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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:39:42 PM EST
[#1]
Classified information should be secured in SCIFs.
Presidents get to do special things as the OG OCA. It’s all just political theatre with those 2 anyway. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:42:27 PM EST
[#2]
They need a way to get rid of brandon.
(other than all of the obvious ones they've ignored until now...) OH LOOK, TS SCI! |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:43:42 PM EST
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Don't see how it could be lumped into or viewed as a forever viewed bad thing category since something secret may have been based on a point of time and only valid or needed for a time period. I watched a segment on 60 minutes many years ago where the guy over a secret document storage place explained there were different levels of secret and being President didn't seem to even get you access to some levels of secret. I hope he survived after the interview.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:44:55 PM EST
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The difference is that the former Vice President couldn't have declassified those documents in his possession.
The VP is not a declassifier. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:46:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't see how it could be lumped into or viewed as a forever viewed bad thing category since something secret may have been based on a point of time and only valid or needed for a time period. I watched a segment on 60 minutes many years ago where the guy over a storage place explained there were different levels of secret and being President didn't seem to even get you access to some levels of secret. I hope he survived after the interview. It's not levels exactly. If you have a Top Secret clearance, you can't just go around and ask to see everyone's Top Secret documents... the information is compartmentalized such that each person only sees the part they need to see. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:47:54 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Classified information should be secured in SCIFs. Presidents get to do special things as the OG OCA. It’s all just political theatre with those 2 anyway. Not all classified info must be stored in a SCIF. Confidential and secret may be stored in an appropriate storage container (safe) outside of a SCIF. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:48:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not levels exactly. If you have a Top Secret clearance, you can't just go around and ask to see everyone's Top Secret documents... the information is compartmentalized such that each person only sees the part they need to see. I would guess it is like a clearance thing I had once years ago where added things on the badge got you in more places or rooms. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:54:15 PM EST
[#8]
"It's different when WE do it".
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:55:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The difference is that the former Vice President couldn't have declassified those documents in his possession. The VP is not a declassifier. 
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Posted: 1/10/2023 1:34:22 PM EST
[#10]
The fact that classified material, specifically SECRET and above is so controlled is what makes the things Klinton (and maybe Trump and now Biden) did with classified material so unfathomable to anyone who knows how “the system” is supposed to work.
Yes, classified is stored in a “library”; as others have said, called a SCIF. Every SCIF I have been in had: 1. You had to be cleared/authorized to enter. 2. Custodian monitoring who went in/out. 3. Couldn’t take any other material (writing, recording, cell phone, etc.) with you; those were stored in a container outside. 4. No such materials (writing, recording, etc.) in the SCIF, either. 5. One had to be under Courier Orders (i.e. specific authorization to take classified out of the SCIF). 6. Designated “containers”/carriers for transporting classified. 7. Material removed had to be specifically logged in/out by type, format, etc. So when one hears about Klinton sending or having someone send classified to the fax machine (or printer, whatever) in her home, or her not understanding that the little letters in parens on every line in a document is that line’s classification or them removing the classification banners from classified material and sending it around…it’s unfathomable.@Moof1 |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 1:40:20 PM EST
[#11]
Yeah, Ukraine!
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Posted: 1/10/2023 1:40:24 PM EST
[#12]
Is Sandy Berger still in prison?
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Posted: 1/10/2023 1:41:47 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that classified material, specifically SECRET and above is so controlled is what makes the things Klinton (and maybe Trump and now Biden) did with classified material so unfathomable to anyone who knows how “the system” is supposed to work. Yes, classified is stored in a “library”; as others have said, called a SCIF. Every SCIF I have been in had: 1. You had to be cleared/authorized to enter. 2. Custodian monitoring who went in/out. 3. Couldn’t take any other material (writing, recording, cell phone, etc.) with you; those were stored in a container outside. 4. No such materials (writing, recording, etc.) in the SCIF, either. 5. One had to be under Courier Orders (i.e. specific authorization to take classified out of the SCIF). 6. Designated “containers”/carriers for transporting classified. 7. Material removed had to be specifically logged in/out by type, format, etc. So when one hears about Klinton sending or having someone send classified to the fax machine (or printer, whatever) in her home, or her not understanding that the little letters in parens on every line in a document is that line’s classification or them removing the classification banners from classified material and sending it around…it’s unfathomable.@Moof1 Those must have been little itty bitty SCIFs to not have any pens or paper inside. Entire buildings are SCIFs with open storage of classified material, they have pens, paper, printers, etc. Kharn |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 1:48:57 PM EST
[#14]
Trump could have had his own security detail in a fort Knox safe 24/7 and it would have been an insurrection
Obama can have whatever the fuck he wants in a wet folder taped to his bicycle chain locked to an ice cream shop door |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 1:55:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those must have been little itty bitty SCIFs to not have any pens or paper inside. Entire buildings are SCIFs with open storage of classified material, they have pens, paper, printers, etc. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The fact that classified material, specifically SECRET and above is so controlled is what makes the things Klinton (and maybe Trump and now Biden) did with classified material so unfathomable to anyone who knows how "the system" is supposed to work. Yes, classified is stored in a "library"; as others have said, called a SCIF. Every SCIF I have been in had: 1. You had to be cleared/authorized to enter. 2. Custodian monitoring who went in/out. 3. Couldn't take any other material (writing, recording, cell phone, etc.) with you; those were stored in a container outside. 4. No such materials (writing, recording, etc.) in the SCIF, either. 5. One had to be under Courier Orders (i.e. specific authorization to take classified out of the SCIF). 6. Designated "containers"/carriers for transporting classified. 7. Material removed had to be specifically logged in/out by type, format, etc. So when one hears about Klinton sending or having someone send classified to the fax machine (or printer, whatever) in her home, or her not understanding that the little letters in parens on every line in a document is that line's classification or them removing the classification banners from classified material and sending it around it's unfathomable.@Moof1 Those must have been little itty bitty SCIFs to not have any pens or paper inside. Entire buildings are SCIFs with open storage of classified material, they have pens, paper, printers, etc. Kharn 
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Posted: 1/10/2023 1:58:20 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Classified information should be secured in SCIFs. Presidents get to do special things as the OG OCA. It’s all just political theatre with those 2 anyway. Not really. Trumps documents were declassified by himself, which he had the power to do. Biden did not have the power to declassify the documents he potentially mishandled. We’re they declassified either through process or did Obama declassify them? If they were not declassified he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 1:59:00 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that classified material, specifically SECRET and above is so controlled is what makes the things Klinton (and maybe Trump and now Biden) did with classified material so unfathomable to anyone who knows how “the system” is supposed to work. Yes, classified is stored in a “library”; as others have said, called a SCIF. Every SCIF I have been in had: 1. You had to be cleared/authorized to enter. 2. Custodian monitoring who went in/out. 3. Couldn’t take any other material (writing, recording, cell phone, etc.) with you; those were stored in a container outside. 4. No such materials (writing, recording, etc.) in the SCIF, either. 5. One had to be under Courier Orders (i.e. specific authorization to take classified out of the SCIF). 6. Designated “containers”/carriers for transporting classified. 7. Material removed had to be specifically logged in/out by type, format, etc. So when one hears about Klinton sending or having someone send classified to the fax machine (or printer, whatever) in her home, or her not understanding that the little letters in parens on every line in a document is that line’s classification or them removing the classification banners from classified material and sending it around…it’s unfathomable.@Moof1 All classified material is not stored in a SCIF. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:03:45 PM EST
[#18]
In fact, classified material can be sent via USPS.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:05:46 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In fact, classified material can be sent via USPS. 
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:06:17 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that classified material, specifically SECRET and above is so controlled is what makes the things Klinton (and maybe Trump and now Biden) did with classified material so unfathomable to anyone who knows how “the system” is supposed to work. Yes, classified is stored in a “library”; as others have said, called a SCIF. Every SCIF I have been in had: 1. You had to be cleared/authorized to enter. 2. Custodian monitoring who went in/out. 3. Couldn’t take any other material (writing, recording, cell phone, etc.) with you; those were stored in a container outside. 4. No such materials (writing, recording, etc.) in the SCIF, either. 5. One had to be under Courier Orders (i.e. specific authorization to take classified out of the SCIF). 6. Designated “containers”/carriers for transporting classified. 7. Material removed had to be specifically logged in/out by type, format, etc. So when one hears about Klinton sending or having someone send classified to the fax machine (or printer, whatever) in her home, or her not understanding that the little letters in parens on every line in a document is that line’s classification or them removing the classification banners from classified material and sending it around…it’s unfathomable.@Moof1 Data spills are not uncommon, but the volume suspected from the Clintons are another level. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:06:52 PM EST
[#21]
Just stick them down your pants.
/sandy berger out |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:07:36 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not all classified info must be stored in a SCIF. Confidential and secret may be stored in an appropriate storage container (safe) outside of a SCIF. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Classified information should be secured in SCIFs. Presidents get to do special things as the OG OCA. It's all just political theatre with those 2 anyway. Not all classified info must be stored in a SCIF. Confidential and secret may be stored in an appropriate storage container (safe) outside of a SCIF. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:08:53 PM EST
[#23]
I sometimes wonder if this is political theater to sway the public into cheering classified info being withheld from the chief executive.
(supreme deep council's eyes only) |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:10:40 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The fact that classified material, specifically SECRET and above is so controlled is what makes the things Klinton (and maybe Trump and now Biden) did with classified material so unfathomable to anyone who knows how “the system” is supposed to work. Yes, classified is stored in a “library”; as others have said, called a SCIF. Every SCIF I have been in had: 1. You had to be cleared/authorized to enter. 2. Custodian monitoring who went in/out. 3. Couldn’t take any other material (writing, recording, cell phone, etc.) with you; those were stored in a container outside. 4. No such materials (writing, recording, etc.) in the SCIF, either. 5. One had to be under Courier Orders (i.e. specific authorization to take classified out of the SCIF). 6. Designated “containers”/carriers for transporting classified. 7. Material removed had to be specifically logged in/out by type, format, etc. So when one hears about Klinton sending or having someone send classified to the fax machine (or printer, whatever) in her home, or her not understanding that the little letters in parens on every line in a document is that line’s classification or them removing the classification banners from classified material and sending it around…it’s unfathomable.@Moof1 |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:16:48 PM EST
[#25]
Don't forget to use the proper stapler...
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:18:30 PM EST
[#26]
and that brings up the issue of "over-classification." things getting stamped secret or classified just because someone wants to limit access to the info, not because it's actually sensitive
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:22:44 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryBro, where's your SECRET//NOFORN stapler!!!!!?!?!?!?!?! 
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:23:43 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: and that brings up the issue of "over-classification." things getting stamped secret or classified just because someone wants to limit access to the info, not because it's actually sensitive
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:25:40 PM EST
[#29]
Serious question. Is this information stored in paper form only? Meaning removing it from the scif or wherever and its lost to history never to be seen again? Or is it all digitized / imaged?
Normally Id say of course it’s digitzed ! But this is .gov were talking about, |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:28:54 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question. Is this information stored in paper form only? Meaning removing it from the scif or wherever and its lost to history never to be seen again? Or is it all digitized / imaged? Normally Id say of course it's digitzed ! But this is .gov were talking about, In theory it's meant to be cumbersome as that puts multiple people and steps in the process. I fucking hate couriering shit too. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:31:00 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Sandy Berger still in prison? He’s dead Jim… |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:32:35 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro, where's your SECRET//NOFORN stapler!!!!!?!?!?!?!?! I keep it in the drawer next to my SECRET//CNWDI swingline.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:36:41 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I keep it in the drawer next to my SECRET//CNWDI swingline. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bro, where's your SECRET//NOFORN stapler!!!!!?!?!?!?!?! I keep it in the drawer next to my SECRET//CNWDI swingline. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:38:46 PM EST
[#34]
I just knew this thread would be full of acronyms and jargon
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Posted: 1/10/2023 3:16:24 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just knew this thread would be full of acronyms and jargon We could explain, but then we'd have to kill you.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 7:23:17 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Classified information should be secured in SCIFs. Presidents get to do special things as the OG OCA. It’s all just political theatre with those 2 anyway. Biden wasn't president when he took those docs. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 7:34:39 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully you've got a shelf for all your //REL TO xxx staplers too! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bro, where's your SECRET//NOFORN stapler!!!!!?!?!?!?!?! I keep it in the drawer next to my SECRET//CNWDI swingline. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 7:54:30 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about on a private email server in your bathroom? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Classified information should be secured in SCIFs. Presidents get to do special things as the OG OCA. It's all just political theatre with those 2 anyway. Not all classified info must be stored in a SCIF. Confidential and secret may be stored in an appropriate storage container (safe) outside of a SCIF. A bathroom is neither a SCIF or an appropriate container. But if you’re a Clinton you can do it. It says so in the Constitution. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 8:22:59 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A bathroom is neither a SCIF or an appropriate container. But if you’re a Clinton you can do it. It says so in the Constitution. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Classified information should be secured in SCIFs. Presidents get to do special things as the OG OCA. It's all just political theatre with those 2 anyway. Not all classified info must be stored in a SCIF. Confidential and secret may be stored in an appropriate storage container (safe) outside of a SCIF. A bathroom is neither a SCIF or an appropriate container. But if you’re a Clinton you can do it. It says so in the Constitution. SCIFs have bathrooms. Kharn |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 8:31:24 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SCIFs have bathrooms. Kharn Pooping in a SCIF 
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:05:58 PM EST
[#41]
ehhh bullshit charges for either of em unless they personally removed the files. some underling screwed up or violated. no way either of them ever actually locked at files
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:09:28 PM EST
[#42]
What matters is that if it were you or me in this situation we'd be in Federal pound me in the ass prison right now. But since it's a DC swamp creature it's cool.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:29:45 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SCIFs have bathrooms. Kharn Pooping in a SCIF https://external-preview.redd.it/ba6UCcjJSx08b5WVsSluGDPgHvd5FHPeOdIxrQuMUEs.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=5ba088b56d9310e3153446e68305d3ad49fce2d7 A printer, a cover sheet, a clipboard, and a pen are all it takes. Print a bunch of emails, make notes on what you want to send back, transcribe, shred the poo-fleck covered emails and cover sheet, use hand sanitizer.  Kharn |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:38:24 PM EST
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Recommended reading:
EO 13526 DoD Manual 5200.01 Volumes 1 and 3. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 10:54:34 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that classified material, specifically SECRET and above is so controlled is what makes the things Klinton (and maybe Trump and now Biden) did with classified material so unfathomable to anyone who knows how “the system” is supposed to work. Yes, classified is stored in a “library”; as others have said, called a SCIF. Every SCIF I have been in had: 1. You had to be cleared/authorized to enter. 2. Custodian monitoring who went in/out. 3. Couldn’t take any other material (writing, recording, cell phone, etc.) with you; those were stored in a container outside. 4. No such materials (writing, recording, etc.) in the SCIF, either. 5. One had to be under Courier Orders (i.e. specific authorization to take classified out of the SCIF). 6. Designated “containers”/carriers for transporting classified. 7. Material removed had to be specifically logged in/out by type, format, etc. So when one hears about Klinton sending or having someone send classified to the fax machine (or printer, whatever) in her home, or her not understanding that the little letters in parens on every line in a document is that line’s classification or them removing the classification banners from classified material and sending it around…it’s unfathomable.@Moof1 This is correct |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 3:10:09 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What matters is that if it were you or me in this situation we'd be in Federal pound me in the ass prison right now. But since it's a DC swamp creature it's cool. This is true. 
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Posted: 1/11/2023 3:31:06 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What, no HVSACO?  99.9% missed that altogether.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 3:34:40 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: and that brings up the issue of "over-classification." things getting stamped secret or classified just because someone wants to limit access to the info, not because it's actually sensitive There are entire caveats created with the intention of limiting access to info. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 3:54:46 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those must have been little itty bitty SCIFs to not have any pens or paper inside. Entire buildings are SCIFs with open storage of classified material, they have pens, paper, printers, etc. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Those must have been little itty bitty SCIFs to not have any pens or paper inside. Entire buildings are SCIFs with open storage of classified material, they have pens, paper, printers, etc. Kharn Yep, our whole campus houses two SCIFs, both office buildings are SCIFs and even though both facilities are open storage SCIFs, document markings and covers are strictly enforced. There are classification guides, and yes, my badge will get me access to any TS/SCI federal facility in the IC, but even with access, you need to be on the visiting roster or in their local system, and read-on if you do visit a particular program. All the material above CUI will have a declassification date and authority. IMHO, too much shit is classified that isn't necessary, and the shit that's truly necessary becomes a political/bureaucrat magnet. Secret is important, but can be stored in properly rated GSA safes; it's pretty common in just about any military or IC type organization that doesn't use a lot of TS/SCI material. Most organizations just have a smaller SCIF for the TS/SCI stuff or access to the platforms and video conferences. The compartmentalized nature is pretty strict and even inside a SCIF you could have various Specials Access Programs (SAP) or various projects that you are unauthorized to access without that "need to know" and being "read on" to whatever it is (and read-off if departing or leaving that program). For the less hieratical, mishandling the material can be a career ender pretty quick, potentially criminal. Clinton and Biden are both in violation with their handling of classified material. Trump (or any POTUS) is the ultimate declassification authority, whether you like it or not; and even with him saying "I declassify this shit", his staff still needs to follow up on the administrative declassification process. Quoted: A bathroom is neither a SCIF or an appropriate container. But if you’re a Clinton you can do it. It says so in the Constitution. I shit with classified material all time, but flushing classified shit paper isn't authorized Ironically, the NsA has their little wireless no-no teams catch about 15-20 people a day with an unauthorized wireless device; phones, iWatch, fitbit, etc. (there's a big fucking list). First time it's a slap, it gets worse after that. I just leave my phone in the truck to avoid all the bullshit. I've seen a few GS interns fuck up royally with phones going off during a high-side brief  ROCK6 |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:07:39 AM EST
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I was my unit's CMS custodian (alternate), and courier.
There certainly was no "checking out SECRET materials" for home use. The only particularly memorable moments doing that was when I burnt all the keying material on a cold hilltop in Korea when that EP3 was forced down in China, and traveling across Asia in '02 (by plane, when everyone else had to take a boat)to deliver materials to places in the Philippines and Thailand, via Malaysia. 5 star hotels, satcom (when such was still pretty James Bond). Fun times. |
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