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Posted: 8/28/2017 7:58:40 PM EDT
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I never pass up an opportunity to play this. As always, share it with your neighbors 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vcQuote HistoryQuoted:
I never pass up an opportunity to play this.
As always, share it with your neighbors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:00:39 PM EDT
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Are you saying the missile was not launched and it's fake news? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:01:41 PM EDT
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Several hours have gone by and no response from Trump yet?
Ruh, Roh How long would a pre-staged, pre-planned massive air attack take to initiate? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:02:24 PM EDT
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Trump will not tip his hand.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:03:13 PM EDT
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Such an easy solution. China doesn't want us involved militarily in their hemisphere. So, have Japan, SK, and the US give them an ultimatum: either you depose Kim or we will
The situation would resolve itself rather quickly |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:03:58 PM EDT
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Trump drew a line in the sand. Lil Kim just jumped across the line and peed on Trump's leg. I'll make popcorn. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:05:55 PM EDT
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Several hours have gone by and no response from Trump yet? Ruh, Roh How long would a pre-staged, pre-planned massive air attack take to initiate? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:07:22 PM EDT
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Wonder if it will be different than Obama's line in the sand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump drew a line in the sand. Lil Kim just jumped across the line and peed on Trump's leg. I'll make popcorn. (and I ride the MAGA train and am not, and never have been, a never trumper) |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:07:33 PM EDT
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Wonder if it will be different than Obama's line in the sand. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:11:35 PM EDT
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Sub launched nuclear first strike or conventional? Cruise, nukes, bombers, everything. Scorched earth type shit. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:14:19 PM EDT
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Trump will have the next one intercepted. My 2cents.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:15:23 PM EDT
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I highly doubt it. (and I ride the MAGA train and am not, and never have been, a never trumper) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump drew a line in the sand. Lil Kim just jumped across the line and peed on Trump's leg. I'll make popcorn. (and I ride the MAGA train and am not, and never have been, a never trumper) |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:16:05 PM EDT
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The only line in the sand that pussy ever drew was when his golf ball rolled into a bunker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wonder if it will be different than Obama's line in the sand. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:16:31 PM EDT
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I'm talking the whole she-bang. Cruise, nukes, bombers, everything. Scorched earth type shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sub launched nuclear first strike or conventional? Cruise, nukes, bombers, everything. Scorched earth type shit. That would happen very fast. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:17:10 PM EDT
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This seems serious.
If Trump doesn't respond, then it might tell the world we are spineless and don't mean what we say. (Again) If Trump does respond it could put us in a very costly war. Either way, this isn't good. We can't have enemy countries doing ICBM flyovers of sovereign allied territory. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:18:31 PM EDT
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I'm not any train but find no fault in any action of Trump's (besides some tweets). I hope he does something that's not war or sanctions. Everyone says he plays 87 dimension chess. This is where we need it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump drew a line in the sand. Lil Kim just jumped across the line and peed on Trump's leg. I'll make popcorn. (and I ride the MAGA train and am not, and never have been, a never trumper) |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:20:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:22:15 PM EDT
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What something is available for him to do that isn't an act of war or sanctions? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:22:39 PM EDT
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Did they actually IMPLEMENT this, or just pinky swear that they would? ChiComs are not known to be men of their word. PRC cut off majority of oil exported to NK (specifically by big Chinese state owned energy conglomerates), and they also pressuring the rest Chinese companies to do likewise. In addition, the largest legal exports that North Korea relies on is selling coal and other limited natural resources to China, even though China already has plenty of their own, they buy it to help them out. So right now the following has already been happening for a month: NK has a trickle of oil coming in and no legal products going out. Price of oil is already skyrocketing and once the full ramifications of this embargo/sanction hits the rest of the NK agricultural and industrial infrastructure will grind to a halt, their economy and society will break down. And then it will be coup time. Remember how Trump said we let China get away with lopsided trade deals and we get nothing for it? And how he was toying with Chinese tariffs, which while painful to the US would be devastating to China? This is the result. China just earned their preferential trade deals by helping out with NK, instead of the usual Democratic Party way, which was to get bribed by China. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:24:54 PM EDT
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Implemented. PRC cut off majority of oil exported to NK (specifically by big Chinese state owned energy conglomerates), and they also pressuring the rest Chinese companies to do likewise. In addition, the largest legal exports that North Korea relies on is selling coal and other limited natural resources to China, even though China already has plenty of their own, they buy it to help them out. So right now the following has already been happening for a month: NK has a trickle of oil coming in and no legal products going out. Price of oil is already skyrocketing and once the full ramifications of this embargo/sanction hits the rest of the NK agricultural and industrial infrastructure will grind to a halt, their economy and society will break down. And then it will be coup time. Remember how Trump said we let China get away with lopsided trade deals and we get nothing for it? And how he was toying with Chinese tariffs, which while painful to the US would be devastating to China? This is the result. China just earned their preferential trade deals by helping out with NK, instead of the usual Democratic Party way, which was to get bribed by China. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:25:33 PM EDT
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This seems serious. If Trump doesn't respond, then it might tell the world we are spineless and don't mean what we say. (Again) If Trump does respond it could put us in a very costly war. Either way, this isn't good. We can't have enemy countries doing ICBM flyovers of sovereign allied territory. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:25:54 PM EDT
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What if it was a failed nuke launch?
what if a rouge element within NK fired to try start a war? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:27:27 PM EDT
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Maybe I am reaching but didn't Trump say any launch against the U.S. would be met with fire and fury?
Aren't military bases (on Japan) considered extensions of the U.S.? You know those guys were shitting and getting it on those bases when the alarms went of early in the morning. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:27:32 PM EDT
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This seems serious. If Trump doesn't respond, then it might tell the world we are spineless and don't mean what we say. (Again) If Trump does respond it could put us in a very costly war. Either way, this isn't good. We can't have enemy countries doing ICBM flyovers of sovereign allied territory. If Trump reacts militarily then he will look weak and easily provoked. If he reacts with restraint then he will look considered and the threat against NK still remains in place. Trump is smart enough not to react in a destructive way unless absolutely necessary. My bet would be on Trump saying some fairly stern stuff, as you might expect, but not reacting to the provocation militarily. He will be using this latest launch to apply more pressure to China to act. China can I'll affford a conflict in the region. A common area of concern is a good opportunity to build alliances and bridges against a common threat. If he wades in militarily then there is no going back and half-arsing it. The bargaining position is lost. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:29:50 PM EDT
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This seems serious. If Trump doesn't respond, then it might tell the world we are spineless and don't mean what we say. (Again) If Trump does respond it could put us in a very costly war. Either way, this isn't good. We can't have enemy countries doing ICBM flyovers of sovereign allied territory. Imagine sitting in some room in Japan, trying to determine whether your country is under imminent threat of a nuclear strike. Now imagine that you might face that moment over and over again in the coming weeks and months. That cannot be allowed. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:31:32 PM EDT
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Trump will have the next one intercepted. My 2cents. 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:31:45 PM EDT
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One way or another, we're way past the point of the North Korea situation having a happy ending. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This seems serious. If Trump doesn't respond, then it might tell the world we are spineless and don't mean what we say. (Again) If Trump does respond it could put us in a very costly war. Either way, this isn't good. We can't have enemy countries doing ICBM flyovers of sovereign allied territory. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:36:08 PM EDT
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I hope not. That is how wars get started. Also would put our economy in the shitter overnight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If China wanted this to stop, it would stop. If China wanted Kim gone, he'd be gone. Kim is doing/being exactly what China wants him to do/be. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:38:10 PM EDT
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The problem with North Korea is simple.
Peace is worse for their neighbors than continued cold war, or possibly than an all out hot war. The South Koreans don't want unification. The Chinese don't want to let millions of North Koreans in as refugees. And North Korea is economically and industrially fucked. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:40:28 PM EDT
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China did reign in Kim, they agreed to crushing oil export embargo and refuse to buy any of the shit NK sales, which is kind of a big deal since China buys nearly everything NK sells. And China only did it because Trump pressured them to. The shit you're talking about happened months ago. And hypothetically, if China did in fact control NK as a puppet, why a couple years ago did Kim Jung Un have all the Pro-China members of his ministry gruesomely executed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why Trump ouhgt to tweet or make an off-hand comment at a press conference that he is looking at putting sanctions on China if they don't rein in Kim. And hypothetically, if China did in fact control NK as a puppet, why a couple years ago did Kim Jung Un have all the Pro-China members of his ministry gruesomely executed? China cut North Korean coal exports to zero, which accounting for like 75% of the North Korean economy, then BAM, trade with North Korea INCREASED 40%. China is faking it while sneakingly supporting Kim Jong Un even more. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:40:51 PM EDT
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Sub launched nuclear first strike or conventional? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:41:32 PM EDT
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Thats heavy shit. Seems like war would be Lil Kim's only viable path to staying in power Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Implemented. PRC cut off majority of oil exported to NK (specifically by big Chinese state owned energy conglomerates), and they also pressuring the rest Chinese companies to do likewise. In addition, the largest legal exports that North Korea relies on is selling coal and other limited natural resources to China, even though China already has plenty of their own, they buy it to help them out. So right now the following has already been happening for a month: NK has a trickle of oil coming in and no legal products going out. Price of oil is already skyrocketing and once the full ramifications of this embargo/sanction hits the rest of the NK agricultural and industrial infrastructure will grind to a halt, their economy and society will break down. And then it will be coup time. Remember how Trump said we let China get away with lopsided trade deals and we get nothing for it? And how he was toying with Chinese tariffs, which while painful to the US would be devastating to China? This is the result. China just earned their preferential trade deals by helping out with NK, instead of the usual Democratic Party way, which was to get bribed by China. Should Kim give the order to initiate war, well it absolutely could happen. But its unlikely, as it would be the most irrational one Kim could make, it would be the most suicidal one he could give, and should he give it there is actually a very possible chance it could trigger an actual coup. I love a good challenge but I wouldn't want to be Kim even for a billion dollars. He must be puking his guts out, chugging Maalax washed down with Xanax as he hides anxiety attacks induced by the panic of what is happening to him and the lack of good options he has left. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:42:26 PM EDT
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Shoot a missile right over the capital Pyongyang for starters, right over NK, so lil Kim can soil his pants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sub launched nuclear first strike or conventional? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:42:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:43:52 PM EDT
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I highly doubt it. (and I ride the MAGA train and am not, and never have been, a never trumper) |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:44:04 PM EDT
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I highly doubt it. (and I ride the MAGA train and am not, and never have been, a never trumper) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump drew a line in the sand. Lil Kim just jumped across the line and peed on Trump's leg. I'll make popcorn. (and I ride the MAGA train and am not, and never have been, a never trumper) |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:44:56 PM EDT
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If an unstable were pointing a loaded gun at you, would you fire a round right past their ear to see if it scares them into stopping? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:51:45 PM EDT
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We should start by making all of NK's subs disappear. Jam their abilities to signal and sink them. Poof!
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:52:40 PM EDT
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Haven't read every page, has Japan commented on this?
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:52:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:53:55 PM EDT
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Lil kimmie needs a noose.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:54:09 PM EDT
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Haven't read every page, has Japan commented on this?
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:55:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:59:26 PM EDT
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My uneducated hillbilly opinion is that if "Someone" doesnt do something about this or answer back in a real way, NK called everyones bluff and shows weakness.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:08:16 PM EDT
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I'm talking about actions that are feasible and realistic. Put me in as President and I'll push a button to solve the problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If an unstable were pointing a loaded gun at you, would you fire a round right past their ear to see if it scares them into stopping? 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:09:37 PM EDT
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Quite the opposite. Nobody in NK is under any delusions they would win that war. In fact, the ONLY reason they are building bombs is to stop worrying about a serious threat of getting taken out by the US. The only thing they had to counter it in the past was holding Seoul ransom. Now they can hold the region ransom with longer range ballistic missiles possibly tipped with nukes. Soon they can hold CONUS for ransom too. The goal of this drive for nukes is self preservation and survival. Should Kim give the order to initiate war, well it absolutely could happen. But its unlikely, as it would be the most irrational one Kim could make, it would be the most suicidal one he could give, and should he give it there is actually a very possible chance it could trigger an actual coup. I love a good challenge but I wouldn't want to be Kim even for a billion dollars. He must be puking his guts out, chugging Maalax washed down with Xanax as he hides anxiety attacks induced by the panic of what is happening to him and the lack of good options he has left. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:11:09 PM EDT
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I say level the Kumsusan Palace with a salvo of some sort of stealth cruise missle.
Then wait. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:13:24 PM EDT
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I'm going to the basement...I have pretzels and pringles and caprisun down there http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jxsIW-4drxk/TKNgoZU4I8I/AAAAAAAAAGs/zc2Tpb6hfjE/s1600/Ellies+Basement.JPG |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:14:44 PM EDT
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My uneducated hillbilly opinion is that if "Someone" doesnt do something about this or answer back in a real way, NK called everyones bluff and shows weakness. The US convinces PRC to sanction/embargo DPRK in a way to destroy their nation unless they shitcan their nuke program. Next, instead of shitcanning, and instead of starting a war, DPRK launches a few missiles as saber rattling. US escalates and threatens outright nuclear war, DPRK backs off. Weeks later, today, DPRK ramps up round 2 of Post-sanction/embargo saber rattling. Now we're waiting on the US to raise the initial bet. And back and forth it goes until the US again raises to "If you launch anything offensively, we will destroy your country with nukes.", and then DPRK will again hit that impasse where its either shit or get off the pot and they'll fold again. And then this round of betting ends, the US wins the hand. Then they wait a few weeks and try it again, because Kim has no good options left. Saber rattle enough times and Kim gets ousted in a coup. If he tries to go to war, he will either die from us and/or he will get ousted in a coup. Do nothing while DPRK internal economy, agriculture, industry grind to a halt, he will get ousted with a coup. Surrender his nukes he will be ousted in a coup. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:15:46 PM EDT
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It has to have landed somewhere by now? Perhaps I missed it?
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