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Link Posted: 7/8/2021 8:23:25 PM EST
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And here we have a member of ARFCOM’s squad. Welcome back!
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What kept you from serving? Fear? Physical or mental incapacity? Or did mommy say no?

I’m sure you’re quite the tier 1 commando / office gun guy in real life.


Maybe did not want to die in bullshit conflicts. Can you blame him?


And here we have a member of ARFCOM’s squad. Welcome back!

Link Posted: 7/8/2021 8:30:36 PM EST
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I will add one small thing.  I first saw Rhodesian camo in the wild at the Knob Creek show in the early 2000s.  I wasn't super familiar, but the trousers damn near disappeared against the background and the person was 10 feet from me.  It got me to look up the camo, learn about the conflict, and the like.  Fascinating stuff.  

As for the politics, it was a basic tragic situation.  But the results of Zimbabwe should show what "democracy" meant in practice.  Democracy is just how you pick leaders; government delivering on security and prosperity is foremost, and the Rhodesian government was better than what came after for all races.  The combination of a communist insurgency and Western "muh democracy" fetish is what led to the tragic results for everyone involved.

Chris Cocks' *Fireforce* is a great book.  And there is a Rand Corp. study I read on conflict that really went into tactics that is quite good as well (Linked here: LINK).
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 8:46:08 PM EST
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No, apparently you cannot comment on a war unless you were in a combat arms MOS in a conflict zone. Sorry man.
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Yea I also make sure every medical/fire thread to make sure the first post establishes my superiority over others in the street medicine/yard breathing realm. Pretty closed minded to think only combat vets would have something to contribute in a discussion thread . I think it was in poor taste. Though it seems he does have something to contribute
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 8:47:32 PM EST
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I am a big fan of the Rhodesian Constitution and voting system.

A Roll and B Roll.

To get on A Roll, you had to have some skin in the game. B Roll was for those who didn't meet income or other requirements. It wasn't racial there were whites on B roll who didn't work.

One man one vote is a failed system. We are living proof of this right now.

Rhodesia also had more black millionaires then the US did at the time.

What was also pretty cool was how Rhodesia didn't force black Africans who wanted a traditional tribal life to live in European civilization. The Tribal System was left intact with the chiefs consulting with the Rhodesian government - a true republic.

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you have somewhere I can read other than wiki @ PeoplesRepublicOfIL   . Thanks in advance
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 8:48:30 PM EST
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Anyone know the story about two pilots flying WW2 Avengers over there?

Maybe Courseairs?
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ai know I saw some footage of two Rhodesians fighting in Angola on youtube . They were flying a T6 in the ground attack role
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 8:50:04 PM EST
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Lol. “If only the whites surrendered sooner it wouldn’t have been as bad.”

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Lol. “If only the whites surrendered sooner it wouldn’t have been as bad.”



You're right; obviously the way things worked out is the best of all possible worlds.

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Democracy is just how you pick leaders; government delivering on security and prosperity is foremost, and the Rhodesian government was better than what came after for all races.  The combination of a communist insurgency and Western "muh democracy" fetish is what led to the tragic results for everyone involved.

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Yeah, as Thomas Jefferson once said, I prefer safe and prosperous slavery to dangerous freedom. Wait, that doesn't seem right somehow.
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 8:51:04 PM EST
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Kinda surprised this didn’t get locked on page 1
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I don’t know which is worse, veterans that think they are now special or people that shit in veterans. Neither is a good look.
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In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences.



thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero.

I don’t know which is worse, veterans that think they are now special or people that shit in veterans. Neither is a good look.

Both are obnoxious.
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You're welcome.

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You do realize that Israel from the Bible and the modern day secular state of Israel have nothing in common, right?
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They are the Master Race of dogs.
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He's six month old now and his ridge and swirls are more defined...............a wicked mamma's boy !

I initially thought this thread was about Ridgebacks....love the content either way !

They are the Master Race of dogs.



So you want to play like that huh?....Nala says they broke the mold after me.
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Link Posted: 7/8/2021 9:10:48 PM EST
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Well, for what it's worth, I enlisted to kill. So, we could've been fighting Israelis, and it wouldn't have made a difference to me, I just wanted to pop my cherry.
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In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences.



thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero.


Well, for what it's worth, I enlisted to kill. So, we could've been fighting Israelis, and it wouldn't have made a difference to me, I just wanted to pop my cherry.


2021?  
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 9:14:24 PM EST
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“Slot a floppy!”

There, I proved you correct. Congratulations!
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 9:22:31 PM EST
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Majority rule was inevitable; but maybe Zimbabwe wasn't. The Bush War lead to a vast expansion of black guerilla groups, guaranteeing that the most violent black nationalists would eventually rise to power. If the Bush war had been avoided by creating an authentic path to majority rule in the 60s, the end result might have been a more peaceful transition of power, marginalization of the black guerilla groups, and a better end product; something like a Muzorewa lead Zimbabwe-Rhodesia but with the domestic and international respect needed to survive
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Why is western democracy inevitable in all cultures, or for this discussion at least Africa? Isn't that an external value that was foisted on Africa by colonizers salving their consciences upon abandoning their former colonies? Isn't it an expression of white guilt? Remember what democracy is in its essence - two wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu. It's literally greek for "mob rule."

I say again that democracy is, especially in the case of Rhodesia and other African nations, nothing more than a tool for subversion wielded by communists. It subverts the core values of the target nation and replaces them with "gimme dat free stuff now" and "join the Party to get your free stuff, and beat the fuck out of anybody who doesn't vote for us who promise you the free stuff." Mark my words, the Dems are pushing that last bit right here, right now. It's why Rhodesia is relevant to us.
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Why is western democracy inevitable in all cultures, or for this discussion at least Africa? Isn't that an external value that was foisted on Africa by colonizers salving their consciences upon abandoning their former colonies? Isn't it an expression of white guilt? Remember what democracy is in its essence - two wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu. It's literally greek for "mob rule."

I say again that democracy is, especially in the case of Rhodesia and other African nations, nothing more than a tool for subversion wielded by communists. It subverts the core values of the target nation and replaces them with "gimme dat free stuff now" and "join the Party to get your free stuff, and beat the fuck out of anybody who doesn't vote for us who promise you the free stuff." Mark my words, the Dems are pushing that last bit right here, right now. It's why Rhodesia is relevant to us.
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I didn’t say western democracy was inevitable. I said majority rule was inevitable. Zimbabwe certainly doesn't fit my definition of a western democracy.
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Even if he does at least he has a job and doesn’t live on “disability” cuz my PTSD.
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What kept you from serving? Fear? Physical or mental incapacity? Or did mommy say no?

I’m sure you’re quite the tier 1 commando / office gun guy in real life.


Dakota Meyer is that you?!

Get off your high horse.

I work with people like you, they are the lowest performers on our team. The first to brag and/or shit on others, last at the finish line.





I’m sorry that the Jersey Mike’s sub franchise you work at is full of sub performers. At least you get to eat for free.
Even if he does at least he has a job and doesn’t live on “disability” cuz my PTSD.



Link Posted: 7/8/2021 9:39:28 PM EST
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Same name.  Same location.  Same religion.

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It's like if Italy suddenly declared they were the Roman Empire tomorrow.  It would have the same name, same location, but it wouldn't be the same as the Roman Empire that existed 2000 years ago.
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 9:41:06 PM EST
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Universal suffrage is doomed to fail. Even in successful societies the losers will eventually outnumber the successful.
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Especially in successful societies the losers will outnumber the successful. When even the most destitute, the most corrupted, the most despicable are fully protected by law and provided for by government, weakness or corruption is no longer a liability. Modern, western societies enable everyone to succeed, at least to the point of reproducing and passing on their values. Cue up the intro to Idiocracy here.

In a rough society with no safety net, failure is punished harshly, even to be naturally selected out of the gene pool. Hard times create strong men, etc.
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 9:44:38 PM EST
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Just get the fuck and get it over with out of here girls.
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Yup, I lost, you're clearly the better man (by default).

Either way, you fucked another thread in GD, congrats.

Thank you for your service to the establishment.

Maybe seek out help for your personality disorder.


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Lol. Get over yourself.

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Projection much?

Just get the fuck and get it over with out of here girls.

FIFY
Link Posted: 7/8/2021 9:45:28 PM EST
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Whole lot of derails going on in here.

Thread had potential.
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I didn’t say western democracy was inevitable. I said majority rule was inevitable. Zimbabwe certainly doesn't fit my definition of a western democracy.
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When I say western democracy, I mean majority rule. A poor word choice. Zimbabwe does fit what the Democrat party wants - a majority vote to give them absolute power. They aren't hiding it, they want absolute power and unlimited government. So in that sense, Zimbabwe is a model of western democracy as the Democrat party sees it.

But do explain why majority rule was inevitable? I say it was only inevitable because the Communists pushed and fought for it, enabled by dupes in the West (UK and USA leading the way).
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Shows a severe lack of historical knowledge and a trash approach to things they do not understand.
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When I say western democracy, I mean majority rule. A poor word choice. Zimbabwe does fit what the Democrat party wants - a majority vote to give them absolute power. They aren't hiding it, they want absolute power and unlimited government. So in that sense, Zimbabwe is a model of western democracy as the Democrat party sees it.
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When I say western democracy, I mean majority rule. A poor word choice. Zimbabwe does fit what the Democrat party wants - a majority vote to give them absolute power. They aren't hiding it, they want absolute power and unlimited government. So in that sense, Zimbabwe is a model of western democracy as the Democrat party sees it.


I think the distinction is important. Rhodesia's actions lead to majority rule, but not western style democracy. I propose that they could have had western style democracy, or something closer to it, if they'd followed a different path.

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But do explain why majority rule was inevitable? I say it was only inevitable because the Communists pushed and fought for it, enabled by dupes in the West (UK and USA leading the way).


Because the AK-47 and the IED exist, and the whites weren't going to do their own menial labor. The Rhodesians didn't have to invent the MRAP because the war was going well for them.
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Because it failed at an accelerated rate?

Are you from Portlandia or something?
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Because it failed at an accelerated rate?

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Because they never had a real election, which is sort of a prerequisite for democracy. Are you not familiar with their history?
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I am a big fan of the Rhodesian Constitution and voting system.

A Roll and B Roll.

To get on A Roll, you had to have some skin in the game. B Roll was for those who didn't meet income or other requirements. It wasn't racial there were whites on B roll who didn't work.

One man one vote is a failed system. We are living proof of this right now.

Rhodesia also had more black millionaires then the US did at the time.

What was also pretty cool was how Rhodesia didn't force black Africans who wanted a traditional tribal life to live in European civilization. The Tribal System was left intact with the chiefs consulting with the Rhodesian government - a true republic.

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Very interesting, this is why I love history
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I hate our history revisionists in the media, anyone who talks of Rhodesia is considered extremist. The awesome part of that documentary was that it should the whites and blacks fighting together against commies. So many great people starved after the Commies took over. So sad. Wish the good guys won, but we can't win them all.  

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They care more about their pension than they do about silly things like crushing ideologies that will eventually destroy this nation.
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The entire documentary is on youtube but you can't share it.  I'm glad I still have paper copies of the Bible and the constitution.
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You can download videos off of YouTube.
I do I often for "high risk" videos.
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Israel is the Church.  The Chosen People of the Bible who continued to worship God became Christians.  Jesus said who those who did not follow him worshipped.  John 8:44.
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I think the distinction is important. Rhodesia's actions lead to majority rule, but not western style democracy. I propose that they could have had western style democracy, or something closer to it, if they'd followed a different path.



Because the AK-47 and the IED exist, and the whites weren't going to do their own menial labor. The Rhodesians didn't have to invent the MRAP because the war was going well for them.
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In hindsight, the Rhodesians should have just maintained their Republic, taken losses, kept fighting, and refused to surrender or alter their system to the Communists.  

For all practical purposes, the democracy itself in Zimbabwe has been close enough to western-style.  The Shona tribe, being the most numerous, was going to dominate and have their strong man no matter what, even if the elections weren't 100% flawless.  Two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner, and the Matabele got the worst of it.
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I think that majority rule was inevitable. Less than 10% of the population could never keep more than 90% of the population subjugated in a world where the AK-47 exists.

I think that spending a decade and a half telling 90% of the population that they'd never achieve equality made things worse by driving people into the arms of the commie guerilla groups. Robert Mugabe was a nobody at the time of UDI. For all the Rhodesians' tactical brilliance, the Bush War was a massive strategic failure.
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They had an entire continent of examples of what happens when blacks rule.

You think maybe they were smart enough to know better than to do the same?

Rhodesia wasn't a lost cause. It was a cause lost.

Went from the thriving, bread basket of Africa to..Zimbabwe for very specific and clear reasons.

It is pathetic that people ignore truth.


I think that majority rule was inevitable. Less than 10% of the population could never keep more than 90% of the population subjugated in a world where the AK-47 exists.

I think that spending a decade and a half telling 90% of the population that they'd never achieve equality made things worse by driving people into the arms of the commie guerilla groups. Robert Mugabe was a nobody at the time of UDI. For all the Rhodesians' tactical brilliance, the Bush War was a massive strategic failure.


Why not?

Our government wants to subjugate the rest of us to about 13% of the population in a world where the AR15 exists.
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She’s beautiful.  You keep her nice and lean.

Looks like my boy.

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He's six month old now and his ridge and swirls are more defined...............a wicked mamma's boy !

I initially thought this thread was about Ridgebacks....love the content either way !

They are the Master Race of dogs.



So you want to play like that huh?....Nala says they broke the mold after me.
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She’s beautiful.  You keep her nice and lean.

Looks like my boy.

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Thanks.....definitely a princess.  See that duck in the background? She couldn't be bothered cause she's not getting wet.  Great dogs ....I wouldn't have anything else and wish we had space for 1 or 2 more.  



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In hindsight, the Rhodesians should have just maintained their Republic, taken losses, kept fighting, and refused to surrender or alter their system to the Communists.  

For all practical purposes, the democracy itself in Zimbabwe has been close enough to western-style.  The Shona tribe, being the most numerous, was going to dominate and have their strong man no matter what, even if the elections weren't 100% flawless.  Two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner, and the Matabele got the worst of it.
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In hindsight, the Rhodesians should have just maintained their Republic, taken losses, kept fighting, and refused to surrender or alter their system to the Communists.  

For all practical purposes, the democracy itself in Zimbabwe has been close enough to western-style.  The Shona tribe, being the most numerous, was going to dominate and have their strong man no matter what, even if the elections weren't 100% flawless.  Two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner, and the Matabele got the worst of it.


Their Republic wasn't going to last much longer. The big, flashy external operations they conducted towards the end of the war were necessary because the guerilla groups were growing so large and so well equipped that they threatened to soon possess the ability to transition to open, conventional  warfare. If the Rhodesians had kept on the same path they might have kept control of the cities for a few more years before ZANLA and ZIPRA rolled tanks in and slaughtered them all; a result that's pretty obviously worse than the slow land grabs and high crime rates that actually happened.

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Why not?

Our government wants to subjugate the rest of us to about 13% of the population in a world where the AR15 exists.


Do you really not see the difference between whats happening here, where ~50% of the majority population is voting for the "subjugation", and Rhodesia?
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Being a coward has nothing to do with it.  I grew up during the Vietnam war and watched thousand and thousands die and get fucked up and the people who sent them over would not let them win.  Then when they got home they were treated like shit.

When we have a war where everyone serves and there are no deferments and no one comes home till we destroy the enemy and take their land and natural resources call me.

When we have a war where we terminate all the communist and traitors in this country call me.

I have nothing against those of you who volunteer to be in the military and protect this country.  But, not a hell of a lot has been accomplished and it has cost us a shit load of lives and money.  We could have done much more with much less but you have to be willing to really kill your enemy and our military and politicians dont want to kill too many people.  In war you have to kill the ever living shit out of your enemy till you demoralize them and we just do not have the will to do what it takes.  Call me when you get serious.

Sorry to derail,  because a lot of real patriots white and black  some from all around the world tried to stop communism in Rhodesia and came up short and we are facing that fight right here.
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The TTOS book by David Scot Donolan is really good if you can find it. He’s a cool dude, too.
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Here are most of the ones I read in the last few years:




Here is my archive of the first 25 years of Soldier of Fortune magazine:

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Here is my archive of Gung-Ho magazine:

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I have more info that I will post later.
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Especially in successful societies the losers will outnumber the successful. When even the most destitute, the most corrupted, the most despicable are fully protected by law and provided for by government, weakness or corruption is no longer a liability. Modern, western societies enable everyone to succeed, at least to the point of reproducing and passing on their values. Cue up the intro to Idiocracy here.

In a rough society with no safety net, failure is punished harshly, even to be naturally selected out of the gene pool. Hard times create strong men, etc.
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Absolutely
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Pretty well written paper written by someone attending Canadian Armed Forces College. There are a few more that are really good too.

https://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/259/290/405/305/hartman.pdf

Also, Lawren Guldemond wrote an excellent paper while he was at the Royal Military College of Canada entitles, “ on the strategic Analysis of Modern Insurgency; with a Case Study on the Chimurenga War in Rhodesia.”

It was online, but now I can’t seem to find a copy of it anywhere. Great study and analysis.
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Remote Brutality, Rhodesian Style

(This guy would be my friend)


Remote Brutality 2021 with an FN FAL



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She's beautiful.  You keep her nice and lean.

Looks like my boy.

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Mine has it kinda rough.........If my wife isn't sitting in her chair, his ass is in it !

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Thanks MGySgt it has been many years since I have read those SoF Mags. There was allot of world conflicts in the 70's and SoF was my go to for what I thought was up to date information on combat arms and world events. And I could buy at the local store.
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My uncle served in the RLI.  I really wish I had asked him about it years ago before he passed.
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Needs more music...

John Edmond was one of the better artists that came out of the Bush War. The Last Word in Rhodesian was written done well.  Change my mind.
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