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The one I fondled at Knob Creek last spring seemed to be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Has anyone seen one of the semi-auto ones or handled one? Does anyone know if the front handle is welded in place? I would imagine yes since it would otherwise be an AOW. Front folding grip is not metal.......maybe pinned in the folded position though. Cool. Hopefully it's an easy undo if we want to SBR it. Just curious: Do you know if it's Bakelite? The one I fondled at Knob Creek last spring seemed to be. Cool. I want to get this for the historical value. I think they look cool and it was featured in an issue of SAR that I have. |
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I have a fascination with Polish Military TO&E. I've been trying to get a parts kit for one of these for a few years now, but there just isn't a lot of them in the country. I am actually very excited IO is imported demilled and rebuilt ones, as well as Beryl is starting stateside productions of this, the ARCHER, and the Massada clone thing.
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I'm guessing that comes from using "creative" cocking methods......being that it's a open bolt SMG. If you press cock it using the spoon brake, and didn't get the bolt/slide back far enough to engage the sear.......bang. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Played with a few. Neat mechanically. But been told by Poles that spent allot of time behind the trigger that it was a a dangerous POS. I'm guessing that comes from using "creative" cocking methods......being that it's a open bolt SMG. If you press cock it using the spoon brake, and didn't get the bolt/slide back far enough to engage the sear.......bang. Also the fact that the folding stock provides barely adequate clearance for the slide as the gun cycles. Slip up and you get a big fucking hunk of steel right in the cheekbone. FWIW, Sturmgewehr on his MAC youtube channel went to a machine gun range in Vegas. In that vid, the Forgotten Weapons dude puts a few mags through one. |
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Also a gun the South Africans took some inspiration from. http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/de/KOMMANDO-LDP_RHUZI.jpg View Quote Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. |
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Quoted: Quoted: The PM-63 is coming to the US in 2015 in the form of a semi pistol, imported by IO, made by Pioneer arms of Poland out of de milled parts. Want. I'm leery of anything IO brings over. After the Beryl fiasco, and well, every other IO fiasco, they're more or less on Century Arms level when it comes to trust-ability. |
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Looks like it would be east to blow the fingers off your support hand. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thats a weird lookin gun. Bet its fun in full auto!!! Looks like it would be east to blow the fingers off your support hand. That was my first reaction when I shot an UZI. Not much barrel out there. I've heard shot support hands are somewhat common too. |
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Also the fact that the folding stock provides barely adequate clearance for the slide as the gun cycles. Slip up and you get a big fucking hunk of steel right in the cheekbone. FWIW, Sturmgewehr on his MAC youtube channel went to a machine gun range in Vegas. In that vid, the Forgotten Weapons dude puts a few mags through one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Played with a few. Neat mechanically. But been told by Poles that spent allot of time behind the trigger that it was a a dangerous POS. I'm guessing that comes from using "creative" cocking methods......being that it's a open bolt SMG. If you press cock it using the spoon brake, and didn't get the bolt/slide back far enough to engage the sear.......bang. Also the fact that the folding stock provides barely adequate clearance for the slide as the gun cycles. Slip up and you get a big fucking hunk of steel right in the cheekbone. FWIW, Sturmgewehr on his MAC youtube channel went to a machine gun range in Vegas. In that vid, the Forgotten Weapons dude puts a few mags through one. Possiably .......it would be a one time "mistake". Kind of like firing a stocked Mauser Schnellfeuer and putting your thumb in the wrong postion. |
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Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also a gun the South Africans took some inspiration from. http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/de/KOMMANDO-LDP_RHUZI.jpg Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. wat |
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That was my first reaction when I shot an UZI. Not much barrel out there. I've heard shot support hands are somewhat common too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thats a weird lookin gun. Bet its fun in full auto!!! Looks like it would be east to blow the fingers off your support hand. That was my first reaction when I shot an UZI. Not much barrel out there. I've heard shot support hands are somewhat common too. I've read it was common in the 80's with MACs. |
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Also a gun the South Africans took some inspiration from. http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/de/KOMMANDO-LDP_RHUZI.jpg Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. wat Nope.....they where rifled. |
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Guys, as the owner of an open bolt subgun, I will tel you that they are in fact dangerous if you do not normally handle open bolt weapons and are familiar with their manual of arms. Some things you do with closed bolt guns are dangerous with one of these weapons- though most of it can be mitigated by pulling the mag first.
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Thank you. I wasn't sure if it came in 9mm Luger as well. I prefer 9mm MAK since I'm sitting on a good pile bought when prices were lower. Open-bolt SMG's are a challenge to convert to semi-auto closed-bolt. It was done very well with the Uzi, so hopefully this turns out well also. I'm very excited about this. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote I've got a kit in hand I've been messing with, should be fairly easy to do a striker fired setup. Also enough room in the back to do a shrouded hammer setup if someone wants to go that route. I'm going to attempt to fit a glock striker setup in mine once I get a re-weld jig done for the lower. |
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Guys, as the owner of an open bolt subgun, I will tel you that they are in fact dangerous if you do not normally handle open bolt weapons and are familiar with their manual of arms. Some things you do with closed bolt guns are dangerous with one of these weapons- though most of it can be mitigated by pulling the mag first. View Quote Yep......found that out with my first time firing an M-10. |
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I've got a kit in hand I've been messing with, should be fairly easy to do a striker fired setup. Also enough room in the back to do a shrouded hammer setup if someone wants to go that route. I'm going to attempt to fit a glock striker setup in mine once I get a re-weld jig done for the lower. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thank you. I wasn't sure if it came in 9mm Luger as well. I prefer 9mm MAK since I'm sitting on a good pile bought when prices were lower. Open-bolt SMG's are a challenge to convert to semi-auto closed-bolt. It was done very well with the Uzi, so hopefully this turns out well also. I'm very excited about this. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I've got a kit in hand I've been messing with, should be fairly easy to do a striker fired setup. Also enough room in the back to do a shrouded hammer setup if someone wants to go that route. I'm going to attempt to fit a glock striker setup in mine once I get a re-weld jig done for the lower. Cool, please start a thread when you get going. Are surplus mags available? |
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I've got a kit in hand I've been messing with, should be fairly easy to do a striker fired setup. Also enough room in the back to do a shrouded hammer setup if someone wants to go that route. I'm going to attempt to fit a glock striker setup in mine once I get a re-weld jig done for the lower. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thank you. I wasn't sure if it came in 9mm Luger as well. I prefer 9mm MAK since I'm sitting on a good pile bought when prices were lower. Open-bolt SMG's are a challenge to convert to semi-auto closed-bolt. It was done very well with the Uzi, so hopefully this turns out well also. I'm very excited about this. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I've got a kit in hand I've been messing with, should be fairly easy to do a striker fired setup. Also enough room in the back to do a shrouded hammer setup if someone wants to go that route. I'm going to attempt to fit a glock striker setup in mine once I get a re-weld jig done for the lower. If you do a little write-up, definitely post a link in this thread. I would love to see it. Or if you have any pictures you'd like to share, please do. |
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That would be a Finnish Jati Matic SMG ......Stallone carried one in Cobra...... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
That would be a Finnish Jati Matic SMG ......Stallone carried one in Cobra...... I really want one. I have never seen one for sale. |
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I have a fascination with Polish Military TO&E. I've been trying to get a parts kit for one of these for a few years now, but there just isn't a lot of them in the country. I am actually very excited IO is imported demilled and rebuilt ones, as well as Beryl is starting stateside productions of this, the ARCHER, and the Massada clone thing. View Quote Just found this: http://militarygunsupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1277 |
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Also a gun the South Africans took some inspiration from. http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/de/KOMMANDO-LDP_RHUZI.jpg Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. wat Nope.....they where rifled. Every Kommando LDP kit I've seen that made it here was a smoothbore. They were extremely cheap to manufacture. |
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Every Kommando LDP kit I've seen that made it here was a smoothbore. They were extremely cheap to manufacture. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also a gun the South Africans took some inspiration from. http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/de/KOMMANDO-LDP_RHUZI.jpg Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. wat Nope.....they where rifled. Every Kommando LDP kit I've seen that made it here was a smoothbore. They were extremely cheap to manufacture. My buddy's was rifled.......and he used them in Rhodesia quite a bit. Only thing he said about them was the bolts where "soft" and it would wear out and go auto. But I'll asking about the smooth bore thing. |
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Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also a gun the South Africans took some inspiration from. http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/de/KOMMANDO-LDP_RHUZI.jpg Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. |
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Also a gun the South Africans took some inspiration from. http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/de/KOMMANDO-LDP_RHUZI.jpg Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. They were made as fast & cheap as possible. (was a product of a dire time intended for short range defense) Every one I've seen was smoothbore. It's entirely possible they also made them with rifled barrels, but they made a ton with no rifling at all. http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21505&PN=1 |
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Tim from Military Arms Channel had one of these in his video from a few weeks ago IIRC, when he was out in Vegas at SHOT. There's a machine gun rental place he stopped at.
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They were made as fast & cheap as possible. (was a product of a dire time intended for short range defense) Every one I've seen was smoothbore. It's entirely possible they also made them with rifled barrels, but they made a ton with no rifling at all. http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21505&PN=1 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also a gun the South Africans took some inspiration from. http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/de/KOMMANDO-LDP_RHUZI.jpg Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. They were made as fast & cheap as possible. (was a product of a dire time intended for short range defense) Every one I've seen was smoothbore. It's entirely possible they also made them with rifled barrels, but they made a ton with no rifling at all. http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21505&PN=1 I've only seen one, but it had a rifled barrel. |
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I've only seen one, but it had a rifled barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also a gun the South Africans took some inspiration from. http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/de/KOMMANDO-LDP_RHUZI.jpg Uh, no. Those are smoothbore, and operate totally differently. They don't even look alike outside of them both being subguns with magwell grips. They were made as fast & cheap as possible. (was a product of a dire time intended for short range defense) Every one I've seen was smoothbore. It's entirely possible they also made them with rifled barrels, but they made a ton with no rifling at all. http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21505&PN=1 I've only seen one, but it had a rifled barrel. You sure it didn't have they Czech type polygonal rifling like a CZ-82? When very clean they look to be smoothbore, it's not till you fire the gun that you see the depressions show. |
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You sure it didn't have they Czech type polygonal rifling like a CZ-82? When very clean they look to be smoothbore, it's not till you fire the gun that you see the depressions show. View Quote Yeah, they were just tubing. I'm actually surprised more people haven't chimed in about them. There were a lot of kits for awhile in the late 80s (early 90s?) and a lot of guys passed on them because of the barrels. That and they weren't the best made guns in the first place, lack of rifled barrels notwithstanding. Like really shitty Stens that have a more modern profile. Also not easy (if at all reasonably possible) to make them closed-bolt semis. |
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Showed up yesterday........looks like they were brand new before they were torched..... Already folks working on .380 barrels and closed bolt semi conversions for these.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/villafuego/P1010173.jpg View Quote At dealers? What are they going for? |
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Tim from Military Arms Channel had one of these in his video from a few weeks ago IIRC, when he was out in Vegas at SHOT. There's a machine gun rental place he stopped at. EDIT: I'm on potato phone so I can't embed but here's the mobile link http://youtu.be/aVuoBwZxcJ4 View Quote That was our place, Battlefield Vegas, and we do have one. It's a cool gun and and IMHO, not the least bit dangerous. V/R Ron M Cheney |
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Tim from Military Arms Channel had one of these in his video from a few weeks ago IIRC, when he was out in Vegas at SHOT. There's a machine gun rental place he stopped at. EDIT: I'm on potato phone so I can't embed but here's the mobile link http://youtu.be/aVuoBwZxcJ4 That was our place, Battlefield Vegas, and we do have one. It's a cool gun and and IMHO, not the least bit dangerous. V/R Ron M Cheney |
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Showed up yesterday........looks like they were brand new before they were torched..... Already folks working on .380 barrels and closed bolt semi conversions for these.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/villafuego/P1010173.jpg View Quote Looks nice. Where did you get it and how much of it is torched? It looks like more than the receiver is torched in some of the kit pics I'm seeing. |
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Showed up yesterday........looks like they were brand new before they were torched..... Already folks working on .380 barrels and closed bolt semi conversions for these.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/villafuego/P1010173.jpg Looks nice. Where did you get it and how much of it is torched? It looks like more than the receiver is torched in some of the kit pics I'm seeing. From MGS.......the receiver is cut in 4 places.....the bbl is torched as well..... I left one of the receiver "chunks" out of the pic....still de-slagging it..... Some kits showed up with cut slides a while back.....pretty much good for nothing but spares.... |
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From MGS.......the receiver is cut in 4 places.....the bbl is torched as well..... I left one of the receiver "chunks" out of the pic....still de-slagging it..... Some kits showed up with cut slides a while back.....pretty much good for nothing but spares.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Showed up yesterday........looks like they were brand new before they were torched..... Already folks working on .380 barrels and closed bolt semi conversions for these.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/villafuego/P1010173.jpg Looks nice. Where did you get it and how much of it is torched? It looks like more than the receiver is torched in some of the kit pics I'm seeing. From MGS.......the receiver is cut in 4 places.....the bbl is torched as well..... I left one of the receiver "chunks" out of the pic....still de-slagging it..... Some kits showed up with cut slides a while back.....pretty much good for nothing but spares.... Hmm. The pic on MGS shows a torched slide as well. Should I gamble? These would be super cool semi sbrs. I'd rather keep it in 9 mak than .380 though. ETA: Never mind. I'm a retard. That's the barrel. |
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-FviDFLttVU
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