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Because a lot of "questions" you guys have are "what if" or rhetorical or so childish they aren't worthy of remembering. And I'm not going back up in the thread View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It looks like CJ has cleaned up his act in recent years and actually started doing some good but this was two 'tards passing in the night. Officer misshandled this situation and CJ got the shitstorm he was looking for that day...
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Do what you are told peasants!!!! The police never make a mistake!!!!
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So when, in your opinion, is an officer justified in disarming a citizen? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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lol arguing PC and police procedure translates into endorsing expansive government powers. You sovereigns/anarchists/ANTIFAs are so invested in "muh oppressive government" victimhood that you're incapable of a structured discussion. Nobody in this thread has defended the cop 100% but any rebuttal, any pushback, become advocating for ubiquitous government control. Get over yourself snowflake. |
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Before I retired I damn near shot a guy chasing another guy down a side street in a residential area. Guy had tunnel vision, didn't see me until I very impolitely told him to stop and drop the gun. He complied and I separated him from the weapon. Turns out he was chasing his teenaged daughters boyfriend because he jumped on her at the dads house. Nobody was arrested. Should I have said to myself "gee there goes a freedom loving patriot running down the street exercising his 2nd ammendment right?" View Quote |
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Juror Speaks Out From Master Sgt C.J. Grisham Trial (DC Exclusive)
Posted By: Phoenix Pizgattion: October 21, 2013In: News Print Email A DontComply.com Exclusive – DC has obtained a exclusive interview from Mr. Cotterill a Juror in the trial of Master Sergeant C.J. Grisham. Mr Cotterill gives us a deep inside look into the trial, a new understanding of the outcome and why one Juror held out ending in a hung jury. “This charge I felt was garbage” , “Both of these men, Grisham and Officer Ermis, they’re both human but they are also both Heros” – Mr. Cotterill “Master Sergeant C.J. Grisham, prominent military blogger and founder of A Soldier’s Perspective, is currently embroiled in a battle to defend his second amendment rights. On March 16, 2013, C.J. was arrested in his hometown of Temple, Texas, for “rudely displaying” a hunting rifle while on a hike with his 15-year-old son. C.J., who is stationed at nearby Fort Hood, holds a permit for the weapon he was openly carrying that day, which is legal in the right-to-carry state of Texas as long as it does not cause alarm. Since the story broke, many Americans have been stunned by the video footage of the arrest, which was filmed by both C.J. and his son.” – A Soldier’s Perspective By Matthew Short https://www.dontcomply.com/juror-speaks-out-from-master-sgt-c-j-grisham-trial-dc-exclusive/ |
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"Legitimate complaints" Nobody justified all of that cops actions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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On a gun forum that is very supportive of LEOs, where we have major issues with the conduct of one particularly disgusting example of an LEO who every other LEO should be questioning as well, what do we have instead? Not just some LEOs and former LEOs coming out of the woodwork to justify his unjustifiable actions, but equating the legitimate complaints of the citizenry about his actions with ANTIFA, sovereign citizens, and anarchists. I would purge the site of people with those antagonistic and unwelcome points of view, especially once they start talking about escalating it even further to lethal force and personal attacks. You don't ever side with a guy whose conduct is anything like the officer in the OP. Nobody justified all of that cops actions. |
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Juror Speaks Out From Master Sgt C.J. Grisham Trial (DC Exclusive) Posted By: Phoenix Pizgattion: October 21, 2013In: News Print Email A DontComply.com Exclusive – DC has obtained a exclusive interview from Mr. Cotterill a Juror in the trial of Master Sergeant C.J. Grisham. Mr Cotterill gives us a deep inside look into the trial, a new understanding of the outcome and why one Juror held out ending in a hung jury. “This charge I felt was garbage” , “Both of these men, Grisham and Officer Ermis, they’re both human but they are also both Heros” – Mr. Cotterill “Master Sergeant C.J. Grisham, prominent military blogger and founder of A Soldier’s Perspective, is currently embroiled in a battle to defend his second amendment rights. On March 16, 2013, C.J. was arrested in his hometown of Temple, Texas, for “rudely displaying” a hunting rifle while on a hike with his 15-year-old son. C.J., who is stationed at nearby Fort Hood, holds a permit for the weapon he was openly carrying that day, which is legal in the right-to-carry state of Texas as long as it does not cause alarm. Since the story broke, many Americans have been stunned by the video footage of the arrest, which was filmed by both C.J. and his son.” – A Soldier’s Perspective By Matthew Short https://www.dontcomply.com/juror-speaks-out-from-master-sgt-c-j-grisham-trial-dc-exclusive/ View Quote |
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I don't need the initial contact explained to me because I'm all for it. If you get a complaint, you have to follow-up with that complaint and investigate. I don't think anybody has a problem with that. What he did after making initial contact is indefensible, even from an officer safety perspective in a society that doesn't care about the citizenry. View Quote To unpack that further, the cop CAN stop and talk to anyone. But the attitude that he should just because the guy had a gun is a poor attitude for a cop to have. |
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I spend a fair amount of time in the woods with my AR (Hunting, backpacking, and camping) in CA no less. When I have my AR out there, I keep it broken down in a frame pack until I get out into the wilderness. Why? Because I understand that it might frighten some people on a trail or in a parking lot, and it is inviting the man into my life.
Is it legal for that man to walk down the road and carry an AR? From what I gather, yes. But dude, concealed means concealed. Lots of things are legal, it dosen't mean they are all good ideas. |
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We don't have an Law Enforcement problem. We have an education and moral crisis. View Quote |
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Ol' first sarge was trolling there, and he caught a big one. I'm surprised a cop in Texas would take the exact approach that one did in the environment in which this scenario occurred. Ol' sarge was looking for action and so was the cop. Both are at fault to some degree for sure, but the cop is the one who's supposed to have his emotions in control. Therefore I award the cop more negative points for allowing this thing to get to the level it did. A large element of being a successful cop is how you handle people, diffuse situations, and stay on an even keel. Sure, there are times when the first action and the first sound is not talking...it's gunfire, or fists, or a taser. However, those are few and far between...but...if you want to survive, a cop has to consider every call and contact a potential danger. That's a funky balancing act in a "free society".
Everyone's an expert in case like this. And many on both sides of the arguments here might fail if they were actually in Ol' sarge's shoes or the cop's. In this case we know the actual background to Ol' sarge's situation, and that he is not a threat to the officer. You don't have that luxury in most calls. This could just as easily been a case where Ol' sarge and the missus had a big argument where he just killed her. Ol' sarge is now marching little Johnny away from the scene with his AR dangling from his neck when...Oooops!...here comes the popo. You can fill in the blanks with all kinds of scenarios. It's not as easy as it looks...seldom is. Still, I fault this officer to a large degree for his demeanor and lack of people skill in the interaction. |
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Not sure what the law is in that state. If it's legal ok but man walking down the ride with a rifle now days seems like a bad move. People are going to call and you are going to get attention from the police. Probably not the smartest thing to do. View Quote It doesn't matter whether or not it's illegal, it's whether or not the cop thinks it's illegal. And they say ignorance of the law is no excuse... Those dipshits need their immunity yanked so they get sued good and proper before they kill someone or get themselves killed, because it's only a matter of time before those types fuck with someone who refuses to get fucked when they aren't in the wrong. |
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I spend a fair amount of time in the woods with my AR (Hunting, backpacking, and camping) in CA no less. When I have my AR out there, I keep it broken down in a frame pack until I get out into the wilderness. Why? Because I understand that it might frighten some people on a trail or in a parking lot, and it is inviting the man into my life. Is it legal for that man to walk down the road and carry an AR? From what I gather, yes. But dude, concealed means concealed. Lots of things are legal, it dosen't mean they are all good ideas. View Quote |
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Law abiding citizens who expect LEOs to follow the law does not equal anarchist/sovereign citizens. These are blatant fallacies you're creating to defend the actions of an LEO who doesn't deserve the trust of his community to have these duties and responsibilities. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You strangely don't address that _Terry_ is NOT an unlimited power to stop and frisk individuals walking down the street... Btw, you're on a gun site where the vast majority of posters support law and order, arguing in such a manner as to cause at least some people to question whether law enforcement is properly filling the governmental role of protecting rights... These are blatant fallacies you're creating to defend the actions of an LEO who doesn't deserve the trust of his community to have these duties and responsibilities. Strangely enough, my personal friends include many law enforcement officers at all levels and sizes of agencies, from street cops to police chiefs, small rural Texas agencies to LAPD, DEA, FBI, and Federal Air Marshals. But they're all capable of discussing things without devolving to personal attacks. |
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If all he's got is personal attacks, that's all he's got. Just like his other comment trying to suggest I support ANTIFA terrorists, which cause me to wonder why he still has posting privileges here, since he's obviously not capable of abiding by the code of conduct. Strangely enough, my personal friends include many law enforcement officers at all levels and sizes of agencies, from street cops to police chiefs, small rural Texas agencies to LAPD, DEA, FBI, and Federal Air Marshals. But they're all capable of discussing things without devolving to personal attacks. View Quote |
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Wrong. I watched both videos before posting. The officer told the man to not touch his weapon. You can see the mans other hand at the weapon stock. THAT was when the officer escalated. Only he would know, but I'm assuming that he was looking for indication it might be FA, or a ghost gun, or any number of other things. Did this not ever come out at the trails that resulted? The man has no standing to make that demand. How do YOU KNOW that the mans intentions were to "secure his stock and fore end"? How is the officer supposed to know that? Once again, we see someone post something from conjecture or what they must assume is some mind-reading capability of an officer. He ( I assume) sees the mans hand move to the gun when he told the man NOT to do that, and the officer drew his sidearm and secured the man in cuffs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I see you haven't taken the time to watch the video before commenting, or didn't notice what the sequence of events were. The officer escalated before asking the victim to not touch his firearm. I watched both videos before posting. The officer told the man to not touch his weapon. You can see the mans other hand at the weapon stock. THAT was when the officer escalated. The officer first aggressively grabbed the rifle without permission, then tried to read something on the AR15 as if he knew what he was doing. I'm not sure what information he thought he was gaining by visually inspection the firearm and placing his head down in a low SA stance, but he's clearly a dummy acting on the fly. The citizen then reached up with both hands to secure his stock and fore end while clearly stating, "Woah. Hey, don't disarm me." How do YOU KNOW that the mans intentions were to "secure his stock and fore end"? How is the officer supposed to know that? Once again, we see someone post something from conjecture or what they must assume is some mind-reading capability of an officer. He ( I assume) sees the mans hand move to the gun when he told the man NOT to do that, and the officer drew his sidearm and secured the man in cuffs. |
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this is where you lost any credibility you may have had. a ghost gun? seriously? do us all a favor and stay in new york. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I see you haven't taken the time to watch the video before commenting, or didn't notice what the sequence of events were. The officer escalated before asking the victim to not touch his firearm. I watched both videos before posting. The officer told the man to not touch his weapon. You can see the mans other hand at the weapon stock. THAT was when the officer escalated. The officer first aggressively grabbed the rifle without permission, then tried to read something on the AR15 as if he knew what he was doing. I'm not sure what information he thought he was gaining by visually inspection the firearm and placing his head down in a low SA stance, but he's clearly a dummy acting on the fly. The citizen then reached up with both hands to secure his stock and fore end while clearly stating, "Woah. Hey, don't disarm me." How do YOU KNOW that the mans intentions were to "secure his stock and fore end"? How is the officer supposed to know that? Once again, we see someone post something from conjecture or what they must assume is some mind-reading capability of an officer. He ( I assume) sees the mans hand move to the gun when he told the man NOT to do that, and the officer drew his sidearm and secured the man in cuffs. |
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Serious question-what is a ghost gun? Never mind googled it View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I spend a fair amount of time in the woods with my AR (Hunting, backpacking, and camping) in CA no less. When I have my AR out there, I keep it broken down in a frame pack until I get out into the wilderness. Why? Because I understand that it might frighten some people on a trail or in a parking lot, and it is inviting the man into my life. Is it legal for that man to walk down the road and carry an AR? From what I gather, yes. But dude, concealed means concealed. Lots of things are legal, it dosen't mean they are all good ideas. View Quote |
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I spend a fair amount of time in the woods with my AR (Hunting, backpacking, and camping) in CA no less. When I have my AR out there, I keep it broken down in a frame pack until I get out into the wilderness. Why? Because I understand that it might frighten some people on a trail or in a parking lot, and it is inviting the man into my life. Is it legal for that man to walk down the road and carry an AR? From what I gather, yes. But dude, concealed means concealed. Lots of things are legal, it dosen't mean they are all good ideas. View Quote |
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Its this type of rationalization that guys like you have in this thread that makes it pointless to even discuss anything with you. You're so disassociated from reality I don't see how you can function in the real world. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They are both otherwise legal objects that can be used in an unlawful manner. There is no difference. If there was not reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime had been committed, the dangerous man with a gun had no business even talking to the guy walking with his son, let alone attacking him. It's only a shame the criminal went home safely. Says the guy worried about ghost guns. |
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What a piece of shit cop. Reaches out, completely unprovoked and grabs the dudes rifle.
Oh look there are pages and pages of JBT bootlickers here to defend him. |
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Grisham was never afraid to stand up to bullies and it bit him in the ass more than a few times. He was a pretty well known (in the mil blog world) mil blogger and was at the White House to discuss mil bloggingwith 2 different presidents.
First he butted heads with a school board and they arocked him. His CoC got involved and tried to shut him down but he fought that and won. Then he got into it with Michael Yon. Basically, Grisham suspected that Yon was either lying, or regurgitating untrue info being fed to him when writing his 'dispatches' about Iraq and Afghanistan (that he wrote from Thailand). Grisham set Yon up, sent him a email under a fake name with some pretty outlandish stories and Yon wrote about it, claiming he had multiple sources. Grisham revealed what happened and Yon has been cyberstalking and encouraging his readers to arock him for about 8 years now. It's actually kinda pathetic. Also, sometime during all of this, he wrote a blog post critical of Obama and that's what finally got him shut down by the Army. |
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