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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:42:08 AM EDT
[#1]
When are they dusting off the Death Fridge?
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:44:18 AM EDT
[#2]
Question for the military historians here in this esteemed forum
Was the T62 the pressure cooker that explodes from it's own magazine/explosive shells when it's hit and blows it's own turret like a Jack-in-The-Box? I like watching them cook off  Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!!!
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:47:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LMFAO!!!! Whats next ? . . . Panzershrecks and Maxims ?     https://i2.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/0f731bde.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b4/BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg/600px-BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg Pretty sure we've seen pictures of Maxims deployed in/by Ukraine months ago. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:48:21 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LMFAO!!!! Whats next ? . . . Panzershrecks and Maxims ? https://i2.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/0f731bde.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b4/BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg/600px-BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg But I want to see video of an SU-100 in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:48:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In WW2, the Soviets we're losing equipment and men at huge rates. The US kept them from falling apart by supplying them with enormous amounts of equipment and basic supplies. In Ukraine, the US is not supplying the Russians. The US is supplying the Ukraine. I don't know why the Russians think they can fight much smaller nations right next to them without US help. didn't FJB say he wouldn't do anything if russia only did a limited incursion into Ukraine, kind of like how bush 41 said the same thing about kuwait? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:50:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all. ah yeah but the chinese totally are bro, trust us |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:53:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is gonna be in a world of hurt if China decides to make a move to reclaim what they think is theirs in the East. Kind of fortuitous that Chinese-owned politicians in the West have backed Ukraine and bled out Russia, materially. TC That’s one way of looking at at it and would take a Clancy book path, but the Russians can and will use nukes if their soil is attacked, it is part of their doctrine. If Russia didn’t have nukes they would have been done by now; NATO would have laid waste to the forces in UKR and China would have probably invaded eastern Russia. Hey, maybe Russia will be invited to join NATO when this is all over
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:58:46 AM EDT
[#8]
A lot of people are stuck on what type of tank and what type of ATGM.
It's the 3C, intelligence and logistics that is winning this. Knowing is half the battle.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:02:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In another 6 months when those run out they be reactivating T34's and IS2's BT-7s and T-26s next!
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:06:10 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all. In the 60s we'd have been rolled over. The only thing stopping Russia was the threat of nukes. The M60 was a hell of a tank but it wasn't the end all be all. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:07:16 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure we've seen pictures of Maxims deployed in/by Ukraine months ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LMFAO!!!! Whats next ? . . . Panzershrecks and Maxims ? https://i2.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/0f731bde.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b4/BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg/600px-BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg Pretty sure we've seen pictures of Maxims deployed in/by Ukraine months ago. You know you are pretty low on the Invasion Totem Pole when you get assigned a "Tuk-Tuk" motorized tricyce with a old WWI vintage Maxim in the back...  Russia... STRONK!!!!  Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:07:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: didn't FJB say he wouldn't do anything if russia only did a limited incursion into Ukraine, kind of like how bush 41 said the same thing about kuwait? Bush 41 didn't say it. It was U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie who told Saddam, ‘[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.’ The U.S. state department had earlier told Saddam that Washington had ‘no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait.’ Did you notice that I did not capitalize state department? That was on purpose. I had to work with those incompetent, self-serving assholes in Iraq. I found them to be shallow, vacuous, weak, foolish, pompous, and generally unfit for anything more advanced than pushing a broom. Even then I would expect to need a Private to follow behind them if I expected anything to be swept properly. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:08:20 AM EDT
[#13]
Next month they are going to want all their 98K captures, Mosins and Nagant revolvers back.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:08:22 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The T-62 only has 242mm of armor on its front turret facing. The HEAT warhead on an AT-4 will penetrate 450mm.  Attached FileNow I want to see videos of T-62s being smoked by AT-4s. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:12:06 AM EDT
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I'm no tank expert, but aren't these older models even more fuel inefficient than current models? I mean, i know a tank isn't a mpg role model, but Russia can barely maintain its own supply chain, let alone maintain what is probably an even more fuel hungry and maintenance intensive model. Not that they have a choice, but this is rapidly devolving into zero sum for them-- The more armor they lose, the more antiques they deploy resulting in less up-time for the armor, which likely results in more amore lost...
I mean, I knew Russian propaganda was full of bullshit, but I never imagined them to be this bad. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:12:56 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it's a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ's factory floor. Even getting the SU-122's ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:13:25 AM EDT
[#17]
To be fair at least they have a second line MBT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:27:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm no tank expert, but aren't these older models even more fuel inefficient than current models? I mean, i know a tank isn't a mpg role model, but Russia can barely maintain its own supply chain, let alone maintain what is probably an even more fuel hungry and maintenance intensive model. Not that they have a choice, but this is rapidly devolving into zero sum for them-- The more armor they lose, the more antiques they deploy resulting in less up-time for the armor, which likely results in more amore lost... I mean, I knew Russian propaganda was full of bullshit, but I never imagined them to be this bad. It's doesn't matter because in 2022 they're only useful as cremation coffins anyway. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:27:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know you are pretty low on the Invasion Totem Pole when you get assigned a "Tuk-Tuk" motorized tricyce with a old WWI vintage Maxim in the back... https://preview.redd.it/f8ce32qtjzo81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c8ceb532748cd799f76f88bb1a7dfa25dcb362d0 Russia... STRONK!!!! Bigger_Hammer  Holy fuck, I was just joking 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:34:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody getting into that antique shit is going to die horribly. You'd have to be suicidal to not be a Russian draft dodger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it's a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ's factory floor. Even getting the SU-122's ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG T62 rebuild factory vid. Mae West armor
Also, supposedly data on Russian Tank losses showing recent T62s are in the grinder. Can't comment on the source or accuracy but they are there. 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:39:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Question for the military historians here in this esteemed forum Was the T62 the pressure cooker that explodes from it's own magazine/explosive shells when it's hit and blows it's own turret like a Jack-in-The-Box? I like watching them cook off Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!!!T-54/T-55s & T-62s can suffer catastrophic turret-hull separation if fully “tactical” (uploaded with ammunition and fuel). Also, my understanding is the that turrets aren’t bolted to the hull, since 1. The turrets are heavy enough to stay in position through gravity, and 2. Tanks are not designed to operate upside down The older T-54/T-55s and T-62s didn’t seem to disintegrate like the newer T-72 series, but I have seen both of the older series “intact” but burnt out, and others blown apart. I have a picture of a T-55 in Kuwait that was hit in the right side of the hull with a TOW ATGM, the turret popped off, came back down main gun muzzle first, bent the tube, and the turret resting on the hull askew. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:45:35 AM EDT
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They have parallel lines (that were running LRP before the war) updating/refurbing both T-72s and T-80s (most likely this is where a chunk of their foreign-sourced electronics are going).
The T-62s seem to be intended to plus-up the Russian infantry force as assault/support guns in the Direct Fire role, from a standoff position that (they hope) will keep them out of RPG/LAW/AT-4/NLAW range. Javelins and modern ATGMs are still near-insta-death, though. As to why them and not the T-55s? It's uncertain how many T-55s the Russians have in storage (they gifted/sold/scrapped a bunch, perhaps all....and the ones they didn't might be materially degraded past easy return to service).....and the Russian/Soviet T-55s didn't get much in the way of updating (the last update for the T-55 that was widely adopted in Russia was the mid-80's ERA package, and the Drozd installation for the Naval Infantry before they switched to T-80s). Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG Given that that looks like a T-34 chassis over in the back, I'm guessing that's a picture from the periodic refurb they do for the Russian MOD's collection of WWII vehicles they use in the Victory Day parade. Highly unlikely they've got them stripped down for "updates" so they can be sent to the Front. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:54:42 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Next month they are going to want all their 98K captures, Mosins and Nagant revolvers back. They probably have salt mines full of Mosin Nagants and Winchester 1895r rifles……. They can issue those |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:55:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of people are stuck on what type of tank and what type of ATGM. It's the 3C, intelligence and logistics that is winning this. Knowing is half the battle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/55313/A862DBC0-83A3-43BE-B39A-A7032674E6A1_png-2562465.JPG T-62s have been in seen in Ukraine for a while, but the real question is how does pulling all this obsolescent out of storage and putting it into service further strain the Russian's already piss poor logistics? You now need to feed it with 115mm rounds instead of the T-90's or T-80's 125mm rounds. You have different wear and tear parts that need to be replaced/repaired. Fuel consumption rates between the different tanks in service are not the same, so if you're mixing a T-80 battalion with a T-62 battalion in an armored regiment, you have to factor that in, not to mention I believe there are some T-80s that are gas turbine engines as opposed to the T-90s or T-62s diesel engines. Standardization of parts and equipment across a force simplifies logistics and sustainment, and that isn't even going into the inability to standardize the "training" (if you want to call it that) the recently mobilized receive before heading to the the front. One thing I just thought about too is how introducing a "new" piece of equipment complicates the IFF prior to engagement. You might see some more red-on-red incidents because Ivan wasn't told the new Russian tank company to his right flank has T-62s. I have seen less and less Zs on Russian vehicles. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:58:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have parallel lines (that were running LRP before the war) updating/refurbing both T-72s and T-80s (most likely this is where a chunk of their foreign-sourced electronics are going). The T-62s seem to be intended to plus-up the Russian infantry force as assault/support guns in the Direct Fire role, from a standoff position that (they hope) will keep them out of RPG/LAW/AT-4/NLAW range. Javelins and modern ATGMs are still near-insta-death, though. As to why them and not the T-55s? It's uncertain how many T-55s the Russians have in storage (they gifted/sold/scrapped a bunch, perhaps all....and the ones they didn't might be materially degraded past easy return to service).....and the Russian/Soviet T-55s didn't get much in the way of updating (the last update for the T-55 that was widely adopted in Russia was the mid-80's ERA package, and the Drozd installation for the Naval Infantry before they switched to T-80s). Given that that looks like a T-34 chassis over in the back, I'm guessing that's a picture from the periodic refurb they do for the Russian MOD's collection of WWII vehicles they use in the Victory Day parade. Highly unlikely they've got them stripped down for "updates" so they can be sent to the Front. Quote HistoryQuoted: They have parallel lines (that were running LRP before the war) updating/refurbing both T-72s and T-80s (most likely this is where a chunk of their foreign-sourced electronics are going). The T-62s seem to be intended to plus-up the Russian infantry force as assault/support guns in the Direct Fire role, from a standoff position that (they hope) will keep them out of RPG/LAW/AT-4/NLAW range. Javelins and modern ATGMs are still near-insta-death, though. As to why them and not the T-55s? It's uncertain how many T-55s the Russians have in storage (they gifted/sold/scrapped a bunch, perhaps all....and the ones they didn't might be materially degraded past easy return to service).....and the Russian/Soviet T-55s didn't get much in the way of updating (the last update for the T-55 that was widely adopted in Russia was the mid-80's ERA package, and the Drozd installation for the Naval Infantry before they switched to T-80s). Quoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG Given that that looks like a T-34 chassis over in the back, I'm guessing that's a picture from the periodic refurb they do for the Russian MOD's collection of WWII vehicles they use in the Victory Day parade. Highly unlikely they've got them stripped down for "updates" so they can be sent to the Front. Aren’t those usually issued to the Taman Guards? They get to drive those fancy white sidewall T-72s |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:58:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all. The Soviet army of the 1970s is not the Russian army of 2020s. Stalin's "quantity has a quality all it's own" does not apply anymore. In tech and in the size and extent of the current Russian forces. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:02:48 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Question for the military historians here in this esteemed forum Was the T62 the pressure cooker that explodes from it's own magazine/explosive shells when it's hit and blows it's own turret like a Jack-in-The-Box? I like watching them cook off Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!!!Thats every russian tank with an auto loader |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:02:56 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG T-34's far right, SU100's and T72's quite a range. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:08:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/nod-3.gif Now I want to see videos of T-62s being smoked by AT-4s. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The T-62 only has 242mm of armor on its front turret facing. The HEAT warhead on an AT-4 will penetrate 450mm. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/nod-3.gif Now I want to see videos of T-62s being smoked by AT-4s. Effective range of an AT-4 on a tank sized target is around 300m. Which is getting pretty damn close to armor for my taste. That being said the Russians have repeatedly shown a inability to defend their tanks with dismounted infantry. The AT-4 is going to kick up a plume giving away the firers position. AT-4s are cheap so I’d set up multiple kill teams to fire simultaneously to defeat the ablative armor. Then scoot. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:12:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In another 6 months when those run out they be reactivating T34's and IS2's I'll bet there's a bunch of old KV-1's stashed somewhere they could put back into service |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:14:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are…..might see some T-34s upgunned on the battlefield soon……be funny if the Ukrainians had a Panther they took out of storage somewhere and engaged them with it
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:14:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LMFAO!!!! Whats next ? . . . Panzershrecks and Maxims ? https://i2.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/0f731bde.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b4/BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg/600px-BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg They are using lots of Maxim's as we speak. Lots of pictures of them out there. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:15:20 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all. the last 30 years is different then the time shortly after Vietnam. Vietnam was fought just like WW2. With that lack of tech, numbers really matter and the Soviet Union had massive overwhelming numbers with about the same tech level during most of the cold war. That all changed and the status quo narrative stayed the same because there is lots of crooked money in it. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:16:26 AM EDT
[#34]
Both sides are doing similar things. Whether it’s old recruits or old tanks. https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/20/slovenia-to-supply-28-m-55s-tanks-to-ukraine/
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:20:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both sides are doing similar things. Whether it’s old recruits or old tanks. https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/20/slovenia-to-supply-28-m-55s-tanks-to-ukraine/ I think they could possibly upgun the 62 and the 55 to take the 125……. Might take some work but the Israelis are good at that and could lend them some expertise |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:24:10 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG If some big change doesn’t happen soon, Putin won’t have much of any conventional military left. Anti-tank guns from WWII, going into action against Ukraine, its more modern Soviet era stuff, and all that donated western hardware.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:25:27 AM EDT
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First Invasion of Ukraine: February 2014
Second Invasion of Ukraine: February 2022 Soon:  Girls und Panzer der Film - BT-42 scene on crack (1/4) *Subtitles and pizza not accurate. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:32:22 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...might see some T-34s upgunned on the battlefield soon……be funny if the Ukrainians had a Panther they took out of storage somewhere and engaged them with it That would be wild. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:32:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because by the end of the war the Russians were doing quite well with production. They (mostly women/children) literally moved manufacturing facilities across the country. How many less tanks/artillery would they have produced without lens-lease? The US have them a lot of supply trucks in particular, how many less T34s/Su100s/aircraft/big guns would they have made if they had to dedicate more of their production capacity to making those? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:36:56 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all. no shit....fucking military industrial complex at it again |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:37:52 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And so it turned that Russia, like Iraq, really wasnt much of a threat to the world after all...... Russia sucks ass so much their Navy is getting wrekt by a country that does not even have a navy
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:39:59 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Question for the military historians here in this esteemed forum Was the T62 the pressure cooker that explodes from it's own magazine/explosive shells when it's hit and blows it's own turret like a Jack-in-The-Box? I like watching them cook off Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!!!That's like....Every Russian MBT from post WW2 I think. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:40:12 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is gonna be in a world of hurt if China decides to make a move to reclaim what they think is theirs in the East. Kind of fortuitous that Chinese-owned politicians in the West have backed Ukraine and bled out Russia, materially. TC What does China think they own in the East? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:43:20 AM EDT
[#44]
No autoloader on the T-62 so every time one pops its top Russia loses 4 men instead of 3.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:43:40 AM EDT
[#45]
This is going to be like, Tank Pokemon. Gotta kill them all.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:49:36 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well that depends if it's a metric or imperial shit ton. I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG Is 2015 recent to you? Always doubt any picture you see and learn to do a reverse image search.  Attached File2017 article with the picture |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:53:55 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know you are pretty low on the Invasion Totem Pole when you get assigned a "Tuk-Tuk" motorized tricyce with a old WWI vintage Maxim in the back... https://preview.redd.it/f8ce32qtjzo81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c8ceb532748cd799f76f88bb1a7dfa25dcb362d0 Russia... STRONK!!!! Bigger_Hammer Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: LMFAO!!!! Whats next ? . . . Panzershrecks and Maxims ? https://i2.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/0f731bde.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b4/BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg/600px-BitvaZaMoskvu-Maxim.jpg Pretty sure we've seen pictures of Maxims deployed in/by Ukraine months ago. You know you are pretty low on the Invasion Totem Pole when you get assigned a "Tuk-Tuk" motorized tricyce with a old WWI vintage Maxim in the back... https://preview.redd.it/f8ce32qtjzo81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c8ceb532748cd799f76f88bb1a7dfa25dcb362d0 Russia... STRONK!!!! Bigger_Hammer Shit, I’d love that trailer for firewood. The Maxim can stand in for the chainsaw. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:54:13 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lost in this is the question of whether tanks in general are obsolete now. That's a huge conclusion to draw. Considering that Russia's tactics haven't evolved much form WWI... Combined arms seems to be a foreign concept to them. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:54:26 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all. For decades, they had the Warsaw Pact countries backing them up. Now they are alone, without FDR sending them $ and equipment. I am surprised they haven't been buying the stuff we are sending from the Ukrainians. Or maybe they already are. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:55:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they could possibly upgun the 62 and the 55 to take the 125……. Might take some work but the Israelis are good at that and could lend them some expertise Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Both sides are doing similar things. Whether it’s old recruits or old tanks. https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/20/slovenia-to-supply-28-m-55s-tanks-to-ukraine/ I think they could possibly upgun the 62 and the 55 to take the 125……. Might take some work but the Israelis are good at that and could lend them some expertise Israelis upgraded their captures 55s to use the 105 |
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