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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:32:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shotguns must be banned!!!!!!!!!111 
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:40:21 PM EDT
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Are you a voting member? One is to counter their arguments with liberal sources. Since the left does so much twisting of the data, and fabrication in their journalistic hit pieces, you can spend some time searching and bookmarking various articles and pages that blatantly conflict each other, then use links to those to counter a lot of the garbage the other side posts on social media. Instead of them just dismissing you as some brainwashed drone of the NRA, Trump, and FOX news, they find themselves in situations such as the Huffington Post saying that the claims they just made, are false. Another is to respond to accusations of you being another NRA drone, by stating that you were an NRA member at one time, but you cannot agree with the current NRA leadership and left the organization, so you are one of the majority of gun owners that do not support the NRA or agree with the policies of their leadership (one of the gun owners that the left keeps claiming that you support 'common sense gun control'). Each person has to make their own decision on which path to take. If they have ever given the NRA a dime, they have a right to complain about the shitty job that the current leadership has been doing, and the lobbying that has varied from "are they doing ANYTHING?" to "DAMN, they just fucked us over". |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:47:51 PM EDT
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Even the fudds would get involved then. Well, maybe once it made it to double barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Shotguns must be banned!!!!!!!!!111 Biden made his statement about 'two blasts from a shotgun'. Feinstein has repeatedly (since the 2004 expiration of the 1994 AWB) introduced bills to 'reinstate the AWB' that (if you read through the fine print and definitions) would ban all pump shotguns and semi-auto shotguns. They have been trying to quietly go after shotguns for a while (a few pump shotguns were covered by the 1994 AWB), but they know that if they go after the double barrels, they will alienate the skeet and trap Fudds, who tend to be more likely to have money. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:58:00 PM EDT
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How can we help fund the fight? Can someone send me an IM, or better yet, OP include instructions in his post? https://www.gunowners.com |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:15:01 PM EDT
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Obama did a photo op with an over and under. Biden made his statement about 'two blasts from a shotgun'. Feinstein has repeatedly (since the 2004 expiration of the 1994 AWB) introduced bills to 'reinstate the AWB' that (if you read through the fine print and definitions) would ban all pump shotguns and semi-auto shotguns. They have been trying to quietly go after shotguns for a while (a few pump shotguns were covered by the 1994 AWB), but they know that if they go after the double barrels, they will alienate the skeet and trap Fudds, who tend to be more likely to have money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Shotguns must be banned!!!!!!!!!111 Biden made his statement about 'two blasts from a shotgun'. Feinstein has repeatedly (since the 2004 expiration of the 1994 AWB) introduced bills to 'reinstate the AWB' that (if you read through the fine print and definitions) would ban all pump shotguns and semi-auto shotguns. They have been trying to quietly go after shotguns for a while (a few pump shotguns were covered by the 1994 AWB), but they know that if they go after the double barrels, they will alienate the skeet and trap Fudds, who tend to be more likely to have money. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:17:22 PM EDT
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Fowling pieces have always been items of luxury for the ruling class. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:18:15 PM EDT
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Give em hell. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:43:20 PM EDT
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Yeah, it's a bitter pill to swallow, but it gives you a choice between saying "fuck those assholes, they ain't getting a dime from me", or saying "fuck those assholes, they are only getting just enough money to let me do what I can to fuck them over from the inside, then they aren't getting another penny". I can definitely understand the motives behind both options. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: If you can catch one of the times they are running a heavy discount on the life membership, and have the cash at the time, you can buy the right to vote against them, then sit back and withhold any further funding of their huge paychecks and half-assed lobbying. I can definitely understand the motives behind both options. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 4:04:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obama did a photo op with an over and under. Biden made his statement about 'two blasts from a shotgun'. Feinstein has repeatedly (since the 2004 expiration of the 1994 AWB) introduced bills to 'reinstate the AWB' that (if you read through the fine print and definitions) would ban all pump shotguns and semi-auto shotguns. They have been trying to quietly go after shotguns for a while (a few pump shotguns were covered by the 1994 AWB), but they know that if they go after the double barrels, they will alienate the skeet and trap Fudds, who tend to be more likely to have money. Ar this point, fuck the fudds. Let them be felons next. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 4:12:50 PM EDT
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I can as well. But, I chose last year to do an EP Life membership. I'll have it paid off soon. I did that because I want voting rights. We need to stack the BoD in our favor and change the NRA from the inside. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: If you can catch one of the times they are running a heavy discount on the life membership, and have the cash at the time, you can buy the right to vote against them, then sit back and withhold any further funding of their huge paychecks and half-assed lobbying. I can definitely understand the motives behind both options. The NRA cannot be fixed, and those that believe otherwise are only fooling themselves. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 4:16:10 PM EDT
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The sad thing is, I have probably paid for enough yearly and gift memberships to buy a Life if I had it in all together at one time. Some years it was struggle to pay even a yearly (3 teen age boys can wolf some food down) and I could afford one now, but as long as the current leadership is in, they won't a dime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get it paid off, and vote! I was fortunate enough that an Arfcommer paid for my life membership back when they were running it for $300. I will ask you to please reconsider, though. We need more of us that suffer from BRD voting so we can change their culture. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 4:17:28 PM EDT
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Tell you what, the next time you get to vote on Wayne LaPierre let me know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you a voting member? 
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Posted: 1/6/2019 6:31:43 PM EDT
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Whether bump stocks were used and the governments games concerning their use on October 1, 2017 in LV is NOT a trivial matter and must be run to ground. I would like to point out that even if bump stocks were used it does not impact case at hand... The government with a straight face claims that if one person does evil with a device or item than it must be banned from existence? Why stop there? Insert any device, how about one that kills people everyday of the year? What if DOJ published this rule? What's to stop them? In order to prevent drunk drivers from hurting themselves or anyone else, your automobile has been declared illegal by DOJ and in 90 days you must turn your automobile in to us or destroy it or we will fine you a quarter of million dollars and put you in prison for ten years.... It's coming..... |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 8:06:02 PM EDT
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Gave Nolo and the gang a shout out on TTAG
Latest Lawsuit Against Trump Bump Stock Ban Seeks to Open ATF Registry |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 8:18:28 PM EDT
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Gave Nolo and the gang a shout out on TTAG Latest Lawsuit Against Trump Bump Stock Ban Seeks to Open ATF Registry 
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Posted: 1/6/2019 10:22:10 PM EDT
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If we can save ONE LIFE, we must round them all up! Get them off the streets of America!
If I could, I would say turn them in, Mr. and Mrs. America. They should ALL be registered, subject to background checks. They should not be allowed anywhere near a school, hospital, or political office! Attempting to conceal one should carry legal penalties that will land you in PRISON! Oh! this is a gun thread? I got it mixed up with the Illegal Alien/We Need A Wall thread. My bad 
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Posted: 1/6/2019 10:24:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2019 11:14:34 PM EDT
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It's a matter of time. Possibly not in my lifetime- although those smarter than I say it will absolutely happen in 20 years. When self-driving cars become mainstream......you will either be forced to turn them in or your insurance will price you out of ownership. It's coming..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whether bump stocks were used and the governments games concerning their use on October 1, 2017 in LV is NOT a trivial matter and must be run to ground. I would like to point out that even if bump stocks were used it does not impact case at hand... The government with a straight face claims that if one person does evil with a device or item than it must be banned from existence? Why stop there? Insert any device, how about one that kills people everyday of the year? What if DOJ published this rule? What's to stop them? In order to prevent drunk drivers from hurting themselves or anyone else, your automobile has been declared illegal by DOJ and in 90 days you must turn your automobile in to us or destroy it or we will fine you a quarter of million dollars and put you in prison for ten years.... It's coming..... 
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Posted: 1/13/2019 9:32:07 AM EDT
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no·ta be·ne
/?nod? 'bene/ verb Latin verb: nota bene observe carefully or take special notice (used in written text to draw attention to what follows). jaqufrost, I can assure you the questions being asked of DOJ and ATF are extremely important. I am convinced by recent events. Sharyl Attkisson and Katie Pavlich you might want to dust off your files on Fast & Furious; Who at DOJ/FBI was aware/participating in that operation and who was also active on October 1, 2017? |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 7:30:22 AM EDT
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You'd have about as much of a chance at success trying to stack the Democratic party in our favor. The NRA cannot be fixed, and those that believe otherwise are only fooling themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:28:50 AM EDT
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Do we have NOLOs twitter handle?
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:35:12 AM EDT
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Do we have NOLOs twitter handle? |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:25:25 AM EDT
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Gave Nolo and the gang a shout out on TTAG Latest Lawsuit Against Trump Bump Stock Ban Seeks to Open ATF Registry
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Posted: 1/14/2019 2:37:32 PM EDT
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Wayne has it rigged, you don't get to vote against him anyway. Until he's gone, its business as usual. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yeah, it's a bitter pill to swallow, but it gives you a choice between saying "fuck those assholes, they ain't getting a dime from me", or saying "fuck those assholes, they are only getting just enough money to let me do what I can to fuck them over from the inside, then they aren't getting another penny". I can definitely understand the motives behind both options. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:01:11 PM EDT
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Just critiqueing here:
Hopefully we can get another constitutional judge soon and the bumpstock ban will be overruled. By facts alone the whole thing sounds unconstitutional to me. What concerns me is that what's her name will will probably vote in her The "camel's nose under the tent" and the "from a slide to a straight dropoff analogies" sounds like too many "feels" and "conjectures" to me, almost like fake news. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:49:02 PM EDT
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Just critiqueing here: Hopefully we can get another constitutional judge soon and the bumpstock ban will be overruled. By facts alone the whole thing sounds unconstitutional to me. What concerns me is that what's her name will will probably vote in her The "camel's nose under the tent" and the "from a slide to a straight dropoff analogies" sounds like too many "feels" and "conjectures" to me, almost like fake news. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:16:02 AM EDT
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I don't know if Nolo posted this but we filed a preliminary injunction in the bumpstock case a couple days ago
https://www.scribd.com/document/397756745/Bumpstock-Codera-Preliminary-Injunction |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:22:17 AM EDT
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I don't know if Nolo posted this but we filed a preliminary injunction in the bumpstock case a couple days ago https://www.scribd.com/document/397756745/Bumpstock-Codera-Preliminary-Injunction
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:29:19 AM EDT
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I don't know if Nolo posted this but we filed a preliminary injunction in the bumpstock case a couple days ago https://www.scribd.com/document/397756745/Bumpstock-Codera-Preliminary-Injunction |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 11:47:18 AM EDT
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Awesome
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:28:41 PM EDT
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I posted this earlier today and it looks like a lot of people didn't understand what I was getting at. Basically, the "harnessing recoil energy" language in the bump stock rule, along with the "readily converted" language could combine to make the popular Hi-Point carbines meet the new definition of a machine gun.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2187241/? |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 11:42:45 PM EDT
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I don't know if Nolo posted this but we filed a preliminary injunction in the bumpstock case a couple days ago https://www.scribd.com/document/397756745/Bumpstock-Codera-Preliminary-Injunction |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:24:09 PM EDT
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So how long does it take to get a decision on the injunction? After reading it, it looks like it's logically unassailable, but I guess it comes down to whether the judge is favorable to gun rights or not. I think the points about the lack of lawful authority to sign it are good, and this case as a whole will tell us if we live in a nation of laws or a nation of political whim.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:57:08 PM EDT
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To Nolo and Wolf, and anyone involved thank you!!
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Posted: 1/23/2019 8:24:02 PM EDT
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Nice!
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Posted: 1/24/2019 9:29:16 AM EDT
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I don't know if Nolo posted this but we filed a preliminary injunction in the bumpstock case a couple days ago https://www.scribd.com/document/397756745/Bumpstock-Codera-Preliminary-Injunction Quoted: Thanks for posting. I’ve been slow on the posting of filings. Lots of lawsuits going on at the moment. Your work is greatly appreciated. God bless you. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:53:47 PM EDT
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Briefing scheduled issued. DOJ response 2/1. Our reply due 2/8.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:56:02 PM EDT
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Briefing scheduled issued. DOJ response 2/1. Our reply due 2/8.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:56:58 PM EDT
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Briefing scheduled issued. DOJ response 2/1. Our reply due 2/8. 
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:34:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:40:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:46:27 PM EDT
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Late to the party, but, IN!
 GO GET 'EM, Nolo and Wolf!!!!!! (and everybody else that is working on this mess!)
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obama did a photo op with an over and under. Biden made his statement about 'two blasts from a shotgun'. Feinstein has repeatedly (since the 2004 expiration of the 1994 AWB) introduced bills to 'reinstate the AWB' that (if you read through the fine print and definitions) would ban all pump shotguns and semi-auto shotguns. They have been trying to quietly go after shotguns for a while (a few pump shotguns were covered by the 1994 AWB), but they know that if they go after the double barrels, they will alienate the skeet and trap Fudds, who tend to be more likely to have money. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 10:11:17 AM EDT
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Good point. Didn't realize pumps would be banned, it really is Fudd legislation then. Scary stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Obama did a photo op with an over and under. Biden made his statement about 'two blasts from a shotgun'. Feinstein has repeatedly (since the 2004 expiration of the 1994 AWB) introduced bills to 'reinstate the AWB' that (if you read through the fine print and definitions) would ban all pump shotguns and semi-auto shotguns. They have been trying to quietly go after shotguns for a while (a few pump shotguns were covered by the 1994 AWB), but they know that if they go after the double barrels, they will alienate the skeet and trap Fudds, who tend to be more likely to have money. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 12:11:42 PM EDT
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Huzzah!
Thanks NOLO and Wolfwood
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Posted: 1/28/2019 12:17:40 PM EDT
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Briefing scheduled issued. DOJ response 2/1. Our reply due 2/8. 
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Posted: 1/28/2019 12:39:07 PM EDT
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All they need is compliant Attorney General determine that 12 Gauges have no sporting purpose and are now considered large bore destructive devices, they have done it before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/28/2019 1:42:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: USAS-12, Streetsweeper, and one other model that I don't remember off the top of my head. However, it seems that somebody in the industry figured out (too late to use the reclassification of those three shotguns) that when the feds reclassify shotguns to DDs, and declare an amnesty to get them in the NFA registry, the amnesty applies to all types of NFA devices, including full-auto. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 2:54:20 PM EDT
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To Nolo and Wolf, and anyone involved thank you!! |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 9:41:02 PM EDT
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That's lightning-fast for court, isn't it? I was thinking it would be touch and go to get anything actually heard before the ban goes into effect, I'm happy to be wrong! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Briefing scheduled issued. DOJ response 2/1. Our reply due 2/8. |
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