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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:37:31 PM EST
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Seriously? Im not much for this idea the site is changing but damn if it ain't changing
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:37:39 PM EST
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We had to give a record of all the sales and participants, so you'll receive an IM if you are affected.  If you don't receive one by Friday, you are unaffected.
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Bam.  I'm pretty sure Arf Staff has said it before, but lots of people believe Arf wouldn't give up member info if the right people asked.  So, just quoting this for the record.

And man, this has been a shitty year full of shitty changes for me: NRA backstabbing, Several things in my hobby life drastically changed, work shit changed, and now Arf 'bending the knee' left and right.

Sad times indeed.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:37:42 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:37:54 PM EST
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IBTL . Atleast they are still happening on SniperHide and quite a few other forums I'm on .
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:38:42 PM EST
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No sale tax here so my name better not have been given to anyone.
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I have bad news for you sunshine , Pink isn't  well , and surrogate taxes will be paid.   Or you'll be against the wall.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:39:18 PM EST
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Does this mean all of my Brownells orders have also been sent to the government for review?
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:39:24 PM EST
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If member info was given to a gov agency, the members have a right to know which agency.
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This. Who the fuck was it? What fucking agency? How is such a request even legal?
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:40:25 PM EST
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My Georgia republicans love taxes.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:40:29 PM EST
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Government sure knows how to fuck up a good time.
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FPNI

Has got to be ATF or IRS.  Doesn't really matter which, both exist to be assholes.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:41:19 PM EST
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The site has been getting a lot of “emails” lately.

How would a group buy through (insert name here) be different than buying off their site without the discount?

This issue is easily remedied without shutting down the forum.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:41:25 PM EST
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FPNI

Has got to be ATF or IRS.  Doesn't really matter which, both exist to be assholes.
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It has to be a state's department of revenue. Or several.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:41:41 PM EST
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So anybody belong to any other forums and having this happen?
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I bought some HIDs from a group buy on VW Vortex about 12 years ago. Will they come for me next?  
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:41:43 PM EST
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Fuck the tax collectors with a rusty rake.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:42:12 PM EST
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Lots of happenings since Brownells bought ARFCorp.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:42:12 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:42:55 PM EST
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Glad I've never participated in one of the group buys.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:43:23 PM EST
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Up next. Brownells group buy program.
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I'll sign up for that.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:43:35 PM EST
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Uhh--hate to get like, LAWYER like and stuff but..

1. No subpoena, they can fuck themselves.

2.  Unless said subpeona SPECIFICALLY said you cannot disclose the agency involved, then under Public Records laws in every state I am aware of, and under FOIA, then you CAN disclose said agency.

3.  If the subpoena HAD a "Shut up who it is clause", then you SHOULD be afforded a right to challenge the non-disclosure.

This whole sounds fucky, and I do this for a living.....

I pay to enjoy this website because I deal with fuckwits, addicts, and liars ALL DAY LONG; this website was for general enjoyment and to talk gun stuff.  You disclose MY personal info absent a subpoena that I as an aggrieved party have a right to challenge, and we are going to have a problem.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:44:09 PM EST
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You paid your taxes on any winnings from the annual Arfcom Giveaway, right?

That counts as income.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:44:14 PM EST
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Glad I've never participated in one of the group buys.
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Do not think for one second that all EE firearms transactions are next.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:44:15 PM EST
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Okay what the fuck is going on around here?
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:44:42 PM EST
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I can't find anything anywhere else about other group buy forums being shut down or receiving any notice like this.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:44:55 PM EST
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What in the absolute fuck is going on with this place...
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:45:47 PM EST
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Uhh--hate to get like, LAWYER like and stuff but..

1. No subpoena, they can fuck themselves.

2.  Unless said subpeona SPECIFICALLY said you cannot disclose the agency involved, then under Public Records laws in every state I am aware of, and under FOIA, then you CAN disclose said agency.

3.  If the subpoena HAD a "Shut up who it is clause", then you SHOULD be afforded a right to challenge the non-disclosure.

This whole sounds fucky, and I do this for a living.....

I pay to enjoy this website because I deal with fuckwits, addicts, and liars ALL DAY LONG; this website was for general enjoyment and to talk gun stuff.  You disclose MY personal info absent a subpoena that I as an aggrieved party have a right to challenge, and we are going to have a problem.
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Class action?  
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:45:53 PM EST
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Uhh--hate to get like, LAWYER like and stuff but..

1. No subpoena, they can fuck themselves.

2.  Unless said subpeona SPECIFICALLY said you cannot disclose the agency involved, then under Public Records laws in every state I am aware of, and under FOIA, then you CAN disclose said agency.

3.  If the subpoena HAD a "Shut up who it is clause", then you SHOULD be afforded a right to challenge the non-disclosure.

This whole sounds fucky, and I do this for a living.....

I pay to enjoy this website because I deal with fuckwits, addicts, and liars ALL DAY LONG; this website was for general enjoyment and to talk gun stuff.  You disclose MY personal info absent a subpoena that I as an aggrieved party have a right to challenge, and we are going to have a problem.
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Nice..

the whole thing gonna change this place bigly and not in a good way.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:45:59 PM EST
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You paid your taxes on any winnings from the annual Arfcom Giveaway, right?

That counts as income.
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I've figured out a brilliant plan around that problem by never winning one.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:46:16 PM EST
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This is some King Gorge the III crap, we revolted against the crown because of this. What’s next, Lord Fairfax is going to send out tax collectors?
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:46:17 PM EST
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Where's the pit thread ?
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:46:18 PM EST
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You paid your taxes on any winnings from the annual Arfcom Giveaway, right?

That counts as income.
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Glad I've never participated in one of the group buys.
You paid your taxes on any winnings from the annual Arfcom Giveaway, right?

That counts as income.
I don't have to worry about that!

I win nothing.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:47:07 PM EST
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Whatever happened to “only with a warrant”?

Or...

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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:47:37 PM EST
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I've figured out a brilliant plan around that problem by never winning one.
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You paid your taxes on any winnings from the annual Arfcom Giveaway, right?

That counts as income.
I've figured out a brilliant plan around that problem by never winning one.
Never won a raffle here either? (Oh, and raffles had better legal in your state if you participated)
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:47:44 PM EST
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The site has been getting a lot of “emails” lately.

How would a group buy through (insert name here) be different than buying off their site without the discount?

This issue is easily remedied without shutting down the forum.
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Well,for starters,it appears arfcom wouldn't be turning over personal info to the .gov agency that can't be named.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:48:27 PM EST
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I blame the government
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LOL
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:48:30 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:48:31 PM EST
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Well, he didn't ask about the IRS.  

I still think this is a troll thread...it has to be.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:48:48 PM EST
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Is the agency’s website Brownells.gov?

Just kidding with our new Brownells overlords, please don’t slow down my current order.
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I really need to find somewhere else to buy my BRD stuff.

Oh wait, any day now,  i probably shouldn't be ordering anything for BRD on account it will be banned.

FDJT

MIDWAYUSA FOR ALL MY B(LACK POWDER) DISEASE RIFLE NEEDS!!!

Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:48:49 PM EST
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Government ruins everything.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:48:52 PM EST
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That was before we bent the knee to the crown. Now the precedent has been set and compliance is the order of the day.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:48:59 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:49:41 PM EST
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You paid your taxes on any winnings from the annual Arfcom Giveaway, right?

That counts as income.
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Glad I've never participated in one of the group buys.
You paid your taxes on any winnings from the annual Arfcom Giveaway, right?

That counts as income.
I've never won anything from one of them.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:50:25 PM EST
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What in the absolute fuck is going on with this place...
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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:51:02 PM EST
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And what about taxes on prizes at COLA? Maybe a list of members and guests that attended? Has the OP been updated with the new info on the 'request'? What else are you NOT telling us?
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:52:25 PM EST
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Ha!  I’ve never won.

Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:52:38 PM EST
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I, for one, welcome our new .gov overlords!
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:52:42 PM EST
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I really need to find somewhere else to buy my BRD stuff.

Oh wait, any day now,  i probably shouldn't be ordering anything for BRD on account it will be banned.

FDJT

MIDWAYUSA FOR ALL MY B(LACK POWDER) DISEASE RIFLE NEEDS!!!

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Is the agency’s website Brownells.gov?

Just kidding with our new Brownells overlords, please don’t slow down my current order.
I really need to find somewhere else to buy my BRD stuff.

Oh wait, any day now,  i probably shouldn't be ordering anything for BRD on account it will be banned.

FDJT

MIDWAYUSA FOR ALL MY B(LACK POWDER) DISEASE RIFLE NEEDS!!!

I placed an order with both around midnight Saturday, Midway shipped faster. Just in case you needed any convincing.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:53:09 PM EST
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Next will be handing over IMs from members in ban states to people selling standard capacity mags, etc
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:53:51 PM EST
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For anyone in group buys or members who used the EE?
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We had to give a record of all the sales and participants, so you'll receive an IM if you are affected.  If you don't receive one by Friday, you are unaffected.
For anyone in group buys or members who used the EE?
That's next right - all private EE transaction correspondence will be requested and handed over.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:53:55 PM EST
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They are not going to list the name of the .gov agency because they know members will send nasty messages to the .gov agency.....
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 6:53:57 PM EST
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BTW:  This is a perfect subject to throw a couple of hand grenades into the room then run out of.  
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Yeah lol whatever.

"Roll over boy..."
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