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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:23:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:25:22 AM EDT
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Yeah man. It's a war.
I hope they lost that armor gaining back something meaningful. The good news is it appears crew exits are all open, looks like guys got out. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:30:47 AM EDT
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General Rommel would be disappointed.
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:32:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:35:30 AM EDT
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Cheap, autonomously ai controlled drones are the near future. We can make them right now and it’s not that difficult. Ai powered cameras flying them to a predetermined spot. With only their programming to guide them. They don’t need to be good. They just need to be good enough en masse.
Who can produce the most of these in-country? The current resource and labor inefficient sitting ducks are not going to win wars. I’m talking about total wars. Just short of nuclear or even nuclear wars. The wars where someone will do what is necessary to win and nothing less or more. Our pathetic leaders are not willing to do what it takes to win and will have battalion after battalion laid to waste against an inferior enemy who is unleashed. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:38:40 AM EDT
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I've genuinely wondered why people keep harping on this?
As shitty as Russian tactics are, the West knows its going to lose a good bit of equipment in this offensive. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:42:22 AM EDT
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Now they will want twenty more to replace that one with.
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:42:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah man. It's a war. I hope they lost that armor gaining back something meaningful. The good news is it appears crew exits are all open, looks like guys got out. They didn't |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:43:31 AM EDT
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So looks like they lost about 10% of the Bradleys sent.
Those hookers and blow won’t pay for themselves, we live in a kleptocracy. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:44:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've genuinely wondered why people keep harping on this? As shitty as Russian tactics are, the West knows its going to lose a good bit of equipment in this offensive. Disregarding Russia for a moment, stuff like this is idiotic and unnecessary: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1667191463669628928 |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:47:30 AM EDT
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Well, they're fighting along terrain that is mostly open farm land fields with very little concealment in an era of drones and man portable ATGMs. Plus, they can't really do combined arms that well since they have very limited air assets themselves (almost no attack helicopters, very few ISR planes, and very few multi-role or bomber aircraft).
Plus, look you can train crews to be the best damn crews in the world, but you can't in a matter of months bring an entire officer corps up to par with that of Western officers who have reached equivalent ranks after decades of professional development. This is going to be a tough fight. One or two great piece of hardware is not going to lead to some overmatch situation where Ukraine just dominates like the U.S. did against Iraq in 1991. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:48:19 AM EDT
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Its going to happen. Now whether they were death by turret pop or just disabled mechanically and abandoned are 2 different things.
I wouldnt mind seeing what a platoon of current US spec M1A2s would do against Soviet armor. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:49:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Disregarding Russia for a moment, stuff like this is idiotic and unnecessary: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1667191463669628928 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've genuinely wondered why people keep harping on this? As shitty as Russian tactics are, the West knows its going to lose a good bit of equipment in this offensive. Disregarding Russia for a moment, stuff like this is idiotic and unnecessary: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1667191463669628928 Extremely idiotic. You'd think they would have adopted western tactics and discipline after this much time, or at least have training on why its bad to stack armor that close. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:49:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So looks like they lost about 10% of the Bradleys sent. Those hookers and blow won’t pay for themselves, we live in a kleptocracy. I thought the Bradley was supposed to suck bad?  How Bad Was The Bradley IFV? |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:51:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Extremely idiotic. You'd think they would have adopted western tactics and discipline after this much time, or at least have training on why its bad to stack armor that close. Abridged training, they don't have NCOs with years and years of experience using this equipment. They have an officer corps that completely lacks the decades of development their Western counterparts have. Still, all things considered they're not doing as terribly as I expected, but yeah they've lost maybe 10% of their IFVs and about 1/3rd of their artillery in the past year. Don't discount the terrain issue with open farm land everywhere (it's unreal how much of Ukraine is just flat open farm land) and the fact that they have almost no air cover. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:52:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:55:54 AM EDT
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Tanks are not some wunderwaffen weapon that will change the tide of a war these days
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:56:38 AM EDT
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Did the ukies abandon all those vehicles in the first tweet? They don't seem to have moved through out the shelling and after.
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah man. It's a war. I hope they lost that armor gaining back something meaningful. The good news is it appears crew exits are all open, looks like guys got out. It was fucking dumb. Bunched up on the only un-mined path through an open field and a rus drone called in arty fire. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:01:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the ukies abandon all those vehicles in the first tweet? They don't seem to have moved through out the shelling and after. Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:03:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet Bullshit. even Ukrainians don't believe that. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:03:57 PM EDT
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When is this going to end??
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:05:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When is this going to end?? Somewhere between the Berlin Wall and the 38th parallel. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:08:11 PM EDT
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I'm all good with knowing tanks, IFVs are going to be destroyed. But at least do so using proper doctrine. Rolling down the road, in broad daylight, closely packed together is not going to cut it.
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:08:17 PM EDT
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Sadly this will happen. They aren’t impervious to things that said that column was way too bunched up together. Easy picking for the Russians.
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:11:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its going to happen. Now whether they were death by turret pop or just disabled mechanically and abandoned are 2 different things. I wouldnt mind seeing what a platoon of current US spec M1A2s would do against Soviet armor. Good luck with that. Tank on tank battles are largely a thing of the past. You just get blown away from artillery or air power. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:13:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When is this going to end?? Not until we send at least a few billion more. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:15:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did the ukies abandon all those vehicles in the first tweet? They don't seem to have moved through out the shelling and after. Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet 1. No. lol Not in this case. 2. This battle seems to contradict that. Per Oryx: 3x Leopard 2A6 (1 destroyed, 2x abandoned) 4x M2 Bradley (abandoned) 1x VAB APC (abandoned) 1x Oshkosh M-ATV MRAP (abandoned) More losses will be added tonight (including ~six more M2 Bradleys). Who knows how many other vehicles actually managed to get away. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:18:37 PM EDT
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One versus how many Russian tanks?
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:20:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm all good with knowing tanks, IFVs are going to be destroyed. But at least do so using proper doctrine. Rolling down the road, in broad daylight, closely packed together is not going to cut it. That’s how the ukes trashed the Russian armor the first week You’d think they would know |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:20:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryIt does, but it's still better than most armored vehicles on the planet, including tanks. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:21:00 PM EDT
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What do they care? The West will give them more.
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:23:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Our pathetic leaders are not willing to do what it takes to win and will have battalion after battalion laid to waste against an inferior enemy who is unleashed. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm all good with knowing tanks, IFVs are going to be destroyed. But at least do so using proper doctrine. Rolling down the road, in broad daylight, closely packed together is not going to cut it. It doesn't look good, but when you are getting missiles thrown at you from 10km away, nothing looks good. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1451hru/ru_pov_ka52_hits_and_destroys_active_ukrainian/ |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:27:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't look good, but when you are getting missiles thrown at you from 10km away, nothing looks good. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1451hru/ru_pov_ka52_hits_and_destroys_active_ukrainian/ Speed can be a type of security |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't look good, but when you are getting missiles thrown at you from 10km away, nothing looks good. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1451hru/ru_pov_ka52_hits_and_destroys_active_ukrainian/ They're doing exactly what the Russians were doing that we make fun of. Just sending armor down the road with no supporting arms. They could easily have had MANPADs, Gepards, BUKs and and such to deal with aerial threats. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:37:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet Lol |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They used their best armor for an unmanned probing attack? Bullshit. even Ukrainians don't believe that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet Bullshit. even Ukrainians don't believe that. Word is those are fake pictures ?? |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:39:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't look good, but when you are getting missiles thrown at you from 10km away, nothing looks good. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1451hru/ru_pov_ka52_hits_and_destroys_active_ukrainian/ Scary Stuff right there. I am guessing the anti air capability of the Ukrainian advancing force is somewhere between subpar to nonexistent. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:41:04 PM EDT
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They destroyed a whole column that was reported to have had several Leopard tanks
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet  https://www.reddit.com/gallery/14565jo |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:41:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is those are fake pictures |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:41:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck with that. Tank on tank battles are largely a thing of the past. You just get blown away from artillery or air power. Contrary to popular belief, that's predominantly how it happened in WW1 and WW2 as well... World of Tanks is the only place where tanks fight tanks. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:42:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They used their best armor for an unmanned probing attack? Bullshit. even Ukrainians don't believe that. lol lmao even yeah remote controlled leopard 2a6 |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:43:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scary Stuff right there. I am guessing the anti air capability of the Ukrainian advancing force is somewhere between subpar to nonexistent. It looks like they were counting on their drone capability for air cover, which appears to have been neutralized by Russia's electronic warfare. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:44:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They didn't How do you know? @crandall2001 |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When is this going to end?? It will go on for another year. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:45:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet Uhhh no. I hope Ukraine figures this out and busts through Russia’s 3rd wall. But Bradley’s, leopards and m113’s stacked up nuts to butts? That’s poor tactics and trying to say they’re remote drones is some serious copium. They’ll get this figured out eventually and start having success |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:45:39 PM EDT
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Even a blind hog can find an acorn sometimes.
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:46:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One versus how many Russian tanks? Oryx has tallied photographic proof of 2000 Russian tanks lost |
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