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Posted: 3/24/2021 2:52:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your points are true and valid. But just to provide a counter, it is also a resource for the accused party to make the talk die down quickly. To end the daily updates from their lawyers and the circus parade. Pay them off, get the NDA's signed, and try and put it as far behind you as possible, as quickly as possible. So it has benefits for accused parties as well, especially if they know they are guilty of what is being accused. Unfortunately that might be the best scenario to get past this and move on...what a shit show. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 2:54:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While you don't use the specific word "guilty", you're insinuation is not missed by anyone... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Majority in this thread already have him as guilty without knowing all the facts, which was my point in comparing this to the Duke LaCrosse case. Considering this post was the first time you made the comparison and you posted it early on page 1 it's pretty obvious that wasn't your point. At least not then. As more people point out the fallacies in your logic you are attempting to move the goal posts. Quoted: So the attorney lives on the same street as the Texans owner. To me, having watched Watson play at Clemson, this screams Duke LaCrosse case. However, if he did contact via Instagram there will be evidence.  keep spinning. You have him guilty from the get go. You continued to focus of xx number of accusers vs 1 with the Duke case, despite me even posting several times to ignore the numbers and look at the whole case. You also didn't quote me where I pointed out the similarities. Your cherry picking to win your argument that he is guilty (despite not having all the evidence and ignoring "innocent until proven guilty") makes me think you might be an Alabama fan. Now we can add "attacking strawmen" to you list of tactics. Point out where I said he was guilty. Go on. I'll wait. While you don't use the specific word "guilty", you're insinuation is not missed by anyone... Quoted: Yeah, it looks like perhaps his kink was the specific situation itself. Sure, he could have hired hookers to roleplay it, but maybe "pretend" wasn't enough for him to get his rocks off. Your proof of me attempting "to win my argument that he is guilty" is a post about Watson "perhaps" having a kink? So nowhere then. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 2:54:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally...  If the women in question pounce on a quick settlement, it doesn’t exactly squash the theory that this was a money grab all along, though... I’ll bet it makes Watson a little more cautious in who he pays to pull his pud, though... |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 2:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A 25 y/o QB with millions coming in....why didn't he just hire hookers? A POSSIBLE theory is PERHAPS he has a specific kink about the situation and that hiring hookers to role play it wasn't enough to get his rocks off. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 2:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of all the conspiracies mentioned so far, that is by far the most believable, but would also rely on believing that the Texans would rather destroy their own investment then trade him or let him sit out. I don't have any doubt in my mind that SOMEONE else knew what was going on. One of the accusers said she had other players contacting her afterwords on a referral from "Big D". And with "several sources" saying Watson was asking people how to find masseuses, I'm sure at least one of them was aware of what Watson was actually looking for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is highly doubtful, but possible, I suppose... unless the Texans knew about this all along and sat on it as long as he was "their guy". Again, that's a little conspiracy-ish for my taste, though. Of all the conspiracies mentioned so far, that is by far the most believable, but would also rely on believing that the Texans would rather destroy their own investment then trade him or let him sit out. I don't have any doubt in my mind that SOMEONE else knew what was going on. One of the accusers said she had other players contacting her afterwords on a referral from "Big D". And with "several sources" saying Watson was asking people how to find masseuses, I'm sure at least one of them was aware of what Watson was actually looking for. Solicitation is illegal, but it’s not the same as being a predator. The former is looking likely, the latter (in spite of the witch hunt crew) is yet to be determined. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 2:57:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is highly doubtful, but possible, I suppose... unless the Texans knew about this all along and sat on it as long as he was “their guy”. Again, that’s a little conspiracy-ish for my taste, though. The timing of this would make for an odd coincidence, admittedly. The thing with the conspiracy theories is that there needs to be an element of control over the situation from whoever is masterminding it. Watching this balloon from 1 accusation to possibly 20+ makes it appear as if it is out of control, which makes all the conspiracy theories seem doubtful. So far it would appear that this is swinging heavily into the danger zone for permanently damaging Watsons reputation/career and being a PR nightmare for the Texans. Realistically though, I'm not sure this has gone far enough quite yet to be permanently damaging. I think that would come once more evidence is actually released. Until then, while the theories might not be likely anymore, I think they're still in play. A settlement at this stage of things would mean it pretty much disappears, especially since the media isn't pushing anything about it. We've seen quite a few situations where some #metoo stuff is thrown out against someone, SJW's cancel them, and then the accusations basically fade away without a resolution. Some time goes by and the SJW's attention gets diverted elsewhere and the accused goes back to doing their thing. As long as Watson or the Texans can still achieve that ending scenario I think the conspiracy theories will have a possibility of being in play, even if the chances are slim. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 2:58:14 PM EDT
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I'm recommending that Florio video again. If you have 30 minutes to listen, they really go out on a number of things including how Hardin's statement was a huge negative for Watson. Especially since so few of the sports shows are really getting into the accusations this deeply.
 Deshaun Watson now facing 16 lawsuits from accusers | Pro Football Talk | NBC Sports "Innocent or guilty, the moment for Deshaun Watson to recognize there was a problem that needed to be taken seriously and not flatly denied was when the first case came his way, but apparently however it was handled, it lit the fuse for 16 or up to 24 more. Buzbee may have been content to resolve this one quietly, the first one, and that would have been the end of it and we would have never known about it." |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:01:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your points are true and valid. But just to provide a counter, it is also a resource for the accused party to make the talk die down quickly. To end the daily updates from their lawyers and the circus parade. Pay them off, get the confidentiality clauses signed, and try and put it as far behind you as possible, as quickly as possible. So it has benefits for accused parties as well, especially if they know they are guilty of what is being accused. Edit: Florio later on speaks about once you get those clauses signed, the accusers are barred from speaking to the NFL as well, the NFL has no subpoena power to force them to speak against the clause. Oh there are absolutely benefits, that's what makes it a appealing solution. Pretty much any rational person would look at a lawsuit like that and conclude the route with the least disturbance to the status quo would be to simply pay a settlement. Realistically that's a flaw in our legal system, but it is what it is. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:01:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing with the conspiracy theories is that there needs to be an element of control over the situation from whoever is masterminding it. Watching this balloon from 1 accusation to possibly 20+ makes it appear as if it is out of control, which makes all the conspiracy theories seem doubtful. So far it would appear that this is swinging heavily into the danger zone for permanently damaging Watsons reputation/career and being a PR nightmare for the Texans. Realistically though, I'm not sure this has gone far enough quite yet to be permanently damaging. I think that would come once more evidence is actually released. Until then, while the theories might not be likely anymore, I think they're still in play. A settlement at this stage of things would mean it pretty much disappears, especially since the media isn't pushing anything about it. We've seen quite a few situations where some #metoo stuff is thrown out against someone, SJW's cancel them, and then the accusations basically fade away without a resolution. Some time goes by and the SJW's attention gets diverted elsewhere and the accused goes back to doing their thing. As long as Watson or the Texans can still achieve that ending scenario I think the conspiracy theories will have a possibility of being in play, even if the chances are slim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is highly doubtful, but possible, I suppose... unless the Texans knew about this all along and sat on it as long as he was “their guy”. Again, that’s a little conspiracy-ish for my taste, though. The timing of this would make for an odd coincidence, admittedly. The thing with the conspiracy theories is that there needs to be an element of control over the situation from whoever is masterminding it. Watching this balloon from 1 accusation to possibly 20+ makes it appear as if it is out of control, which makes all the conspiracy theories seem doubtful. So far it would appear that this is swinging heavily into the danger zone for permanently damaging Watsons reputation/career and being a PR nightmare for the Texans. Realistically though, I'm not sure this has gone far enough quite yet to be permanently damaging. I think that would come once more evidence is actually released. Until then, while the theories might not be likely anymore, I think they're still in play. A settlement at this stage of things would mean it pretty much disappears, especially since the media isn't pushing anything about it. We've seen quite a few situations where some #metoo stuff is thrown out against someone, SJW's cancel them, and then the accusations basically fade away without a resolution. Some time goes by and the SJW's attention gets diverted elsewhere and the accused goes back to doing their thing. As long as Watson or the Texans can still achieve that ending scenario I think the conspiracy theories will have a possibility of being in play, even if the chances are slim. If one were playing that angle, though, it’s potentially true that it was intended to be a PR ploy to get Deshawn back onto the plantation, so to speak, that blew out of control as soon as #1’s lawyer put out a cattle call for more stories... I am not inclined to believe stuff like this, though... too many moving parts. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:02:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO.  |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:03:32 PM EDT
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Edit: Wrong thread.
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO. Huh? Your responses are making less and less sense as this thread goes on. Now you want to wrestle over the one point we agree on? |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh? Your responses are making less and less sense as this thread goes on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO. Huh? Your responses are making less and less sense as this thread goes on. You post didn't say how I was wrong or even what I was wrong about. It shouldn't be that complicated of a concept to grasp. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:09:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A 25 y/o QB with millions coming in....why didn't he just hire hookers? The same reason there's Peeping Toms and voyeurs when the internet is full of free porn. Some people get off more on the "danger" than the actual sex stuff. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:11:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If one were playing that angle, though, it’s potentially true that it was intended to be a PR ploy to get Deshawn back onto the plantation, so to speak, that blew out of control as soon as #1’s lawyer put out a cattle call for more stories... I am not inclined to believe stuff like this, though... too many moving parts. I'm partial to the theory of it being from Watson's end. #1: If the reports of him never wanting to play for the Texans are accurate, AND the reports that the Texans are unwilling to trade Watson are accurate, then it means he is in a position to lose MILLIONS of dollars. Even if he just held out for 1 year and either he or the Texans reconsidered the position, he loses millions via fines and opportunity cost. #2: The only avenue for Watson getting paid, not playing for the Texans, and not being traded is to land on the commissioner's exempt list. If you're unfamiliar with the list, it's basically a "paid leave" while they investigate WTF is going on. The Texans would end up without their QB and still be on the hook for paying him, putting pressure on them to trade him. #3: Watson has direct access to everything needed for contacting these women, for massages or more, including setting up an agreement to accuse him but not take it far enough to become permanently damaging. #4: The whole lawyer living on the same street as the Texan's owner thing was initially viewed towards them being buddy buddy, but lots of neighbors hate each other And to be clear, I'm not saying this is what I believe or that it's the most likely, I'm just saying I would appreciate the 4d chess being played if it were true, lol. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:12:02 PM EDT
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Before Watson, what was the most allegations/suits filed against an active NFL player for DV, sexual assault, etc at the same time?
Roethlisberger had two, right? Or maybe those were at different times. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:14:09 PM EDT
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From that Florio video:
"If you defend the civil cases, you're going to be called to testify at some point. What do you do? Do you take the 5th? Do you invoke your right against self incrimination? To protect yourself in the criminal cases. If you do that, criminal lawyer would say do that, don't talk, you can still be prosecuted, you're gonna lose every civil case in which you get on the witness stand and your response is I revoke my right against self incrimination. Those cases are done." "And if you do testify, you set yourself up to be twisted into knots by an experienced and skilled interrogator, who will potentially allow you to give the prosecution a transcript, of your own words, that will be used to fuel your prosecution." |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:16:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Before Watson, what was the most allegations/suits filed against an active NFL player for DV, sexual assault, etc at the same time? Roethlisberger had two, right? Or maybe those were at different times. Ben's were a year apart. I have no idea on the answer to that question, but I can say I don't remember anyone having more than a couple at once (while an active player). If you count inactive, then Kellen Winslow II was JUST sent to prison for raping 5 women. Edit: Pacman had a bunch of female accusations for violence, but they were all separate I believe. Edit: Brandon Marshall was accused of DV numerous time, but most were the same woman over a number of years. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:18:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You post didn't say how I was wrong or even what I was wrong about. It shouldn't be that complicated of a concept to grasp. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO. Huh? Your responses are making less and less sense as this thread goes on. You post didn't say how I was wrong or even what I was wrong about. It shouldn't be that complicated of a concept to grasp. Dude, I fucking agreed with you on something. Adjust your meds or something... |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:25:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, I fucking agreed with you on something. Adjust your meds or something... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO. Huh? Your responses are making less and less sense as this thread goes on. You post didn't say how I was wrong or even what I was wrong about. It shouldn't be that complicated of a concept to grasp. Dude, I fucking agreed with you on something. Adjust your meds or something... Yes, clearly you meant for this post to be taken as a positive. Quoted: What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:27:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well he certainly has his habits doesn't he? How dumb can this guy be. Shit. If you want to get a finger up your butt hole and a rub and tug, there are people out there who can be paid to do that. Don't just go around springing it on some person who truly is just there to provide a massage. I dont know how he figured that wouldn't come back to bite him. No kidding. You'd think he'd have some selfish sense of self preservation, so he can get his kinks on AND still be paid an absurd amount of money, to run and catch a ball. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:27:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ben's were a year apart. I have no idea on the answer to that question, but I can say I don't remember anyone having more than a couple at once (while an active player). If you count inactive, then Kellen Winslow II was JUST sent to prison for raping 5 women. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Before Watson, what was the most allegations/suits filed against an active NFL player for DV, sexual assault, etc at the same time? Roethlisberger had two, right? Or maybe those were at different times. Ben's were a year apart. I have no idea on the answer to that question, but I can say I don't remember anyone having more than a couple at once (while an active player). If you count inactive, then Kellen Winslow II was JUST sent to prison for raping 5 women. Whether Watson is guilty or innocent it makes for one hell of story either way and something that has never happened in the history of pro American sports. Of course, you wouldn't think that to look at the sports media's coverage of it. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:30:21 PM EDT
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When Goodell suspended Ben:
I recognize that the allegations in Georgia were disputed and that they did not result in criminal charges being filed against you. My decision today is not based on a finding that you violated Georgia law, or on a conclusion that differs from that of the local prosecutor. That said, you are held to a higher standard as an NFL player, and there is nothing about your conduct in Milledgeville that can remotely be described as admirable, responsible, or consistent with either the values of the league or the expectations of our fans. Your conduct raises sufficient concerns that I believe effective intervention now is the best step for your personal and professional welfare Even if Watson does settle all these suits privately and that ends all the talk and no criminal charges come. He will be suspended. No question in my mind. However if he takes this to court and fights it, I think the odds of him not playing again EVER start to go up, higher and higher. If he settles this now, and ends it, there is at least a greater likely hood of him moving on with his career. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:30:40 PM EDT
[#24]
Who is Deshuan Watson? Never heard of her.
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:32:17 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, clearly you meant for this post to be taken as a positive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO. Huh? Your responses are making less and less sense as this thread goes on. You post didn't say how I was wrong or even what I was wrong about. It shouldn't be that complicated of a concept to grasp. Dude, I fucking agreed with you on something. Adjust your meds or something... Yes, clearly you meant for this post to be taken as a positive. Quoted: What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... It was intended to be a lighthearted jab at the fact that we agreed on a point (note the emoji thing) when we disagree about nearly everything else, and yet you seem dead set on turning this into some kind of you-vs-me personal grudge match. Lighten up, dude, what the fuck already... |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:35:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:36:23 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When Goodell suspended Ben: Even if Watson does settle all these suits privately and that ends all the talk and no criminal charges come. He will be suspended. No question in my mind. However if he takes this to court and fights it, I think the odds of him not playing again EVER start to go up, higher and higher. If he settles this now, and ends it, there is at least a greater likely hood of him moving on with his career. Quote HistoryQuoted: When Goodell suspended Ben: I recognize that the allegations in Georgia were disputed and that they did not result in criminal charges being filed against you. My decision today is not based on a finding that you violated Georgia law, or on a conclusion that differs from that of the local prosecutor. That said, you are held to a higher standard as an NFL player, and there is nothing about your conduct in Milledgeville that can remotely be described as admirable, responsible, or consistent with either the values of the league or the expectations of our fans. Your conduct raises sufficient concerns that I believe effective intervention now is the best step for your personal and professional welfare Even if Watson does settle all these suits privately and that ends all the talk and no criminal charges come. He will be suspended. No question in my mind. However if he takes this to court and fights it, I think the odds of him not playing again EVER start to go up, higher and higher. If he settles this now, and ends it, there is at least a greater likely hood of him moving on with his career. Based on what we know about how the NFL (and especially Friel) operates I think the only way Watson avoids a suspension is if every single woman accusing him holds a press conference and admits they made the whole thing up. And even then that still might not be enough. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:36:32 PM EDT
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The question we have all been asking, brought up by a female CBS Sports legal analyst... "Why did this guy need so many masseuses?"
Video at the tweet: LINK |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:36:45 PM EDT
[#29]
And speaking of Friel: you remember that lead investigator in the Zeke case that spent about a year investigating it and said there wasn't enough there to warrant a suspension and then Friel and the god king dropped the hammer anyway? I recently saw she was fired not long after that.
I can't image why. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:36:53 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The respect comment was on Watson's Twitter, and somehow I don't think he has a social media team like Tom Brady does. I get the feeling Watson is controlling that Twitter, but potentially posted with advice of someone. I think the second part about his regular masseuse not being available was actually revealed by TMZ or some such from "several sources" who claim that is Watson said (about Covid) when he reached out to friends and teammates for recommendations in finding new masseuses. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I mean who is handling the public statements that, IMO, are obvious lies. Like how Watson "never treated ANY woman with anything but the utmost respect" and how the "only reason" Watson sought out these woman was because he couldn't see his regular masseuse due to COVID. The respect comment was on Watson's Twitter, and somehow I don't think he has a social media team like Tom Brady does. I get the feeling Watson is controlling that Twitter, but potentially posted with advice of someone. I think the second part about his regular masseuse not being available was actually revealed by TMZ or some such from "several sources" who claim that is Watson said (about Covid) when he reached out to friends and teammates for recommendations in finding new masseuses. For the record here's that tweet in case it eventually gets deleted Deshaun Watson (@deshaunwatson) March 17, 2021  |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:38:03 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The question we have all been asking, brought up by a female CBS Sports legal analyst... "Why did this guy need so many masseuses?" Video at the tweet: LINK How dim or naive does one have to be to think this was ever about legit massage? |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:40:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the record here's that tweet in case it eventually gets deleted Deshaun Watson (@deshaunwatson) March 17, 2021 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwptQoBWgAgkWUl?format=jpg&name=small Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I mean who is handling the public statements that, IMO, are obvious lies. Like how Watson "never treated ANY woman with anything but the utmost respect" and how the "only reason" Watson sought out these woman was because he couldn't see his regular masseuse due to COVID. The respect comment was on Watson's Twitter, and somehow I don't think he has a social media team like Tom Brady does. I get the feeling Watson is controlling that Twitter, but potentially posted with advice of someone. I think the second part about his regular masseuse not being available was actually revealed by TMZ or some such from "several sources" who claim that is Watson said (about Covid) when he reached out to friends and teammates for recommendations in finding new masseuses. For the record here's that tweet in case it eventually gets deleted Deshaun Watson (@deshaunwatson) March 17, 2021 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwptQoBWgAgkWUl?format=jpg&name=small And since then we have learned that one of the OTHER accusers tried to black mail him in January. So he had one masseuse, who he claims he had a consensual encounter with, trying to black mail him. Then we had a second, different, masseuse come to him for a private settlement, and then we know he was seeking massages/encounters with potentially DOZENS of women... And he STILL made that statement. The dude just doesn't get it. I don't know if it is because he is so young, or just dumb, but the dude handled this situation poorly (to put it lightly). This whole thing could have NEVER seen the light of day (as Florio said). He could have made it all go away, apparently for just $30k with the one woman, and six figures with the second. And considering he signed a 156 MILLION DOLLAR contract. That would have been cheap to ensure this never ever went public. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:41:28 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How dim or naive does one have to be to think this was ever about legit massage? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The question we have all been asking, brought up by a female CBS Sports legal analyst... "Why did this guy need so many masseuses?" Video at the tweet: LINK How dim or naive does one have to be to think this was ever about legit massage? |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:43:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was intended to be a lighthearted jab at the fact that we agreed on a point (note the emoji thing) when we disagree about nearly everything else, and yet you seem dead set on turning this into some kind of you-vs-me personal grudge match. Lighten up, dude, what the fuck already... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO. Huh? Your responses are making less and less sense as this thread goes on. You post didn't say how I was wrong or even what I was wrong about. It shouldn't be that complicated of a concept to grasp. Dude, I fucking agreed with you on something. Adjust your meds or something... Yes, clearly you meant for this post to be taken as a positive. Quoted: What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... It was intended to be a lighthearted jab at the fact that we agreed on a point (note the emoji thing) when we disagree about nearly everything else, and yet you seem dead set on turning this into some kind of you-vs-me personal grudge match. Lighten up, dude, what the fuck already... It seems pretty obvious that's not what you intended, but whatever. Moving on. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:43:41 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Is being discussed actively in the Official 2021 NFL Discussion Thread but was smartly mentioned by @Hunter-Killer that we should have a dedicated thread for discussing just Deshaun Watson as this will likely continue for an extended period of time. For those unaware, we now have thirteen civil suits filed accusing Deshaun Watson of sexual assault. There could be at least 9 more pending (being vetted by the attorney) with an unknown number more following that (no update since Friday). Links to each individual suit based on time and date filed (might not match news order): Suit 1: https://pdfhost.io/v/h65BTEwlD_Suit_1PDF.pdf Suit 2: https://pdfhost.io/v/zxlLOM1bM_Suit_2PDF.pdf Suit 3: https://pdfhost.io/v/IcDXV~wPg_Suit_3PDF.pdf Suit 4: https://pdfhost.io/v/es1y6kBsG_Suit_4PDF.pdf Suit 5: https://pdfhost.io/v/g9EJ8Qeq3_Suit_5PDF.pdf Suit 6: https://pdfhost.io/v/a9ktDqz~X_Suit_6PDF.pdf Suit 7: https://pdfhost.io/v/TXV1Qu4gX_Suit_7PDF.pdf Suit 8: https://pdfhost.io/v/9w4qJf.m6_Suit_8PDF.pdf Suit 9: https://pdfhost.io/v/FgcwNjcbE_Suit_9PDF.pdf Suit 10: https://pdfhost.io/v/auzEusgko_Suit_10PDF.pdf Suit 11: https://pdfhost.io/v/gaX9dOtth_Suit_11PDF.pdf Suit 12: https://pdfhost.io/v/.W5XAsVJ1_Suit_12PDF.pdf Suit 13: https://pdfhost.io/v/SoQVncN48_Suit_13PDF.pdf Suit 14: https://pdfhost.io/v/MUtUPLwJ3_Suit_14PDF.pdf Suit 15: https://pdfhost.io/v/WpbPxIuZa_Suit_15PDF.pdf Suit 16: https://pdfhost.io/v/freNpWzHe_Suit_16PDF.pdf Super brief timeline and description for TLDR folks. Was specifically targeting massage therapists (and related fields), almost all through Instagram. https://i.imgur.com/BV8GiFU.png?1 Edit: 3/23 - Added 14th suit Edit: 3/24 - Added 15th and 16th suits Whoa whoa defecation??? |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:43:42 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the point. She says in there, why would you need 48 masseuses, that in itself looks incriminating. Builds a pattern of him seeking out women in a sexual context. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The question we have all been asking, brought up by a female CBS Sports legal analyst... "Why did this guy need so many masseuses?" Video at the tweet: LINK How dim or naive does one have to be to think this was ever about legit massage? Of course he sought out women in a sexual context... That was never a point of contention. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:44:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems pretty obvious that's not what you intended, but whatever. Moving on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO. Huh? Your responses are making less and less sense as this thread goes on. You post didn't say how I was wrong or even what I was wrong about. It shouldn't be that complicated of a concept to grasp. Dude, I fucking agreed with you on something. Adjust your meds or something... Yes, clearly you meant for this post to be taken as a positive. Quoted: What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... It was intended to be a lighthearted jab at the fact that we agreed on a point (note the emoji thing) when we disagree about nearly everything else, and yet you seem dead set on turning this into some kind of you-vs-me personal grudge match. Lighten up, dude, what the fuck already... It seems pretty obvious that's not what you intended, but whatever. Moving on. Seriously? You have been trying to make this personal since you first quoted me in this thread. You’re wound way too tight, man... relax a little. We don’t have to be friends or whatever, but chill the fuck out. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:45:29 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whoa whoa defecation??? The accuser has stated that she was so frightened, and shocked, by a forced oral rape, that she defecated herself. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:47:12 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And since then we have learned that one of the OTHER accusers tried to black mail him in January. So he had one masseuse, who he claims he had a consensual encounter with, trying to black mail him. Then we had a second, different, masseuse come to him for a private settlement, and then we know he was seeking massages/encounters with potentially DOZENS of women... And he STILL made that statement. The dude just doesn't get it. I don't know if it is because he is so young, or just dumb, but the dude handled this situation poorly (to put it lightly). This whole thing could have NEVER seen the light of day (as Florio said). He could have made it all go away, apparently for just $30k with the one woman, and six figures with the second. And considering he signed a 156 MILLION DOLLAR contract. That would have been cheap to ensure this never ever went public. It's not uncommon for young superstar athletes to have a warped sense of how the real world works and every place he's been for the past decade Watson has been THE superstar athlete. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:47:27 PM EDT
[#40]
One of you two just needs to be alright with not having the last word and end the quote/reply chain already.
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Posted: 3/24/2021 3:48:45 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously? You have been trying to make this personal since you first quoted me in this thread. You’re wound way too tight, man... relax a little. We don’t have to be friends or whatever, but chill the fuck out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... So don't point out HOW someone is wrong, just make a blanket statement without anything to back it up in a poor attempt to get a rip in. Well, if nothing else, you certainly have an MO. Huh? Your responses are making less and less sense as this thread goes on. You post didn't say how I was wrong or even what I was wrong about. It shouldn't be that complicated of a concept to grasp. Dude, I fucking agreed with you on something. Adjust your meds or something... Yes, clearly you meant for this post to be taken as a positive. Quoted: What do you know, you’re actually right about something in this thread, finally... It was intended to be a lighthearted jab at the fact that we agreed on a point (note the emoji thing) when we disagree about nearly everything else, and yet you seem dead set on turning this into some kind of you-vs-me personal grudge match. Lighten up, dude, what the fuck already... It seems pretty obvious that's not what you intended, but whatever. Moving on. Seriously? You have been trying to make this personal since you first quoted me in this thread. You’re wound way too tight, man... relax a little. We don’t have to be friends or whatever, but chill the fuck out. I said "whatever, moving on" and yet you're still keeping it going. Let it go. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 4:01:51 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm recommending that Florio video again. If you have 30 minutes to listen, they really go out on a number of things including how Hardin's statement was a huge negative for Watson. Especially since so few of the sports shows are really getting into the accusations this deeply.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_UjN5tZubo"Innocent or guilty, the moment for Deshaun Watson to recognize there was a problem that needed to be taken seriously and not flatly denied was when the first case came his way, but apparently however it was handled, it lit the fuse for 16 or up to 24 more. Buzbee may have been content to resolve this one quietly, the first one, and that would have been the end of it and we would have never known about it." Florio is a smart, smart man...very knowledgeable. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 4:04:23 PM EDT
[#43]
Man, reading more Tweets. Some of these people out here are trying to explain how the Texans are doing this to Watson and they just sound like Charlie explaining the mail conspiracy in Sunny in Philly.
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Posted: 3/24/2021 4:09:21 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Florio is a smart, smart man...very knowledgeable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm recommending that Florio video again. If you have 30 minutes to listen, they really go out on a number of things including how Hardin's statement was a huge negative for Watson. Especially since so few of the sports shows are really getting into the accusations this deeply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_UjN5tZubo"Innocent or guilty, the moment for Deshaun Watson to recognize there was a problem that needed to be taken seriously and not flatly denied was when the first case came his way, but apparently however it was handled, it lit the fuse for 16 or up to 24 more. Buzbee may have been content to resolve this one quietly, the first one, and that would have been the end of it and we would have never known about it." Florio is a smart, smart man...very knowledgeable. If Watson had that kind of counsel (and actually listened to it) its likely this situation would be over. Hell, the NFL might not have even found out about it. Instead it's shaping up to be the the most high profile case(s) involving an active top 20 player in the history of American pro sports. At least in the past 100 years anyway. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 4:09:51 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of you two just needs to be alright with not having the last word and end the quote/reply chain already. HK let someone else get the last word? LOL |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 4:13:44 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, reading more Tweets. Some of these people out here are trying to explain how the Texans are doing this to Watson and they just sound like Charlie explaining the mail conspiracy in Sunny in Philly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Glfe6UeXQHaha, such a great show. The first 3 or 4 seasons anyway. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 4:15:00 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. On that you and I agree. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 4:18:10 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On that you and I agree. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If he is guilty and knows he's guilty, then I absolutely think that would be the best course of action for him. He'd still take a HUGE hit, but not as bad as if all the details come out. On that you and I agree. 
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Posted: 3/24/2021 4:25:10 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No kidding. You'd think he'd have some selfish sense of self preservation, so he can get his kinks on AND still be paid an absurd amount of money, to run and catch a ball. Bro you don't even know what quarterbacks do? Why are you in this thread?
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Posted: 3/24/2021 4:26:25 PM EDT
[#50]
Just listened to a nice take from Molly Qerim (the female host of ESPN's First Take) from yesterday. Video at the Tweet: https://twitter.com/FirstTake/status/1374453074505297923
I agree with her. There was (yet another) opportunity for the NFL to prove that they are serious when it comes to allegations of domestic violence or sexual assault and to make a quick action to show that. They are again missing an opportunity here. You can put Deshaun Watson on the Commissioner's Exempt list IMMEDIATELY. The list allows Watson to continue to be paid. It doesn't take him off the trade market. It's the off-season so you don't have to worry about him missing games. Hell, we are pre-draft, so he won't even miss any team meetings for the near future. You can call it the equivalent of paid administrative leave for an officer who was just involved in a shooting. You are not assuming Watson is guilty or innocent. You are simply isolating and protecting both him and the shield while the investigation occurs. She makes some really valid points. The NFL is definitely botching this, once again, from a PR perspective. |
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