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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:44:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, when is it going to go boom? My patience is wearing thin and I am about to loose interest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Slightly off topic: There are many subject areas I don't know much about, and I come here to interact with my peers and betters to learn. When I get the chance to give back, I do. The current day job is a polar opposite of geology, volcanology...Earth science in general, yet all of those systems can affect what I do in both a positive and negative sense. So I study everything I can about everything I can. Back to the eruption...I'm going to look at the seismo plots later and see if there's a directional trend to them. As the hot spot migrates, so too will the eruptive center. OK, when is it going to go boom? My patience is wearing thin and I am about to loose interest. 2 days before the day after tomorrow. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 8:02:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If It gets big enough SpaceX can build a mid Atlantic space port. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 8:20:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, when is it going to go boom? My patience is wearing thin and I am about to loose interest. If the magma supply transitions to a type that's more viscous and higher in CO2 content...or if one of the quakes opens up a conduit into the upper magma chamber through which sea water can enter in sufficient quantities. Rampino (of SUNY) did something on Krakatoa and stratification of the magma chamber as it relates to the eruptive sequence. Let me see if I can find it. ETA: All good things are behind paywalls these days, it seems... But here's a good listing of material that delves into topics we've discussed in the thread. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 8:31:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whole lot of quaking going on directly below those two dornant volcanos up on the peaks, and the clusters are bunching up in the past day Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I read something around the time this thing first kicked off about undersea activity being detected south of the island. Would make sense if the fault which has currently opened up extends away in that direction. Off to find a fault map if one exists. Whole lot of quaking going on directly below those two dornant volcanos up on the peaks, and the clusters are bunching up in the past day What's the depth and direction trend with time...moving upwards or downwards? |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 8:34:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the depth and direction trend with time...moving upwards or downwards? Still at about 14km, cluster is bunching up directly under them though, they were spread out earlier in the eruption  
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Posted: 10/6/2021 9:05:28 PM EST
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(ETA) - without more information, this is a SWAG, but:
It's possible that more magma is intruding into the chamber and inflating it faster than it can be erupted. Curious about how much (if any) crust is being entrained in that melt, and the rate of inclusion. Thus: Is the chamber getting larger? Would love to talk to the IGN crew and see what the inflation (ETA: or deflation) rate of the summit is, along with the emitted gas types, ratios and magma makeup. Also see what is known about the plume component - evidence of an impingement as the eruption trigger? |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:22:04 AM EST
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Found some data on the Volcanodiscovery page I linked earlier.
Right around the time of the start of the eruption there was approximately 120mm uplift of the fault from normal datum, along with a southward shift of roughly the same amount. The geodetic coordinate system has E, N and U(up) as its three axes. Looking at the U channel data over the last few days, one begins to see a slow decrease. The ridge is deflating due to lessening magma pressure. Stutzmech posted earthquake data that shows a gradual contraction of the radius of the quakes relative to the eruptive center (and presumably, to the magma chamber). Which makes sense if the chamber is starting to empty, and is more disc or elliptical (rather than spherical) in shape. Volcanic tremor remains somewhat constant, though I do see a lessening trend there as well...and tonight's fireworks aren't quite as energetic as the last several. Anyone else picking up on this? |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:30:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ARFCom group buy? We did my ladyfriend's flower beds and yard accents with small lava rocks last year...about the size of the stuff that's raining down on the towns below the vents. If anyone has access to earth moving equipment and a few dozen self loading/unloading cargo ships. I see money to be made. You know someone's going to.  Lava rock is not all the same. You are likely thinking of pumice stone, that bubbly rock that floats on water, from Hawaii, sweetened by the sun! Which this probably isn't that. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:38:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lava rock is not all the same. You are likely thinking of pumice stone, that bubbly rock that floats on water, from Hawaii, sweetened by the sun! Which this probably isn't that. The volcanic landscape rock we placed appeared to be heavier and of different texture than pumice, though not as dense as basalt. You knew you were picking up a bag of rock (and I got to unload a whole trunk full of it). Reminds me of some of the cinders in the close ups of this eruption. ETA: I'll try to float some of the stuff in her kitchen sink...or not. Might I blame you for the fallout, Nickmemphis? 
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:11:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The volcanic landscape rock we placed appeared to be heavier and of different texture than pumice, though not as dense as basalt. You knew you were picking up a bag of rock (and I got to unload a whole trunk full of it). Reminds me of some of the cinders in the close ups of this eruption. ETA: I'll try to float some of the stuff in her kitchen sink...or not. Might I blame you for the fallout, Nickmemphis? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lava rock is not all the same. You are likely thinking of pumice stone, that bubbly rock that floats on water, from Hawaii, sweetened by the sun! Which this probably isn't that. The volcanic landscape rock we placed appeared to be heavier and of different texture than pumice, though not as dense as basalt. You knew you were picking up a bag of rock (and I got to unload a whole trunk full of it). Reminds me of some of the cinders in the close ups of this eruption. ETA: I'll try to float some of the stuff in her kitchen sink...or not. Might I blame you for the fallout, Nickmemphis? There is a denser form that is very similar to pumice, which I forget the name of just now because of the early onset dementia, but it doesn't float. It could be that, but it's also a Hawaii export. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:12:47 AM EST
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But yeah, tell your wife I said fill up the sink with landscape rocks, blow up your desktop making fireworks, whatever.
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:22:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a denser form that is very similar to pumice, which I forget the name of just now because of the early onset dementia, but it doesn't float. It could be that, but it's also a Hawaii export. Scoria is the rock you are thinking of. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:31:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scoria is the rock you are thinking of. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is a denser form that is very similar to pumice, which I forget the name of just now because of the early onset dementia, but it doesn't float. It could be that, but it's also a Hawaii export. Scoria is the rock you are thinking of. Yeah that's it. 
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:35:57 AM EST
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Both pumice and scoria are not very gneiss. They are not even good schist.
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:36:42 AM EST
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Minerology dad jokes...
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:40:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both pumice and scoria are not very gneiss. They are not even good schist.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:42:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scoria is the rock you are thinking of. When referring to volcanic material, isn't scoria and "cinder" the same thing? |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:44:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When referring to volcanic material, isn't scoria and "cinder" the same thing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Scoria is the rock you are thinking of. When referring to volcanic material, isn't scoria and "cinder" the same thing? I'm not an expert, but I believe all scoria is cinders, but not all cinders are scoria. I'm likely to be wrong about that. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:45:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When referring to volcanic material, isn't scoria and "cinder" the same thing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Scoria is the rock you are thinking of. When referring to volcanic material, isn't scoria and "cinder" the same thing? Yes, I think so. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:46:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ARFCom group buy? We did my ladyfriend's flower beds and yard accents with small lava rocks last year...about the size of the stuff that's raining down on the towns below the vents. If anyone has access to earth moving equipment and a few dozen self loading/unloading cargo ships. I see money to be made. You know someone's going to. i say ARFCOM buy on the newly formed land. we can claim and settle. will be pretty kick ass!!
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Posted: 10/7/2021 4:31:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not an expert, but I believe all scoria is cinders, but not all cinders are scoria. I'm likely to be wrong about that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Scoria is the rock you are thinking of. When referring to volcanic material, isn't scoria and "cinder" the same thing? I'm not an expert, but I believe all scoria is cinders, but not all cinders are scoria. I'm likely to be wrong about that. All I know is they mine the cinder cones around here and we can get truckloads of red cinder or black cinder. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 9:27:37 AM EST
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Hey "experts" is the big wave happnen or what??? If it does, how much warning/time will the east coast have?
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Posted: 10/7/2021 9:27:58 AM EST
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Posted: 10/7/2021 9:31:30 AM EST
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Posted: 10/7/2021 10:51:07 AM EST
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Airport closed down due to ash again.
    
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Posted: 10/7/2021 10:52:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey "experts" is the big wave happnen or what??? If it does, how much warning/time will the east coast have? The so-called "rotten rock" theory has largely been debunked. Back story: The Cumbre Vieja has a number of dikes (vertical magma intrusions) that act as dams to water when they solidify. The lavas are relatively high in sulphur dioxide; mix rainwater in with any residual amounts of the stuff and you get sulphuric acid. That begins to attack the solid rocks holding the joint together. It was postulated that if enough rot occurs and you get a quake of sufficient magnitude, the mountain will fail at the decay points. Think "Florida condo collapse" on a hella larger scale. New analyses tend to debunk the theory as the mountain isn't steep enough for a whole-scale collapse to occur...though you may get localized landslides (as with St. Helens). While significant it by no means disrupted the entire mountain. Relief of pressure on the cryptodome (and the ensuing lateral blast) did that. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:08:49 AM EST
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I 'wish' that something could be added to a few pics of the volcano and lava flow for scale and to have an idea of their sizes.
The volcano really grew in height over the last two weeks. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:13:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back to the eruption...I'm going to look at the seismo plots later and see if there's a directional trend to them. As the hot spot migrates, so too will the eruptive center. Can you explain why the north end of the island looks like it came from a major erruption, the south end is showing a bunch of older smaller eruptions and now it is coming from the middle? I thought the eruptions followed a directional pattern due to plate movement, so how is it now coming from the middle? Is that island just small enough that plate movement doesn't effect it yet and the weakest area of the island is in middle so that is where it is punching through now? |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:15:04 AM EST
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Lot more gas coming out of lower vent this morning
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:16:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i say ARFCOM buy on the newly formed land. we can claim and settle. will be pretty kick ass!! We could start a gun factory and call it Rock Island Armory! Oh....wait 
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:19:19 AM EST
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La Palma rocked by another earthquake – magnitude of 4.3
October 7, 2021 https://inspain.news/la-palma-rocked-by-another-earthquake-magnitude-of-4-3/ La Palma grocery store shaking - https://twitter.com/i/status/1446146764877275137 The latest quake, which follows a day of relatively quiet seismic activity, was recorded at a 12.17 local time in Mazo, at a depth of 35 kilometres. A second tremor, measuring 3.8 was recorded at roughy the same depth, and a third of 3.4 was recorded at Fuencaliente at a depth of 12 kilometres. In addition, scientists are monitoring a lava flow which broke off from the main flow into the sea, taking a new direction, parallel to the current one, in the area of El Charcon. The stream is working its way through an area of La Palma island dedicated to the cultivation of banana trees. The beach is referred to as Playa del Volcán, because it is near one of the areas which was reclaimed from the sea by the San Juan volcano in 1949. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:35:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you explain why the north end of the island looks like it came from a major erruption, the south end is showing a bunch of older smaller eruptions and now it is coming from the middle? I thought the eruptions followed a directional pattern due to plate movement, so how is it now coming from the middle? Is that island just small enough that plate movement doesn't effect it yet and the weakest area of the island is in middle so that is where it is punching through now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Back to the eruption...I'm going to look at the seismo plots later and see if there's a directional trend to them. As the hot spot migrates, so too will the eruptive center. Can you explain why the north end of the island looks like it came from a major erruption, the south end is showing a bunch of older smaller eruptions and now it is coming from the middle? I thought the eruptions followed a directional pattern due to plate movement, so how is it now coming from the middle? Is that island just small enough that plate movement doesn't effect it yet and the weakest area of the island is in middle so that is where it is punching through now? The northernmost crater is actually a caldera. Remember the magmatic system is thought to be a hybrid.. combination of hot spot, subduction zone and linear faults. The Canaries themselves follow the hot spot track over time, but you will get localized variances. La Palma started at the big cone as a triple junction rift, and eventually the chamber feeding it collapsed - causing the top to fall inwards. New activity (including the current magma chambers) trended southward along deep fault lines. If you look at the plate boundaries, the axis runs somewhat parallel. It is a fairly complex system. Not your textbook setup by any means, and is a great "live" lab. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:37:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you explain why the north end of the island looks like it came from a major erruption, the south end is showing a bunch of older smaller eruptions and now it is coming from the middle? I thought the eruptions followed a directional pattern due to plate movement, so how is it now coming from the middle? Is that island just small enough that plate movement doesn't effect it yet and the weakest area of the island is in middle so that is where it is punching through now? So lava can erupt from anywhere there is a weakness it can push through. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:37:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We could start a gun factory and call it Rock Island Armory! Oh....wait Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: i say ARFCOM buy on the newly formed land. we can claim and settle. will be pretty kick ass!! We could start a gun factory and call it Rock Island Armory! Oh....wait R.I.A. East. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:45:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mantle plumes are large and deep. Fingers of magma coming up from it branch out like the branches of a tree. Even if the plume (trunk) has moved a bit... the branches extend laterally outward to encompass more than the whole island. So lava can erupt from anywhere there is a weakness it can push through. Forum needs a "Like" feature. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:50:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lot more gas coming out of lower vent this morning Feed is showing SO2 emissions at 13,100 tons/day, up from 8,700 previously. More of that means magma closer to the surface is being erupted...rather than deeper plume material. More localized melt. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 12:03:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey "experts" is the big wave happnen or what??? If it does, how much warning/time will the east coast have? Understanding the La Palma mega-landslide hypothesis: part 1 Understanding the La Palma mega-landslide hypothesis: part 2
A science story that just won’t die: the Canary Island Megatsunami scare rears its head once more |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 12:08:07 PM EST
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Per Afar.tv, the camera locations:
Camera 1 Location: Montana La Laguna (5km) Coords: N28.628809° W17.917217° Camera 2 Location: Roque de los Muchachos Observatory (16km) Coords: N28.754069° W17.889214° Camera 3 Location: Puerto Tazacorte 3.7km from Ocean Entry 7.9km from volcano Coords: N 28.754069° W17.889214° Edit to add: 
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:05:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Feed is showing SO2 emissions at 13,100 tons/day, up from 8,700 previously. In my attempt to expand my knowledge as well I just looked up some info on SO2. When I was a kid in the 1980s the biggest climate concern was acid rain and the ozone hole both of which were blamed on SO2 emissions. This was right after the biggest concern was "the coming Ice Age" from the late 1970s. To stop acid rain and deforestation SO2 emissions were greatly reduce "to save the planet". However, in the research I just raid it says SO2 gas has global cooling effect. Meaning the environmentalists that saved us from acid rain gave us global warming.  I wonder why the scientists don't talk about this aspect of the climate. To compare the volcano to the US SO2 "pollution", the EPA estimates that the US produces 35,616 tons a day vs this one volcano at 13,100. That begs the question, if La Palma keeps it up will winter weather come early this year? |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:14:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In my attempt to expand my knowledge as well I just looked up some info on SO2. When I was a kid in the 1980s the biggest climate concern was acid rain and the ozone hole both of which were blamed on SO2 emissions. This was right after the biggest concern was "the coming Ice Age" from the late 1970s. To stop acid rain and deforestation SO2 emissions were greatly reduce "to save the planet". However, in the research I just raid it says SO2 gas has global cooling effect. Meaning the environmentalists that saved us from acid rain gave us global warming. I wonder why the scientists don't talk about this aspect of the climate. To compare the volcano to the US SO2 "pollution", the EPA estimates that the US produces 35,616 tons a day vs this one volcano at 13,100. That begs the question, if La Palma keeps it up will winter weather come early this year? Not to mention all the other active volcanoes currently erupting. Off the top of my head... Iceland is erupting, Hawaii is erupting, Indonesia has an eruption, and I think there's an erupting volcano in Alaska as well. Oh and Mt Etna in Italy is erupting... oh and Sakurajima in Japan. Is there one in Mexico currently too? |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:28:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. Didn't know that. I just figured the deeper the ocean, the less a wave could build up to become something dangerous. If they got all the people in Guam to tip their island over and create a counter-wave, the east coast could be saved. I got that reference. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:38:32 PM EST
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I'm assuming this farmer used the lord's name in vain a day or two prior.
 
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:39:01 PM EST
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Lava vent (lower one) is now fountaining more and the uppers are primarily emitting gas and ash. U Channel on their GPS sensor is showing a deflation trend. Comments on Volcanodiscovery reflect this.
May be winding down, or may be cycling upon the next influx of deeper, hotter melt. Seismos will tell the story. If you get a lot more small quakes, things are refilling. Fewer, larger amplitude tremors indicates that the chamber is settling back into itself and is emptying. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:39:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to mention all the other active volcanoes currently erupting. Off the top of my head... Iceland is erupting, Hawaii is erupting, Indonesia has an eruption, and I think there's an erupting volcano in Alaska as well. Oh and Mt Etna in Italy is erupting... oh and Sakurajima in Japan. Is there one in Mexico currently too? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In my attempt to expand my knowledge as well I just looked up some info on SO2. When I was a kid in the 1980s the biggest climate concern was acid rain and the ozone hole both of which were blamed on SO2 emissions. This was right after the biggest concern was "the coming Ice Age" from the late 1970s. To stop acid rain and deforestation SO2 emissions were greatly reduce "to save the planet". However, in the research I just raid it says SO2 gas has global cooling effect. Meaning the environmentalists that saved us from acid rain gave us global warming. I wonder why the scientists don't talk about this aspect of the climate. To compare the volcano to the US SO2 "pollution", the EPA estimates that the US produces 35,616 tons a day vs this one volcano at 13,100. That begs the question, if La Palma keeps it up will winter weather come early this year? Not to mention all the other active volcanoes currently erupting. Off the top of my head... Iceland is erupting, Hawaii is erupting, Indonesia has an eruption, and I think there's an erupting volcano in Alaska as well. Oh and Mt Etna in Italy is erupting... oh and Sakurajima in Japan. Is there one in Mexico currently too? Exactly, yet they continue to claim climate change is 100% man made! Obviously what we produce has some effect on it but humans are not even close to the major factor. Another over looked statement from the environmentalist is how global warming has gotten so out of hand that is melting the permafrost revealing plant and animal life from 15,000 years ago. They phrase it that way to scare people that man made global warming is destroying the planet. BUT...if there were plants and animals living in near the arctic 15,000 years ago then that means the earth was much warmer than it was 15,000 years ago. What caused that "global warming" because it wasn't humans. Also what caused that global cooling and that froze everything and made it permafrost to begin with? That wasn't human either. In a news story about how man made global warming is destroying the planet they even say "The thawing ice also discloses plant life frozen in time from the Pleistocene epoch the period that spanned from 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago." but then skips over what cooled the earth to kill off that plant and animal life and covered it in permafrost. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:42:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm assuming this farmer used the lord's name in vain a day or two prior. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBHTb02XEAArzwA?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBHTb08WYAU4HvW?format=jpg&name=large Depends, if the lave flow extends his land out of the ocean does he get to claim that or will the government get to take it? Destroying 1 year of banana trees would be worth an extra 25 acres of ocean front property. But if the government takes the land and now he has no ocean front property plus the insurance company denying all claims because "it is an act of God" then a non-stop string is cussing would be expected. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:46:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, yet they continue to claim climate change is 100% man made! Obviously what we produce has some effect on it but humans are not even close to the major factor. Another over looked statement from the environmentalist is how global warming has gotten so out of hand that is melting the permafrost revealing plant and animal life from 15,000 years ago. They phrase it that way to scare people that man made global warming is destroying the planet. BUT...if there were plants and animals living in near the arctic 15,000 years ago then that means the earth was much warmer than it was 15,000 years ago. What caused that "global warming" because it wasn't humans. Also what caused that global cooling and that froze everything and made it permafrost to begin with? That wasn't human either. In a news story about how man made global warming is destroying the planet they even say "The thawing ice also discloses plant life frozen in time from the Pleistocene epoch the period that spanned from 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago." but then skips over what cooled the earth to kill off that plant and animal life and covered it in permafrost. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In my attempt to expand my knowledge as well I just looked up some info on SO2. When I was a kid in the 1980s the biggest climate concern was acid rain and the ozone hole both of which were blamed on SO2 emissions. This was right after the biggest concern was "the coming Ice Age" from the late 1970s. To stop acid rain and deforestation SO2 emissions were greatly reduce "to save the planet". However, in the research I just raid it says SO2 gas has global cooling effect. Meaning the environmentalists that saved us from acid rain gave us global warming. I wonder why the scientists don't talk about this aspect of the climate. To compare the volcano to the US SO2 "pollution", the EPA estimates that the US produces 35,616 tons a day vs this one volcano at 13,100. That begs the question, if La Palma keeps it up will winter weather come early this year? Not to mention all the other active volcanoes currently erupting. Off the top of my head... Iceland is erupting, Hawaii is erupting, Indonesia has an eruption, and I think there's an erupting volcano in Alaska as well. Oh and Mt Etna in Italy is erupting... oh and Sakurajima in Japan. Is there one in Mexico currently too? Exactly, yet they continue to claim climate change is 100% man made! Obviously what we produce has some effect on it but humans are not even close to the major factor. Another over looked statement from the environmentalist is how global warming has gotten so out of hand that is melting the permafrost revealing plant and animal life from 15,000 years ago. They phrase it that way to scare people that man made global warming is destroying the planet. BUT...if there were plants and animals living in near the arctic 15,000 years ago then that means the earth was much warmer than it was 15,000 years ago. What caused that "global warming" because it wasn't humans. Also what caused that global cooling and that froze everything and made it permafrost to begin with? That wasn't human either. In a news story about how man made global warming is destroying the planet they even say "The thawing ice also discloses plant life frozen in time from the Pleistocene epoch the period that spanned from 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago." but then skips over what cooled the earth to kill off that plant and animal life and covered it in permafrost. When you realize the climate change movement is more about control than the climate you can overlook all those pesky facts. In my opinion it has been used to create a false sense of panic for the sole purpose of implementing more draconian regulations and making Al Gore wealthy. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:47:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends, if the lave flow extends his land out of the ocean does he get to claim that or will the government get to take it? Destroying 1 year of banana trees would be worth an extra 25 acres of ocean front property. But if the government takes the land and now he has no ocean front property plus the insurance company denying all claims because "it is an act of God" then a non-stop string is cussing would be expected. Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends, if the lave flow extends his land out of the ocean does he get to claim that or will the government get to take it? Destroying 1 year of banana trees would be worth an extra 25 acres of ocean front property. But if the government takes the land and now he has no ocean front property plus the insurance company denying all claims because "it is an act of God" then a non-stop string is cussing would be expected. Almost positive the Spanish government passed a law in the 80's that any new land in these instances became gov owned. Ill have to look that up later to confirm. edit: The terrain that lava from the Cumbre Vieja volcano in the island of La Palma Win to the sea will automatically be the public land maritime domain, that is, property of the State, while the properties buried on the mainland by the magmatic runoff will remain private. However, the State is obliged to protect this new asset that is part of the geological heritage and therefore subject to the Natural Heritage and Biodiversity Law, so that it may or may not expropriate such properties. sounds like the farmer is going to get the entire shaft Nevertheless, the owners of the buried properties will no longer be able to build on them, Unless the geological or historical heritage is modified and “probably” these hectares engulfed by the volcano will be declared a protected area. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:50:44 PM EST
[#48]
 27 earthquakes today at 17:04 GMT mostly above Mag3 & Of which one at 11:17 GMT Mag4.3 at 35 km deep The island of Palma is cracking up everywhere.  Strange things happen here! Stronger earthquakes. The situation is stable. I hope it stays that way.  Magnitude 4.3 in Mazo, the largest earthquake since the volcano began, 35 kilometers deep |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:52:27 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost positive the Spanish government passed a law in the 80's that any new land in these instances became gov owned. Ill have to look that up later to confirm. edit: sounds like the farmer is going to get the entire shaft Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Depends, if the lave flow extends his land out of the ocean does he get to claim that or will the government get to take it? Destroying 1 year of banana trees would be worth an extra 25 acres of ocean front property. But if the government takes the land and now he has no ocean front property plus the insurance company denying all claims because "it is an act of God" then a non-stop string is cussing would be expected. Almost positive the Spanish government passed a law in the 80's that any new land in these instances became gov owned. Ill have to look that up later to confirm. edit: The terrain that lava from the Cumbre Vieja volcano in the island of La Palma Win to the sea will automatically be the public land maritime domain, that is, property of the State, while the properties buried on the mainland by the magmatic runoff will remain private. However, the State is obliged to protect this new asset that is part of the geological heritage and therefore subject to the Natural Heritage and Biodiversity Law, so that it may or may not expropriate such properties. sounds like the farmer is going to get the entire shaft Nevertheless, the owners of the buried properties will no longer be able to build on them, Unless the geological or historical heritage is modified and “probably” these hectares engulfed by the volcano will be declared a protected area. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:01:32 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you realize the climate change movement is more about control than the climate you can overlook all those pesky facts. In my opinion it has been used to create a false sense of panic for the sole purpose of implementing more draconian regulations and making Al Gore wealthy. If the truth can/will ever be told, "climate change" is going to go down as the biggest, longest running and most actively perpetuated money-making scam in history. |
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