the territory they work in. Police departments have turned into quasi military organizations, and that is not the kind of country I want to live in. I understand the job is getting more dangerous, but every day police officers wear a traditional uniform, they are recognizable as such, and they carry out their daily duties effectively. Understand that plain clothes officer's were once a luxury, but adapting with times made them blend in more with the civilian population so they could do their jobs better, and safer. Combat uniforms should not be used by police officers, no matter what job they perform. If they were to adapt the police uniform to fill varying roles more in a more effective manner, I'm fine with that. Ex: Riot gear uniforms, Nomex flight suits for pilots. Multicam, MARPAT, etc... are not their work attire, nor should it be. Automobiles that are not used in undercover duties should be clearly marked, you shouldn't put a cherry on top, but this "ghost" marking is wrong, and will result in someone "running" because they think a fake cop is trying something. In fact it has happened before Google it. When a police officer shoots someone for using their vehicle as a missile, notice how the news always reports suspect fled hitting marked police vehicles. Using a "ghost" car could result in a criminal escaping justice because they were not marked. Google it, it has happened before. My 2 cents, you don't have to like it, read, or respond to it. I stopped reading after "Police State". |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:15:44 PM EST
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OH NOES!
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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:16:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it so odd to assume there is a benefit from drivers paying more attention to their surroundings and driving slower because they don't know if a stealthy police vehicle might be in the flow of traffic? That seems so rational I can't believe some are disputing or arguing about it. Unless the officers are making up the reason for the stop and then writing fictitious tickets...I don't get the angst. You say that like they don't already. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:18:36 PM EST
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Exactly, are the police so desperate to find crime that they have to conceal themselves. Rhetorical, for those in the "approve of" camp. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:19:20 PM EST
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In the first hundred days of the Screechjet Administration, I'm going to turn New Jersey from a state into a federal territory and use it as a CALFEX MOUT town until it's fit for human habitation. Nothing like a dictatorship to make things right.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:20:33 PM EST
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Is it so odd to assume there is a benefit from drivers paying more attention to their surroundings and driving slower because they don't know if a stealthy police vehicle might be in the flow of traffic? That seems so rational I can't believe some are disputing or arguing about it. Unless the officers are making up the reason for the stop and then writing fictitious tickets...I don't get the angst. You say that like they don't already. Only for neckbeards. I am looking for cheetos. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:24:45 PM EST
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Tennessee highway patrol uses fully marked and lightbarred semi trailers to get texters... is this considered acceptable by GD since it is fully marked? I say yes.. if some driver doesn't notice a THP semi, they're probably texting...
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Posted: 5/22/2015 3:28:11 PM EST
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Is it so odd to assume there is a benefit from drivers paying more attention to their surroundings and driving slower because they don't know if a stealthy police vehicle might be in the flow of traffic? That seems so rational I can't believe some are disputing or arguing about it. Unless the officers are making up the reason for the stop and then writing fictitious tickets...I don't get the angst. You say that like they don't already. I caught one! |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 4:00:25 PM EST
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Tennessee highway patrol uses fully marked and lightbarred semi trailers to get texters... is this considered acceptable by GD since it is fully marked? I say yes.. if some driver doesn't notice a THP semi, they're probably texting...
http://www.stategazette.com/photos/22/79/63/2279633-L.jpg If they have a '77 TransAm with lights to escort him around, I'll be the first to applaud. Bonus points if his K9 partner is a basset hound. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 4:02:18 PM EST
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Traffic laws should only apply when cops are visible.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 4:06:21 PM EST
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I stopped reading after "Police State". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the kind of bullshit that turns a police force into a type of Police State. Why do police officers wear military uniforms, they are not on the battlefield, and the camouflage they wear does not blend in with the territory they work in. Police departments have turned into quasi military organizations, and that is not the kind of country I want to live in. I understand the job is getting more dangerous, but every day police officers wear a traditional uniform, they are recognizable as such, and they carry out their daily duties effectively. Understand that plain clothes officer's were once a luxury, but adapting with times made them blend in more with the civilian population so they could do their jobs better, and safer. Combat uniforms should not be used by police officers, no matter what job they perform. If they were to adapt the police uniform to fill varying roles more in a more effective manner, I'm fine with that. Ex: Riot gear uniforms, Nomex flight suits for pilots. Multicam, MARPAT, etc... are not their work attire, nor should it be. Automobiles that are not used in undercover duties should be clearly marked, you shouldn't put a cherry on top, but this "ghost" marking is wrong, and will result in someone "running" because they think a fake cop is trying something. In fact it has happened before Google it. When a police officer shoots someone for using their vehicle as a missile, notice how the news always reports suspect fled hitting marked police vehicles. Using a "ghost" car could result in a criminal escaping justice because they were not marked. Google it, it has happened before. My 2 cents, you don't have to like it, read, or respond to it. I stopped reading after "Police State". Of course you did |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 4:45:26 PM EST
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This is the kind of bullshit that turns a police force into a type of Police State. Why do police officers wear military uniforms, they are not on the battlefield, and the camouflage they wear does not blend in with the territory they work in. Police departments have turned into quasi military organizations, and that is not the kind of country I want to live in. I understand the job is getting more dangerous, but every day police officers wear a traditional uniform, they are recognizable as such, and they carry out their daily duties effectively. Understand that plain clothes officer's were once a luxury, but adapting with times made them blend in more with the civilian population so they could do their jobs better, and safer. Combat uniforms should not be used by police officers, no matter what job they perform. If they were to adapt the police uniform to fill varying roles more in a more effective manner, I'm fine with that. Ex: Riot gear uniforms, Nomex flight suits for pilots. Multicam, MARPAT, etc... are not their work attire, nor should it be. Automobiles that are not used in undercover duties should be clearly marked, you shouldn't put a cherry on top, but this "ghost" marking is wrong, and will result in someone "running" because they think a fake cop is trying something. In fact it has happened before Google it. When a police officer shoots someone for using their vehicle as a missile, notice how the news always reports suspect fled hitting marked police vehicles. Using a "ghost" car could result in a criminal escaping justice because they were not marked. Google it, it has happened before. My 2 cents, you don't have to like it, read, or respond to it. I stopped reading after "Police State". Of course you did Yep. Its pretty funny when people sling that around. Especially when they are trying to attribute it to clothes officers wear, legal reasons for stopping someone, and what vehicles they operate. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:10:09 PM EST
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Yep. Its pretty funny when people sling that around. Especially when they are trying to attribute it to clothes officers wear, legal reasons for stopping someone, and what vehicles they operate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the kind of bullshit that turns a police force into a type of Police State. Why do police officers wear military uniforms, they are not on the battlefield, and the camouflage they wear does not blend in with the territory they work in. Police departments have turned into quasi military organizations, and that is not the kind of country I want to live in. I understand the job is getting more dangerous, but every day police officers wear a traditional uniform, they are recognizable as such, and they carry out their daily duties effectively. Understand that plain clothes officer's were once a luxury, but adapting with times made them blend in more with the civilian population so they could do their jobs better, and safer. Combat uniforms should not be used by police officers, no matter what job they perform. If they were to adapt the police uniform to fill varying roles more in a more effective manner, I'm fine with that. Ex: Riot gear uniforms, Nomex flight suits for pilots. Multicam, MARPAT, etc... are not their work attire, nor should it be. Automobiles that are not used in undercover duties should be clearly marked, you shouldn't put a cherry on top, but this "ghost" marking is wrong, and will result in someone "running" because they think a fake cop is trying something. In fact it has happened before Google it. When a police officer shoots someone for using their vehicle as a missile, notice how the news always reports suspect fled hitting marked police vehicles. Using a "ghost" car could result in a criminal escaping justice because they were not marked. Google it, it has happened before. My 2 cents, you don't have to like it, read, or respond to it. I stopped reading after "Police State". Of course you did Yep. Its pretty funny when people sling that around. Especially when they are trying to attribute it to clothes officers wear, legal reasons for stopping someone, and what vehicles they operate. The war on traffic in this country is pretty funny. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:12:02 PM EST
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The war on traffic in this country is pretty funny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the kind of bullshit that turns a police force into a type of Police State. Why do police officers wear military uniforms, they are not on the battlefield, and the camouflage they wear does not blend in with the territory they work in. Police departments have turned into quasi military organizations, and that is not the kind of country I want to live in. I understand the job is getting more dangerous, but every day police officers wear a traditional uniform, they are recognizable as such, and they carry out their daily duties effectively. Understand that plain clothes officer's were once a luxury, but adapting with times made them blend in more with the civilian population so they could do their jobs better, and safer. Combat uniforms should not be used by police officers, no matter what job they perform. If they were to adapt the police uniform to fill varying roles more in a more effective manner, I'm fine with that. Ex: Riot gear uniforms, Nomex flight suits for pilots. Multicam, MARPAT, etc... are not their work attire, nor should it be. Automobiles that are not used in undercover duties should be clearly marked, you shouldn't put a cherry on top, but this "ghost" marking is wrong, and will result in someone "running" because they think a fake cop is trying something. In fact it has happened before Google it. When a police officer shoots someone for using their vehicle as a missile, notice how the news always reports suspect fled hitting marked police vehicles. Using a "ghost" car could result in a criminal escaping justice because they were not marked. Google it, it has happened before. My 2 cents, you don't have to like it, read, or respond to it. I stopped reading after "Police State". Of course you did Yep. Its pretty funny when people sling that around. Especially when they are trying to attribute it to clothes officers wear, legal reasons for stopping someone, and what vehicles they operate. The war on traffic in this country is pretty funny. Oh Well. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:17:11 PM EST
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Meh. People will drive 10-15 over the limit like idiots until they see a cop... then go back to driving 10-15 over the limit like them once they're out of sight. We get plenty of "aggressive driver" complaints for that reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am not a fan of unmarked traffic squads. I don't like these either. The whole purpose is to have visibility so people obey traffic laws without having to stop them. The idea of using unmarked or "low profile" cars to enforce traffic is just counter productive. But that's my opinion and I'm not the decider. But I won't drive one. Meh. People will drive 10-15 over the limit like idiots until they see a cop... then go back to driving 10-15 over the limit like them once they're out of sight. We get plenty of "aggressive driver" complaints for that reason. FTFY... the worst thing is being on the freeway and everybody doing 1 mph under the limit because there is a marked patrol car. Before everyone saw him they were all safely going 10 over. If all the unmarked cars do is stop people and take their money for driving faster than the number on the sign says then screw them. If they actually pull people over for cutting people off, following too close, left lane camping, and aggressive driving, good. Unfortunately it's easier to just pull people over when the little number on the thingy is bigger than the other number on the sign thingy. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:17:40 PM EST
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle.
A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:18:25 PM EST
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I take it you've never been to Hawaii. Some patrol vehicles are personally owned by the officer. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Between Virginia and Maryland I have seen everything from a moped to a garbage truck used this way. The south has the monopoly on weird patrol cars. I take it you've never been to Hawaii. Some patrol vehicles are personally owned by the officer. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I think only detectives can drive their POVs (paid for by HPD, of course). I love Hawaii law, cops have to have their obnoxious blue lights on when they are on duty, you can spot them a mile away. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:19:33 PM EST
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Oh Well. Of course. Gotta protect your paycheck somehow 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:22:34 PM EST
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FTFY... the worst thing is being on the freeway and everybody doing 1 mph under the limit because there is a marked patrol car. Before everyone saw him they were all safely going 10 over. If all the unmarked cars do is stop people and take their money for driving faster than the number on the sign says then screw them. If they actually pull people over for cutting people off, following too close, left lane camping, and aggressive driving, good. Unfortunately it's easier to just pull people over when the little number on the thingy is bigger than the other number on the sign thingy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am not a fan of unmarked traffic squads. I don't like these either. The whole purpose is to have visibility so people obey traffic laws without having to stop them. The idea of using unmarked or "low profile" cars to enforce traffic is just counter productive. But that's my opinion and I'm not the decider. But I won't drive one. Meh. People will drive 10-15 over the limit like idiots until they see a cop... then go back to driving 10-15 over the limit like them once they're out of sight. We get plenty of "aggressive driver" complaints for that reason. FTFY... the worst thing is being on the freeway and everybody doing 1 mph under the limit because there is a marked patrol car. Before everyone saw him they were all safely going 10 over. If all the unmarked cars do is stop people and take their money for driving faster than the number on the sign says then screw them. If they actually pull people over for cutting people off, following too close, left lane camping, and aggressive driving, good. Unfortunately it's easier to just pull people over when the little number on the thingy is bigger than the other number on the sign thingy. Try driving on the Turnpike. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:23:16 PM EST
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:25:35 PM EST
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Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? It doesn't generate revenue for you, street level cops are just pawns in the game. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:28:18 PM EST
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It doesn't generate revenue for you, street level cops are just pawns in the game. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? It doesn't generate revenue for you, street level cops are just pawns in the game. Cant force us to write tickets. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:29:35 PM EST
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all i know is don't fuck with NJSP and have your shit squared away...
co-worker of mine (a PA res) was pulled over...was insured and registered but did not have up to date paper work on him..his car was towed on the spot. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:29:46 PM EST
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Cant force us to write tickets.
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? It doesn't generate revenue for you, street level cops are just pawns in the game. Cant force us to write tickets.
Ah, but you can get disciplined or fired for not meeting the "quota" that doesn't exist  .
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:30:42 PM EST
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You could not pay me enough to give out tickets from that car at night, someone is going to get run the fuck over.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:39:01 PM EST
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? It doesn't generate revenue for you, street level cops are just pawns in the game. Cant force us to write tickets.
Ah, but you can get disciplined or fired for not meeting the "quota" that doesn't exist .Nope..against the law. Thank God for my union. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:39:28 PM EST
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You could not pay me enough to give out tickets from that car at night, someone is going to get run the fuck over. It has lights on it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:01:19 PM EST
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Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:03:06 PM EST
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Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. So can lower profile vehicles. Win all around. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:06:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So can lower profile vehicles. Win all around. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. So can lower profile vehicles. Win all around. Cite? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:07:21 PM EST
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I am used to the blacked out cars it's the blue or normal colors with normal wheels and no push bumper etc like this blue PSP car.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:09:43 PM EST
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I have no problem with these type of cars as long as they're not used to pull people over for traffic violations. I wouldn't blame people for not pulling over for an unmarked car, how would one truly know if its a cop or just someone pretending to be a cop.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:13:03 PM EST
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. So can lower profile vehicles. Win all around. Cite? Common sense. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:13:34 PM EST
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I have no problem with these type of cars as long as they're not used to pull people over for traffic violations. I wouldn't blame people for not pulling over for an unmarked car, how would one truly know if its a cop or just someone pretending to be a cop. How can you tell at night? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:17:00 PM EST
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$afety like a motherfucker!
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:17:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Common sense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. So can lower profile vehicles. Win all around. Cite? Common sense. You made a positive assertion, it's on you to provide veracity. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:19:28 PM EST
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Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. Your first step to gain compliance is presence. So do we have compliance with traffic laws because of citations or the possibility of being issued a citation if you are caught violating the traffic laws? Compliance is actually gained through possibility of being cited, enforcement action is to address those that do not comply. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:19:38 PM EST
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Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. So can lower profile vehicles. Win all around. Cite? Common sense. You made a positive assertion, it's on you to provide veracity. Considering I drive one.. my experience. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:20:19 PM EST
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$afety like a motherfucker! Still waiting for that check! 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:22:36 PM EST
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Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not a traffic enforcement vehicle, that's a revenue generation vehicle. A marked unit, with an officer with some street sense behind the wheel, can hide and sneak up on speeders very easily. It also has the deterrent factor for everyone who sees it. Not to mention the safety for the person being pulled over that they are actually being pulled over by a police officer, and not a rapist with a surplus crown vic and a suction cup light bar in the windshield. Mmm.. revenue generator. Does it cut me a monthly check? Of course not, you're being trivial. The purpose of this vehicle is to gain compliance with the speed limit through citations. There are many other ways to gain compliance that do not involve the state receiving financial compensation from violators. Radar trailers, decoy vehicles, and marked units can all contribute to slowing folks down without fining them. The vehicle doesn't write a ticket. Officer has discretion regardless of the vehicle markings. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:24:01 PM EST
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I have no problem with these type of cars as long as they're not used to pull people over for traffic violations. I wouldn't blame people for not pulling over for an unmarked car, how would one truly know if its a cop or just someone pretending to be a cop. The ultimate indicator it is a real cop would be when you don't pull over long enough to drive over a spike strip. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:24:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering I drive one.. my experience. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So can lower profile vehicles. Win all around. Cite? Common sense. You made a positive assertion, it's on you to provide veracity. Considering I drive one.. my experience. The plural of anecdote is not data. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:25:21 PM EST
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The plural of anecdote is not data. Guess youll just have a hole in your life over it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:28:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess youll just have a hole in your life over it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The plural of anecdote is not data. Guess youll just have a hole in your life over it. I've learned to not take the failings of others personally unless they impact me directly. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:29:57 PM EST
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:36:13 PM EST
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Is there a legal distinction between an unmarked police car and one with almost invisible marking that still meet the legal definition of marked?
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:39:25 PM EST
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Is there a legal distinction between an unmarked police car and one with almost invisible marking that still meet the legal definition of marked? If not I fail to see the point of one of these vs a regular unmarked car. In NJ? Just for pursuit purposes. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:45:49 PM EST
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Bring back the "bubble gum machines" dammit!!!!!  Not since the 60's for the NJSP. PASP was still rocking them well into the 80's So I guess that means there won't be dancing girls either.
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