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Quoted: Not the first time aviators/pilots have chosen to ride it in, or rode it in too far, trying to avoid casualties on the ground. Had an A-7 do it here in the Atlanta area back in the early '90's, stayed with the plane until they cleared an apartment complex and then ejected too low to survive (it may have rolled, it's been a while). The military has procedures and improvements trying to reduce the risks of military aviation, but it's always been a dangerous endeavor, which is why the claims that Bush "avoided the dangers of Vietnam" by going to be a pilot in a VERY unforgiving aircraft annoy me. View Quote I remember that from when I was a kid |
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Quoted: If it went straight in, it was possibly a conscience decision on the part of the aircrew. Catastrophic mechanical failure with seconds to react leaves two options. Either try to have a controlled crash by gliding and hopefully cause minimum death and destruction on the ground, or point the nose straight down and keep the deaths to the absolute minimum possible. Definitely a no win situation for the aircrew. May God comfort their families in this time of loss. Fair winds and following seas. View Quote |
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Quoted: So they chose not to eject to save lives. Real men right there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If it went straight in, it was possibly a conscience decision on the part of the aircrew. Catastrophic mechanical failure with seconds to react leaves two options. Either try to have a controlled crash by gliding and hopefully cause minimum death and destruction on the ground, or point the nose straight down and keep the deaths to the absolute minimum possible. Definitely a no win situation for the aircrew. May God comfort their families in this time of loss. Fair winds and following seas. So they chose not to eject to save lives. Real men right there. I recall a story about a blue angels pilot who kept a piece of paper with him that said, “them before me”. Meaning their lives come first. He was killed a few years back. There may or may not be more to this or a better known version or whatever, still a noble mindset. |
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https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/10/23/two-service-members-killed-in-crash-of-navy-t-6b-trainer-aircraft/
Naval Air Forces spokesman Cmdr. Zachary Harrell said the flight took off from Florida’s Naval Air Station Whiting Field, which lies about a 90-minute drive northeast of the crash area. (The crew may not have been Navy, Whiting Field trains Navy, Marine, Air Force, Coast Guard and Foreign Military aircrew.) https://www.wkrg.com/baldwin-county/authorities-plane-crashes-in-foley/ |
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Well crap.
May God bless them and their families with peace and consolation. |
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So very sorry for those who lost their lives. Thanks to them for serving the USA and heartfelt prayers
for their families to survive this tragedy that has come to them. |
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224kts @ 7300’ then started a descent. Sped up to 246kts by 5300’, then started dropping speed as the descent continued.
Last report of 83kts @ 3700’ is very strange, particularly with no ejection. Been talking with another instructor from the base and he’s having a hard time wrapping his head around it. |
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Eternal Father, Strong To Save - Navy Hymn - US Naval Academy Chapel |
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RIP Morgan. There is no higher calling, no greater honor, than to lay down your life in the pursuit of saving others.
Never met you, but you were in the pipeline, and part of the family. |
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Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/230502/EE852663-4816-4C2C-943F-C4C7A730D242_png-1652788.JPG View Quote Came here to post this. I didn’t know her, but I bet my CO (LTJG recent academy grad) does. |
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Quoted: Well, the T-6 is a TRAINER, so, you tell me. I doubt they were doing offensive, defensive or intelligence missions in a T-6. I could be wrong. View Quote Could be on a cross country. Could be ferrying the aircraft. Could be doing a post maintenance FCF. Or could be doing ACM training or something else. |
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Two females, which might be a first. Prayers out to the families and shipmates.
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Quoted: Two females, which might be a first. Prayers out to the families and shipmates. View Quote I only saw the one ENS mentioned. Who was the other? Edit: nvmd. ENS Morgan Garrett and LT Rhiannon Ross. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/10/25/coast-guard-member-among-crew-killed-in-navy-plane-crash-in-residential-neighborhood/ |
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Quoted: I only saw the one ENS mentioned. Who was the other? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Two females, which might be a first. Prayers out to the families and shipmates. I only saw the one ENS mentioned. Who was the other? U.S. Navy Lt. Rhiannon Ross, a 30-year-old instructor pilot, and U.S. Coast Guard Ensign Morgan Garrett, a 24-year-old student pilot, died. The Oct. 23 crash occurred in Foley, which is located near the Alabama shore about 30 miles west of Pensacola, Fla., around 5 p.m. local time, according to a Navy news release. https://news.usni.org/2020/10/23/2-killed-in-navy-t-6b-texan-ii-trainer-crash-in-alabama |
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Quoted: Not the first time aviators/pilots have chosen to ride it in, or rode it in too far, trying to avoid casualties on the ground. Had an A-7 do it here in the Atlanta area back in the early '90's, stayed with the plane until they cleared an apartment complex and then ejected too low to survive (it may have rolled, it's been a while). The military has procedures and improvements trying to reduce the risks of military aviation, but it's always been a dangerous endeavor, which is why the claims that Bush "avoided the dangers of Vietnam" by going to be a pilot in a VERY unforgiving aircraft annoy me. View Quote When I was at Pax River, an air crew planted their jet into the skeet range vs risk the uncontrolled plane going into a populated part of the base. Kharn |
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Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459953/5f931307-e979-416c-bae0-4f834400f977-lar-1653360.png View Quote Hearts out for their families and friends. |
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Quoted: When I was at Pax River, an air crew planted their jet into the skeet range vs risk the uncontrolled plane going into a populated part of the base. Kharn View Quote Where my dad grew up in Bellaire, TX (1960's) an AF pilot rode his jet into a bayou between housing developments to keep from hitting civilians. Dad found a small data plate from the jet at the crash site after it had been cleaned up. He has kept it all these years and through his military career as a reminder of that pilot's selflessness. |
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