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Posted: 6/29/2022 7:40:36 PM EST

Ive got a 11.5" SBR I have for my all purpose shtf, cqb rifle. Looking at an optic for it and am tossing the idea around of a red dot like an eotech vs a decent LPVO. Which would be better all around for something of this purpose. Im leaning towards a red dot and possibly a magnifier since I would assume most contact would be under a couple hundred yards

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:42:59 PM EST

[#1]

My SBR’s all have Aimpoints. Everything else has LPVO or irons. That’s just me though.

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:44:50 PM EST

[#2]

Lpvo with an offset dot?

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:46:43 PM EST

[#3]

I have red dots on everything under 16".

36/300 zero

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:48:53 PM EST

[#4]

Could try primary arms new micro prism,
1x for cqb or 3x for help with positive ID.
I have a steiner on 1 and eotech on the other.
Eotechs are fast but obviously battery life sucks.

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:50:11 PM EST

[#5]

What do you plan on doing with it?

Rural or urban?

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:51:39 PM EST

[#6]

I struggled with this in a go to rifle. I looked at all the high end options. In the end I chose an ACOG TA-33 with an RMR on top.

The more I thought of the LPVO the more I decided that for a realistic SHTF rifle in the Appalachias 3 power would get the job done and at a pound lighter.

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:51:48 PM EST

[#7]

My 11.5 started with a LPVO

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Then swapped to a eotech with magnifier

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Dropped the magnifier. Now sold the eotech. Looking for an ACOG

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:53:11 PM EST

[#8]

My 11.5 with LPVO has become my go to rifle for just about everything lately.

The only other AR that I've shot much is my Mk12ish gun for shooting beyond 600 yards.

ETA: Giselle upper with Razor.

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:53:29 PM EST

[#9]

Barrel length= red dot

I have a lpvo on my 8.5 so don’t listen to me

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:56:05 PM EST

[#10]

I have both, and my LPVO is very high quality. That being said, I’d get a red dot, it’s just faster. You don’t have to worry about head position as much, eye relief isn’t a concern and battery life is practically infinite. The LPVO sounds good in theory as a do it all optic, and it is great if you only use 1x in a pinch, but a magnifier would serve mostly the same purpose plus you can just remove it if you don’t want the extra weight.

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:57:22 PM EST

[#11]

Got some training with a local instructor and had a chance to shoot FBI carbine Qual with my rifles with aimpoint pro and vortex viper PST 1-4. Had both my HD and 3 gun rigs out that day. Not a huge difference in hits or time.

Pick the one you like best and put a few thousand rounds through the setup. Both setups are capable of fast accurate hits to a couple hundred yards.

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:59:18 PM EST

[#12]

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My SBR’s all have Aimpoints. Everything else has LPVO or irons. That’s just me though.

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Same here.

Posted: 6/29/2022 7:59:42 PM EST

[#13]

I went with a red dot and a QD 3x on my 10.5" .300blk SHTF pistol.

Probably depends on where you live.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:00:27 PM EST

[#14]

What about red dot with 5x EOTech magnifier?

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:01:53 PM EST

[#15]

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What do you plan on doing with it?

Rural or urban?

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Could be either. I live rural, but work and spend alot of time in the city

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:04:03 PM EST

[#16]

If I want a do-all rifle it'll be at least 12" and under 16", which makes doing a LPVO - preferably with a dot - a more reasonable choice.

Under 12", red dots. I really want to see Aimpoint come out with something that has holdover points though rather than ceding ground to Holosun, etc. ACOG with a piggyback or offset dot is a possible compromise for an SBR.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:05:50 PM EST

[#17]

T2 + unity

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:07:01 PM EST

[#18]

Red dot is my preference. No eye box issues, light weight, durable, and the 2 moa dot is plenty fine for bulk FMJ ammo.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:07:46 PM EST

[#19]

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I have red dots on everything under 16".

36/300 zero

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I'm going with the 36yd zero on my latest 16" build, for an all around rifle. I got a Burris 1-6, and a small red dot that sits on top of that for up close stuff. With the 36yd zero it should hit within 6" out to 300yds, so with the scope I would never need to dial or hold over under 300 yds. The Burris is MOA SFP, and I think with this zero it will be an interesting solution. Now to get it mounted up and prove myself wrong.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:07:56 PM EST

[#20]

This is almost a get both optic. 3x magnification with pretty good illumination.

https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-slx-3x-microprism-with-red-illuminated-acss-raptor-762-300bo-reticle-yard

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:08:27 PM EST

[#21]

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My SBR’s all have Aimpoints. Everything else has LPVO or irons. That’s just me though.

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Pretty much this.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:10:31 PM EST

[#22]

Thanks all for input so far. I like the eotechs but dont like the fact they dont have a shake away feature, really surprised after all these years

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:10:43 PM EST

[#23]

Put a red dot on your pistol and an LPVO on your rifle

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:11:47 PM EST

[#24]

I must be weird, I love LPVOs on SBRs.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:12:37 PM EST

[#25]

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Put a red dot on your pistol and an LPVO on your rifle

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I do have one on my 320. Started out getting used to battle sight aim and now starting to work on using the dot

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:15:14 PM EST

[#26]

My 10.5 has a red dot and the 11.5 has an LPVO.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:15:40 PM EST

[#27]

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My 10.5 has a red dot and the 11.5 has an LPVO.

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Which do you llike better for all purpose, shtf application

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:16:07 PM EST

[#28]

SHTF setup should be etched reticle. I would go LPVO. But currently have EoTech on my 11.5".

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:18:03 PM EST

[#29]

T2 + Magnifier on a 11.5

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:22:29 PM EST

[#30]

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SHTF setup should be etched reticle. I would go LPVO. But currently have EoTech on my 11.5".

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What makes ya lean that way vs your eotech?

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:23:58 PM EST

[#31]

My do all started as an 11.3 with an lpvo and rmr piggybacked.

I stretched the barrel out to 12.3 but kept the sighting arrangement.

I really like having magnification available and am willing to accept the weight penalty to keep that ability.

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Posted: 6/29/2022 8:24:59 PM EST

[#32]

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I must be weird, I love LPVOs on SBRs.

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Not at all. I’m thinking a 1-6 or 8 on a 12.5 Grendel for my next rifle.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:27:48 PM EST

[#33]

Eyebox issues for an LPVO are real.

If you don't mind more training time with it to get your head positioning down perfect every time, I would go with an LPVO every time. The red dot is more of a plug and play. It just depends on how much time you're willing to spend behind your optic.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:28:13 PM EST

[#34]

My SBRs all have dots. Everything else has and lpvo or 3x+ optic. I certainly would never build a rifle specifically for cqb.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:29:53 PM EST

[#35]

Mission dictates gear. If that gun is for close in, you can’t beat a red dot.

If it’s a general purpose 0-300yd gun, I think lpvo is the way to go.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:31:52 PM EST

[#36]

Do you want light and fast or a heavy boat anchor? Red dot or ACOG for the win...

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:34:06 PM EST

[#37]

Acog master race. Red chevron works just as fast as a red dot and also get some magnification when needed

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:34:27 PM EST

[#38]

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Do you want light and fast or a heavy boat anchor? Red dot or ACOG for the win...

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As I mentioned above this is where I finally landed…though not so eloquently put.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:36:43 PM EST

[#39]

I guess I should say its my general home defense, first grab in a bug out/shtf scenario. I live very rural but like I said I also spend time in the city and alot of the time it spends time in a pistol config so I can transport it easier

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:40:16 PM EST

[#40]

My (under 200 yards) urban blaster...

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:40:40 PM EST

[#41]

Accupoint 1-4 is on my 11.5, no battery is great and stupid lightweight

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:43:07 PM EST

[#42]

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My (under 200 yards) urban blaster...

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What is that setup

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:43:14 PM EST

[#43]

I had a dot on my 14.5 socom, green mro.
It was good, but I went back to the TR24 green triangle, it’s just to easy to get first round hits out to 300 yards with my old eyes, and 1x is as fast as a dot.
The weight is the only issue.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:45:33 PM EST

[#44]

Weight could be an issue for a long haul. Have a light mounted and I run an AAC can

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:45:50 PM EST

[#45]

I started LVPO, went Eotech with mag.

I do have an ACOG but it sits in its case most of the time.

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Thanks all for input so far. I like the eotechs but dont like the fact they dont have a shake away feature, really surprised after all these years

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Just another gimmick to break. Power buttons are fine.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:46:16 PM EST

[#46]

T2 with a magnifier on a quick detach mount.

Posted: 6/29/2022 8:48:00 PM EST

[#47]

I love lightweight red dots on SBR’s.

I’ve got an MRO, Eotech, Holosun AEMS and a Holosun 507C on my short rifles. Very light, very quick! Almost all of my training classes were done with a 10” ACR with an MRO.

I also have two very nice LVPO’s (Trijicon TR24 and a Razor 1-10) on 16” Recon style rifles. They are also amazing “do it alls”, but with a weight and speed penalty and they also have eye box/parallax issues if shooting from odd positions

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