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Posted: 3/4/2019 10:39:36 PM EST

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nothing that I said in my post invited your comments or supports them. But don't let that interrupt your LBAM rant.

You can join Renata on my ignore list.

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Wife 1.0 was BPD.

Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

What’s interesting is starting to read some of the LBAW threads while keeping the characteristics noted in the OP in mind, and comparing some of the posters to those standards.

nothing that I said in my post invited your comments or supports them. But don't let that interrupt your LBAM rant.

You can join Renata on my ignore list.

It was simply a passing comment on a common situation i’ve noticed and have been tangentially discussing with a casual Arf observer.

Sorry you took it personally.

Posted: 3/4/2019 10:49:22 PM EST

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A little help here:

LBAW? LBAM?

Latino Bar Association of Washington? Light Brown Apple Moth?

Posted: 3/4/2019 10:50:35 PM EST

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Not so much a thread on personality disorders but more like a thread caused by a personality disorder.

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I missed that thread as it happened and just now read it.
Textbook.

Posted: 3/4/2019 10:56:13 PM EST

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LBAW? LBAM?

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Jane, I think it was, first coined the acronym LBAW as an abbreviation for “Let’s Bitch About Women” in reference to the sometimes daily threads that pop up in GD cataloging and discussing all the ills and terrible deeds of women and womankind. I assume Spartacus is simply replacing “women” with “men” and carrying on.

Posted: 3/4/2019 11:19:22 PM EST

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Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

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Well, considering that a lot of men with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) end up in relationships with BPD, yeah, there are two broken buttholes in those stories.

My wife was never formally diagnosed. The therapists and psych professionals were all ‘idiots’ and all ‘crazy’ and she wouldn’t last with them long enough to get diagnosed. All the mutual therapists who had counseled both of us individually or as a couple have told me she shows all the Classic signs of BPD and that I need to run not walk away from the relationship.

Posted: 3/4/2019 11:32:24 PM EST

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Well, considering that a lot of men with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) end up in relationships with BPD, yeah, there are two broken buttholes in those stories.

My wife was never formally diagnosed. The therapists and psych professionals were all ‘idiots’ and all ‘crazy’ and she wouldn’t last with them long enough to get diagnosed. All the mutual therapists who had counseled both of us individually or as a couple have told me she shows all the Classic signs of BPD and that I need to run not walk away from the relationship.

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Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

What’s interesting is starting to read some of the LBAW threads while keeping the characteristics noted in the OP in mind, and comparing some of the posters to those standards.

Well, considering that a lot of men with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) end up in relationships with BPD, yeah, there are two broken buttholes in those stories.

My wife was never formally diagnosed. The therapists and psych professionals were all ‘idiots’ and all ‘crazy’ and she wouldn’t last with them long enough to get diagnosed. All the mutual therapists who had counseled both of us individually or as a couple have told me she shows all the Classic signs of BPD and that I need to run not walk away from the relationship.

Yep. The two seem to find each other and feed off each other. Makes for volatile relationships where neither can see their own contributions, only the faults of the other person. Not a healthy dynamic at all.

Posted: 3/4/2019 11:46:23 PM EST

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Never ending bitching about the most basest of subjects amongst those lacking any capacity to have healthy relationships in real life.

Posted: 3/4/2019 11:46:30 PM EST

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I have known way too many people who would fit in both the histrionic category and the narcissistic one. I don`t think there is any fixing them, they seem to like it.

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Thats the problem with manu of these disorders, and MD, too. The M part is really fun.

It's hard to get people to stay on meds when the symptoms are so enjoyable when untreated.

Posted: 3/4/2019 11:54:40 PM EST

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Hey Doc what’s the disorder where you are miserably depressed when waking up but are perfectly fine like 10-15minutes after and the rest of the day

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employment.

Posted: 3/5/2019 1:36:08 AM EST

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Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

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Wife 1.0 was BPD.

Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

What’s interesting is starting to read some of the LBAW threads while keeping the characteristics noted in the OP in mind, and comparing some of the posters to those standards.

You know why?

Less beta males here than the general population

Alphas don’t put up with that

Posted: 3/5/2019 2:10:28 AM EST

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You know why?

Less beta males here than the general population

Alphas don’t put up with that

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Wife 1.0 was BPD.

Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

What’s interesting is starting to read some of the LBAW threads while keeping the characteristics noted in the OP in mind, and comparing some of the posters to those standards.

You know why?

Less beta males here than the general population

Alphas don’t put up with that

Unless they got married on the first date they were putting up with it for a while at least, right?

Posted: 3/5/2019 3:20:48 AM EST

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I only posted the PD that seemed Germaine to the thread in question

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That thread was fascinating

I only posted the PD that seemed Germaine to the thread in question

Shit. Seemed like a rather exhaustive list.

Posted: 3/5/2019 3:38:15 AM EST

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Unless they got married on the first date they were putting up with it for a while at least, right?

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Wife 1.0 was BPD.

Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

What’s interesting is starting to read some of the LBAW threads while keeping the characteristics noted in the OP in mind, and comparing some of the posters to those standards.

You know why?

Less beta males here than the general population

Alphas don’t put up with that

Unless they got married on the first date they were putting up with it for a while at least, right?

Crazy is very good at hiding itself pre marriage

Posted: 3/5/2019 4:25:49 AM EST

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I had a friend who was a little off when we were young by his 30 ‘s his swings were severe. He was diagnosed as bi polar, he took meds for a while that actually made him more or less normal. Got married had a business, etc. he decided ine day he didn’t want to take his meds anymore “the made him fat”. Lost his business, wife, and half his retirement. I had to break ties with him as his bullshit was spilling into my life. 12 years later (this past year) I initiated contact, I miss the friend I used to know. That man is gone. He has developed a gambling problem and was defrauding his church’s poor fund. He looks like a bum that lives under a bridge....they had to shave his head there were so many knots in his hair he hadn’t washed or brushed it for so long. He threatened suicide (veiled threat so you can’t baker act him). This is all within the two weeks I made contact and subsequently cut him out of my life forever. He is a cancer. It is truly a shame our society decided to close the nut houses where people like hime could get help. Sorry for the long post, I guess it is more of a vent. I really wish we could make more headway with treatment of mental illness.

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Sure, we all do.
As someone who deals with the assholes for a living, the vast majority can't be fixed even if they wanted to be.
They are broken.
The worst part about it is that the ones closest to them haven't dealt with enough of them to say "fuck it" and move on.

Posted: 3/5/2019 4:32:17 AM EST

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In a sense, I almost feel bad for those with BPD. They'll never know what a baseline "normal" is, short of a lobotomy.

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I watched The Hurt Game last night. It's about MMA and some of the fighters.
There was one called Joker. He had some serious issues and was off and on suicidal.
He did see a therapist and medicate.
In one scene he was looking across a valley and said he does that and wonders what normal people "over there" feel like.
I had some empathy for the guy but at the same time I would guess I wouldn't want to associate with him.
He was brutally honest for the interviews, and it painted a very rough picture. That only made me imagine how bad shit really gets around him.

Posted: 3/5/2019 4:51:44 AM EST

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I knew a guy who would give seekers injections of "nawmalsaleen" (said with a very heavy mispronunciation) after extolling it's virtues as a pain medication.

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They (nursing administration) put a stop to us doing that about 15 years ago.
It worked well since the docs knew with 99% certainty who was a squirrel.

Posted: 3/5/2019 5:43:44 AM EST

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Michigan doesn't have beaches like this:

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/136311/IMG_6789_JPG-866667.JPG

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Actually, yes it does. After all, we are surrounded by water on three sides.

Unfortunately, it's very hard and cold for part of the year.

Posted: 3/5/2019 5:46:10 AM EST

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Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

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I think BPD is the popular brush stroke to explain bad behavior. I also think its the go-to for diagnosis'. My ex claimed she was BPD and took lithium, but Im convinced she was borderline. Burned through relatiinships, drama queen, instigative, refused help, etc.... Supposedly bipolar and borderline is hard to differentiate because their attributes overlap.

Posted: 3/5/2019 5:59:21 AM EST

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I have a very quick and effective way to determine if someone has a raging personality disorder...……..I merely ask them...…….

"Are you a democrat?"

Posted: 3/5/2019 6:11:46 AM EST

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FPNI

Posted: 3/5/2019 7:31:39 AM EST

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I have kids. There's already a beach inside my home.

I wear out a shop vac in a month.

Posted: 3/5/2019 7:34:04 AM EST

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Wife 1.0 was BPD.

Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

What’s interesting is starting to read some of the LBAW threads while keeping the characteristics noted in the OP in mind, and comparing some of the posters to those standards.

You know why?

Less beta males here than the general population

Alphas don’t put up with that

Unless they got married on the first date they were putting up with it for a while at least, right?

Crazy is very good at hiding itself pre marriage

Preach it brother.

Posted: 3/5/2019 7:48:03 AM EST

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A little help here:

LBAW? LBAM?

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There's a Latino Bar Association?

I used to go to some Mexican bars in Phoenix. Just be careful and its okay, but I wouldn't join a fucking club.

Posted: 3/5/2019 8:01:14 AM EST

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In light of a recent thread (now locked) I would like to provide the following information to the denizens of GD for their education and edification.

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Thanks...interesting info...been a long time since my undergrad Psych classes (DSM III at the time).

Posted: 3/5/2019 8:01:57 AM EST

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I'm not quite sure what that has to do with this thread, but thank you for your persnicketiness I guess

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A bunch of (mostly) PhDs trying to define 'normal' in THEIR terms.
So many of them are already off the curve they can barekly finction among a larger crowd.

It takes a differnet drive to get a PhD.
I have one.
In Electric al Engineering.
And like every other Engineer we are 'different.'

The far side of the MD declaring the newly born child "An Engineer" and parents being forsaken is not all that far off.

We are strange and we damn well know it.

There are more lawyers, MBAs, and MDs than Engineers.
Especially ifg you look at Professional Engineers.
Those of us with an actual State License.

Note that MDs kill patients one at a time.
An Engineering failure gets a lot of victims all at once.

I'm not quite sure what that has to do with this thread, but thank you for your persnicketiness I guess

Q: How can you tell if someone is an Engineer?

A: Don't worry, they'll tell you.

Posted: 3/5/2019 8:07:48 AM EST

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I get that, and I get that people that have had to deal with BPDs need to vent and commiserate. I know by now that coming into these threads does nothing but irritate me irrationally.

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But, as posted above, you should really feel good about yourself that you have recognized the problem and are taking steps to control it. That is way beyond what many cluster B patients do. They lack the self awareness that you obviously have. I say good on you for your efforts.

Posted: 3/5/2019 8:09:53 AM EST

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And not complete by any stretch. I have found that many people with B type personality disorders share some traits between disorders.

Posted: 3/5/2019 8:13:33 AM EST

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Yeah they do. A lot of Alphas are narcissists. They are too wrapped up in themselves to notice any depth (or lack thereof) in the person they are in a relationship with. They see a hot and horny girl giving them attention and telling them they are amazining in every way and it’s like candy (or more accurately, a drug) and they eat it up. When the BPD kicks the pedestal out from under the ‘Alpha’ (and it may be years down the road) and takes away their supply of ego-fuel, that’s when the crazy really comes out on both sides of that relationship.

Posted: 3/5/2019 8:31:40 AM EST

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Wife 1.0 was BPD.

Lots of tales of wives and girlfriends having BPD here on Arf, at almost what seems like a higher rate than what is diagnosed in the general population at large. Makes me wonder how many of those women were actually diagnosed vs judged to be so by their ex, who is conveniently posting only his version of things on Arf.

What’s interesting is starting to read some of the LBAW threads while keeping the characteristics noted in the OP in mind, and comparing some of the posters to those standards.

You know why?

Less beta males here than the general population

Alphas don’t put up with that

Unless they got married on the first date they were putting up with it for a while at least, right?

Crazy is very good at hiding itself pre marriage

Yep.

Posted: 3/5/2019 8:35:50 AM EST

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The most severe personality disorder: Psychologist.

Posted: 3/5/2019 9:07:50 AM EST

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Chiropractor.

Posted: 3/5/2019 9:26:30 AM EST

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Edit: Unless you are a psychologist and this is an attempt at self-deprecating humor. Otherwise it has been my experience, and I come from a dental professional background, that those who have nothing nice to say about dentists are the ones who need them the most. I’m betting the same may be true in the psych field as well.

Posted: 3/5/2019 9:47:41 AM EST

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The most severe personality disorder: Psychologist.

Chiropractor.

Counselor.

Posted: 3/5/2019 9:53:30 AM EST

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I missed that thread as it happened and just now read it.
Textbook.

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https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Medical-Malpractice/5-2199051/?page=4

Not so much a thread on personality disorders but more like a thread caused by a personality disorder.

I missed that thread as it happened and just now read it.
Textbook.

I just read that thread and learned a new fastener: "cannulated screws".

I'd love to take a course on medical hardware and tools. Lotsa neat stuff we never knew existed. Usable info? Maybe not, but good to know anyway.

Back on topic: I see "borderline" used. Is there a grading system for disorders?

Interesting subject.

Posted: 3/5/2019 9:54:13 AM EST

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The most severe personality disorder: Psychologist.

Chiropractor.

Counselor.

All the superiority of a psych, none of the cool meds. Thanks for playing, literally.

Posted: 3/5/2019 9:57:42 AM EST

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I just read that thread and learned a new fastener: "cannulated screws".

I'd love to take a course on medical hardware and tools. Lotsa neat stuff we never knew existed. Usable info? Maybe not, but good to know anyway.

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Check a few Manufacturer's websites (Stryker, Synthes, Wright Medical, etc.) they may have videos on some of their hardware (and, yes, cannulated screws are very, very nice compared to older AO fixation (underdrill, overdrill, tap, countersink, etc.)...more (or much more) expensive, but very nice).

@Merrell

Some of the stuff I've used.

Posted: 3/5/2019 9:59:33 AM EST

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Dated a BPD last year, learn the signs so you can RUN away as fast as possible.

Posted: 3/5/2019 10:11:50 AM EST

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Interesting.

Posted: 3/5/2019 11:41:18 AM EST

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Yep, let me guess: superficial, her ex is the ‘worst person on the planet, treats people they see as ‘below them’ like crap, have rigid ‘rules’ they expect from you but don’t actually apply them in their own life, nothing is ever their fault, etc...

Am I close?

Posted: 3/5/2019 11:43:31 AM EST

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Yep, let me guess: superficial, her ex is the ‘worst person on the planet, treats people they see as ‘below them’ like crap, have rigid ‘rules’ they expect from you but don’t actually apply them in their own life, nothing is ever their fault, etc...

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Dated a BPD last year, learn the signs so you can RUN away as fast as possible.

Yep, let me guess: superficial, her ex is the ‘worst person on the planet, treats people they see as ‘below them’ like crap, have rigid ‘rules’ they expect from you but don’t actually apply them in their own life, nothing is ever their fault, etc...

Am I close?

Yep. That's her to a T. Plus projection, creating illogical drama for no reason. One example. We went camping and I rented a pontoon boat for the day. After not catching fish for an hour, hour and a half, I'd drive the boat to another spot. Somehow this was unacceptable

many, many more illogical arguments created out of thin air.

After pondering for the last hour or so, I had a boss at work that was BPD. She made everyone's life miserable but mostly mine since I tried shield my employees from her abuse. Thinking about it now that took a toll on me too

Posted: 3/5/2019 11:49:43 AM EST

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I just read that thread and learned a new fastener: "cannulated screws".

I'd love to take a course on medical hardware and tools. Lotsa neat stuff we never knew existed. Usable info? Maybe not, but good to know anyway.

Back on topic: I see "borderline" used. Is there a grading system for disorders?

Interesting subject.

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I just read that thread and learned a new fastener: "cannulated screws".

I'd love to take a course on medical hardware and tools. Lotsa neat stuff we never knew existed. Usable info? Maybe not, but good to know anyway.

Back on topic: I see "borderline" used. Is there a grading system for disorders?

Interesting subject.

Borderline is it's own diagnosis, not a gradation.

History of "Borderline" in Borderline Personality Disorder

The term "borderline" was first introduced in the United States in 1938. It was a term used by early psychiatrists to describe people who were thought to be on the "border" between diagnoses, mostly psychosis and neurosis. At the time, people with neurosis were believed to be treatable, whereas people with psychoses were deemed untreatable.

Then, in the 1970s, a deeper understanding of borderline personality disorder began to emerge. People with BPD were described as being very emotional, needy, difficult, at risk for suicide, and to have an overall unstable level of functioning.

Soon, a pattern of symptoms began to emerge to describe those with borderline personality disorder. These included:

Rapid shifts from periods of confidence to total despair
Unstable self-image
Rapidly fluctuating mood swings
Fear of abandonment
Strong tendency for both self-harm and suicidal thinking

In 1980, BPD became an official personality disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders III or DSM-III.

https://www.verywellmind.com/borderline-personality-disorder-meaning-425191

Posted: 3/5/2019 12:54:46 PM EST

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I've learned at least two things from this thread:

The SI joint. Didn't even realize this was a thing. Normally, I don't learn about stuff until I break it myself. So, this was a nice change of pace.

Second, I've learned that the next time I meet a doctor for the first time, I'm going to shake his hand, pull him in close and tell him, "If you hurt me, I'll hurt you back. At a time, place, and method of my choosing". And then preemptively fondle his balls. Is it a threat? Is it a compliment? Nobody knows. We'll just file it under R, for Rapport. I don't know what the medical billing code is for rapport, but that's for the staffers to figure out.

AR15.com: I came for the guns. I stayed for the people skills. ^TM

Posted: 3/5/2019 12:55:53 PM EST

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I've learned at least two things from this thread:

The SI joint. Didn't even realize this was a thing. Normally, I don't learn about stuff until I break it myself. So, this was a nice change of pace.

Second, I've learned that the next time I meet a doctor for the first time, I'm going to shake his hand, pull him in close and tell him, "If you hurt me, I'll hurt you back. At a time, place, and method of my choosing". And then preemptively fondle his balls. Is it a threat? Is it a compliment? Nobody knows. We'll just file it under R, for Rapport. I don't know what the medical billing code is for rapport, but that's for the staffers to figure out.

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Well done.

Posted: 3/5/2019 1:00:36 PM EST

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I'm curious how many people in this thread see BPD and think bi-polar disorder instead of Borderline Personality Disorder.

Posted: 3/5/2019 1:14:54 PM EST

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Someone post some real-life examples of Cluster B behavior. I'm reading a lot of "I have so many stories..." but no one ever posts any.

Honestly I'm really curious to hear some. I feel like I'm missing out on something.

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My ex wife told me she was glad I was such a great father to my children while involved in a custody case to take them away from me.

Posted: 3/5/2019 1:16:58 PM EST

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Occasionally. And I've worked in mental health for 18 years.

Posted: 3/5/2019 1:39:54 PM EST

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Borderline is it's own diagnosis, not a gradation.

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Thank you for the clarification. Rereading the original post I should have absorbed that. It's sort of a confusing word to use. For some reason it registered as the border between having a personality disorder and not having one. I suspect I might not be alone with that interpretation among the non-psychologically trained masses. If a doc had told me "you have BPD" I might have thought "well that's not so bad, it's just on the edge of having / not having something". Just a point of reference.

I think Arfcom should have icons/badges for all the disorders. Fill up that empty space below avatars.

Posted: 3/5/2019 1:40:12 PM EST

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I'm curious how many people in this thread see BPD and think bi-polar disorder instead of Borderline Personality Disorder.

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Quite a few in all likelihood, many people still haven't heard of borderline.

Posted: 3/5/2019 1:44:27 PM EST

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I'm curious how many people in this thread see BPD and think bi-polar disorder instead of Borderline Personality Disorder.

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Just gets me singing an old Madonna song.

Posted: 3/5/2019 1:48:34 PM EST

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I'm curious how many people in this thread see BPD and think bi-polar disorder instead of Borderline Personality Disorder.

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I don’t have any direct experience with either that I am aware of, but I have read enough of these threads to know that BPD = borderline.

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