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Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:49:26 PM EST
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Don't forget to disable the black box in the car also.
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How w/out disabling the car?   I know nothing about the mysteries of modern automobiles.

Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:49:38 PM EST
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but, but, but, how are we expected to communicate?


I have to wonder if a phone was stuck in a Faraday cage would the GPS still work?
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My takeaway is if someone needs to take care of business, don't do it with a gps enabled device near you.


This bears repeating in this specific day and age...

but, but, but, how are we expected to communicate?


I have to wonder if a phone was stuck in a Faraday cage would the GPS still work?

No, but a Librem 5 allows you to physically disconnect the cell antenna (or bluetooth, etc)
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:50:15 PM EST
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That would be hilarious. Hell, drop off a bunch of mountain lions While you’re at it.
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Tranq darts, trailer cage, relocate to Golden Gate Park or Sacramento State House.

That would be hilarious. Hell, drop off a bunch of mountain lions While you’re at it.

Awesome.  Chain the doors shut afterwards.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:51:21 PM EST
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How the fuck have we gotten to the point that you can be raided because your cell phone pinged a tower?
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:51:33 PM EST
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Our legislators gave a big FU to the fed earlier this year and increased the bag limit from 15 to 30 gray wolves. Trap or shoot one just get another tag....
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30 is a lot of wooves.

Tannerite, perhaps?
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:51:46 PM EST
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That Nat Geo show about California game wardens is fucking disgusting
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:53:22 PM EST
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That would be hilarious. Hell, drop off a bunch of mountain lions While you’re at it.
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Tranq darts, trailer cage, relocate to Golden Gate Park or Sacramento State House.

That would be hilarious. Hell, drop off a bunch of mountain lions While you’re at it.

Mountain lions in heat, too.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:54:23 PM EST
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How the fuck have we gotten to the point that you can be raided because your cell phone pinged a tower?
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or just stopped at an intersection where a criminal's phone *might* be

https://www.westword.com/news/photos-aurora-cops-illegally-detained-dozens-while-searching-for-bank-robber-lawsuit-claims-5898713
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Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:57:09 PM EST
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F*ck wolves.

Remember to leave your cell phones at home.  Drive an older truck that doesn't have GPS either.
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GPS is passive.

The government will go to great lengths to harass, intimidate, bankrupt, and just generally fuck with people who really aren't doing anything wrong.

(while watching savages riot and burn honest businesses, and calling it a "demonstration")
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:57:45 PM EST
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Sounds like SSS needs to be amended to use bullets with less chance of being ballisticslly matched.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 4:58:53 PM EST
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Awesome.  Chain the doors shut afterwards.
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Tranq darts, trailer cage, relocate to Golden Gate Park or Sacramento State House.

That would be hilarious. Hell, drop off a bunch of mountain lions While you’re at it.

Awesome.  Chain the doors shut afterwards.


Needs more grizzly.  Grizzly were native to the SF Bay Area- time to bring them back!
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:04:25 PM EST
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Load a lot of cheap, common bullets - like remington core-lokt for example.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:05:58 PM EST
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Being a 6th generation anything doesn’t absolve you of shit. Story is poorly worded and designed to rabble rouse. ZFG for the Wolf, the rancher or California.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:06:46 PM EST
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The Gov will do more to put someone in jail over a dead wolf feeding on livestock than people actually stealing and harming from other humans.

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And they will continue to do so until fucking with decent citizens proves to be more dangerous than dealing with criminals.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:08:46 PM EST
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Needs more grizzly.  Grizzly were native to the SF Bay Area- time to bring them back!
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Tranq darts, trailer cage, relocate to Golden Gate Park or Sacramento State House.

That would be hilarious. Hell, drop off a bunch of mountain lions While you’re at it.

Awesome.  Chain the doors shut afterwards.


Needs more grizzly.  Grizzly were native to the SF Bay Area- time to bring them back!



They want to commune with nature, they should get their fill of it.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:14:34 PM EST
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Maybe someone else here has some insight for me, but very high velocity rifle bullet I’ve recovered from an animal was so destroyed “ballistic” information would have been impossible to recover.

Combine that with the fact that if a bullet was intact enough to provide info it would have been a through and through and recovering it would be next to impossible in a meadow.

I think the fish cops watch too much CSI and where hoping the ranchers do too.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:19:01 PM EST
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Maybe someone else here has some insight for me, but very high velocity rifle bullet I’ve recovered from an animal was so destroyed “ballistic” information would have been impossible to recover.

Combine that with the fact that if a bullet was intact enough to provide info it would have been a through and through and recovering it would be next to impossible in a meadow.

I think the fish cops watch too much CSI and where hoping the ranchers do too.
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Per my conversation with state crime lab employees, the matching they do is with casings, typically.

And ARs are so nearly identical they can’t tell the brass from one gun to another...

Sometimes statements are made to possibly coerce or encourage a confession.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:20:12 PM EST
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A dog attacking livestock should be shot on sight by anyone with sense, and I doubt they'd get close enough to identify the exact species. What a stupid government.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:21:30 PM EST
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The Gov will do more to put someone in jail over a dead wolf feeding on livestock than people actually stealing and harming from other humans.

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Cops are assholes. Game wardens are fucking cunts.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:21:43 PM EST
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Needs more grizzly.  Grizzly were native to the SF Bay Area- time to bring them back!
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We can't do that, the bears would shit in the streets!
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:22:26 PM EST
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Per my conversation with state crime lab employees, the matching they do is with casings, typically.

And ARs are so nearly identical they can’t tell the brass from one gun to another...

Sometimes statements are made to possibly coerce or encourage a confession.
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Maybe someone else here has some insight for me, but very high velocity rifle bullet I’ve recovered from an animal was so destroyed “ballistic” information would have been impossible to recover.

Combine that with the fact that if a bullet was intact enough to provide info it would have been a through and through and recovering it would be next to impossible in a meadow.

I think the fish cops watch too much CSI and where hoping the ranchers do too.

Per my conversation with state crime lab employees, the matching they do is with casings, typically.

And ARs are so nearly identical they can’t tell the brass from one gun to another...

Sometimes statements are made to possibly coerce or encourage a confession.

Exactly my thought. Rancher was pretty savvy if he did off the wolf
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:26:04 PM EST
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Lesson learned when you're shooting a wolf don't have your cell phone on you
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 5:50:42 PM EST
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Maybe someone else here has some insight for me, but very high velocity rifle bullet I’ve recovered from an animal was so destroyed “ballistic” information would have been impossible to recover.

Combine that with the fact that if a bullet was intact enough to provide info it would have been a through and through and recovering it would be next to impossible in a meadow.

I think the fish cops watch too much CSI and where hoping the ranchers do too.
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Probably true, but if The First 48 has taught me anything, it is half the crimes in the US are resolved by police bluffing with suspects.  This time they got somebody who knew enough to keep his mouth shut.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 6:59:47 PM EST
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GPS didn't matter. They went after him because his phone pinged local cell towers.
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Which is entertaining because they assumed it was because killed a wolf, instead of as a farmer checking on his dead calf..
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 7:12:24 PM EST
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Yep. Used to deal with asshoe hippies regarding logging in these parts. They have no clue as to how forest management works.
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This is the culmination of policies made by shit head urban hippies who have never traveled outside the Whole Foods in the lgbtwtfbbq part of town, forcing their will on folks who work for a living.

Disturbing and disgusting


Yep. Used to deal with asshoe hippies regarding logging in these parts. They have no clue as to how forest management works.



The world's forests did just fine for millions of years without mankind's bullshit and "management"
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 7:47:21 PM EST
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Read the search warrant affidavit. Very interesting approach the fish cops took. Homicide level of broad strokes, like asking Google to tell them the number of Android devices in the area.

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20422614-home-search#document/p15/a2008680
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 8:12:36 PM EST
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Which is entertaining because they assumed it was because killed a wolf, instead of as a farmer checking on his dead calf..
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"All you have to do is prove that you didn't shoot the wolf and you will be free to go."

"Hey, I'm trying to help you out here, we both know what wolves do to livestock."

The guy got lucky.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 10:31:36 PM EST
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but, but, but, how are we expected to communicate?


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Your phone isn't transmitting to the GPS satellites.  It's receiving from them.  They didn't use GPS to figure out where he had been.  His phone transmitted to cell towers.  That's what cell phones do.  Those transmissions were used to tell where he had been.  They could do this without having access to his phone.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 10:45:14 PM EST
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" The pings indicated that Gagnon had been nearby within minutes of the wolf’s collar sending out “a mortality signal” to the biologists tracking its movements."

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Kharn
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 10:53:00 PM EST
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I know a guy who was shooting 30 or more a year. Fuck wolves
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 11:40:30 PM EST
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Kalif DF&G SWAT team, hands off the king's fish
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"An endangered wolf was shot to death in California. Then the armed agents showed up | The Sacramento Bee"
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...At least seven California game wardens wearing bulletproof vests and sidearms drove into Big Valley, past alfalfa fields and cattle pastures. Their pickups crunched along a dirt road before turning onto a ranch.

Carrying a warrant, the wardens searched three homes at the property.

Before they left that day in August 2019, the wardens interrogated a young man, a sixth-generation rancher with close ties to other farming families in this part of Lassen and Modoc counties.

The wardens asked him if he’d shot and killed a wolf. In the days before the wolf died in December 2018, it had been spotted feeding on a calf that had died in a rancher’s pasture.

The wardens thought they had their suspect.

Nine months earlier, 23-year-old Brett Gagnon’s mobile phone had sent signals to local cell towers, putting him near the location where the wolf, which carried a GPS collar, had been shot and killed in a forested meadow 150 yards off a desolate country road. The pings indicated that Gagnon had been nearby within minutes of the wolf’s collar sending out “a mortality signal” to the biologists tracking its movements.

During the raid, the wardens seized just one gun, a .223 rifle, with a caliber that was the same as the bullet found in the wolf’s carcass. They took two unfired .223 rounds, Gagnon’s phone and his computer.

Gagnon was possibly facing jail time and tens of thousands of dollars in fines for killing a wolf protected under state and federal endangered species laws.

But the investigation began to unravel.

During an interrogation, Gagnon insisted he didn’t kill the wolf, though his family — like so many in this part of the state — has no love for the predators that began to move back into far Northern California nine years ago.

The wardens found no evidence in Gagnon’s text messages or his photographs that he’d shot the wolf. And when the ballistics on the bullet came back, the round in the wolf’s carcass wasn’t fired from the gun that the wardens took.

A year and a half later, the case remains under investigation, and Gagnon remains a free man. Despite rewards of $7,500, the wolf’s shooter remains at large.

The wardens’ show of force ratcheted up tensions between local ranchers and California’s wildlife agency. To the ranchers, the raid was a sign that the state was willing to go to any length to send a message that wolves are more important than the local families trying to make a living on the soil that sticks in their boot cleats.

“They desperately want to make an example out of someone, in my opinion,” said local rancher Aaron Albaugh, a Lassen County supervisor who is friends with Gagnon’s family.

The game wardens, however, say they were following where the evidence took them, as they sought to enforce wildlife-protection laws that are widely popular in California.

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Good. Screw’em. The BATFE and Game Wardens are the only two form of LE I have a natural distain for. They’re one in the same....bottom of the barrel folks who can’t cut it in “real” LE. They are happy to make examples of good people in order to quench the kings thirst for punishing anyone who disagrees with them.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 11:51:03 PM EST
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Kalif DF&G SWAT team, hands off the king's fish
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"An endangered wolf was shot to death in California. Then the armed agents showed up | The Sacramento Bee"
https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article247380032.html#storylink=mainstage_lead

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...At least seven California game wardens wearing bulletproof vests and sidearms drove into Big Valley, past alfalfa fields and cattle pastures. Their pickups crunched along a dirt road before turning onto a ranch.

Carrying a warrant, the wardens searched three homes at the property.

Before they left that day in August 2019, the wardens interrogated a young man, a sixth-generation rancher with close ties to other farming families in this part of Lassen and Modoc counties.

The wardens asked him if he’d shot and killed a wolf. In the days before the wolf died in December 2018, it had been spotted feeding on a calf that had died in a rancher’s pasture.

The wardens thought they had their suspect.

Nine months earlier, 23-year-old Brett Gagnon’s mobile phone had sent signals to local cell towers, putting him near the location where the wolf, which carried a GPS collar, had been shot and killed in a forested meadow 150 yards off a desolate country road. The pings indicated that Gagnon had been nearby within minutes of the wolf’s collar sending out “a mortality signal” to the biologists tracking its movements.

During the raid, the wardens seized just one gun, a .223 rifle, with a caliber that was the same as the bullet found in the wolf’s carcass. They took two unfired .223 rounds, Gagnon’s phone and his computer.

Gagnon was possibly facing jail time and tens of thousands of dollars in fines for killing a wolf protected under state and federal endangered species laws.

But the investigation began to unravel.

During an interrogation, Gagnon insisted he didn’t kill the wolf, though his family — like so many in this part of the state — has no love for the predators that began to move back into far Northern California nine years ago.

The wardens found no evidence in Gagnon’s text messages or his photographs that he’d shot the wolf. And when the ballistics on the bullet came back, the round in the wolf’s carcass wasn’t fired from the gun that the wardens took.

A year and a half later, the case remains under investigation, and Gagnon remains a free man. Despite rewards of $7,500, the wolf’s shooter remains at large.

The wardens’ show of force ratcheted up tensions between local ranchers and California’s wildlife agency. To the ranchers, the raid was a sign that the state was willing to go to any length to send a message that wolves are more important than the local families trying to make a living on the soil that sticks in their boot cleats.

“They desperately want to make an example out of someone, in my opinion,” said local rancher Aaron Albaugh, a Lassen County supervisor who is friends with Gagnon’s family.

The game wardens, however, say they were following where the evidence took them, as they sought to enforce wildlife-protection laws that are widely popular in California.

“No matter if it’s a dead wolf or a dead deer, we take protecting California’s wildlife very seriously,” said Chief David Bess, California’s top officer at the Department of Fish and Wildlife. ...
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The guys should’ve shot a hobo or three.   Or maybe a restaurant owner.
Nobody in government would’ve cared about those deaths.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 11:58:15 PM EST
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Something something too bad 7 assholes with badges something something wolf shit.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 12:01:09 AM EST
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You can add, "Stealing elections" to that list as well
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 12:11:08 AM EST
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Which makes The Gov Illegitimate.
Please refer to The Declaration of Independence for more details.
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The Gov will do more to put someone in jail over a dead wolf feeding on livestock than people actually stealing and harming from other humans.


Which makes The Gov Illegitimate.
Please refer to The Declaration of Independence for more details.

A "Declaration of Independence" is worthless unless the people are willing to back it with force.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 12:15:50 AM EST
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F*cking libtuds voted to return them
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Coming soon to CO...

F*cking libtuds voted to return them


That's not going to go over very well in the parts of the state the wolves will actually be in.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 1:17:27 AM EST
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And use something that won't leave the bullet in the carcass.  Hypothetically speaking.
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Never shoot to kill one of them bastards. Aim low, and far back in the guts so they’ll run off somewhere else.



And use something that won't leave the bullet in the carcass.  Hypothetically speaking.


Hypothetically like a Barnes Varmint Grenade bullet?
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 10:32:22 AM EST
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Those might not be a good choice, as they will blow up on a rib, or any bone, so now you have a wolf with a large, shallow wound.

That's not what I would want.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 10:43:00 AM EST
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Free The Great State of Jefferson!!
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 11:04:36 AM EST
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They are pretty rare around here but I have seen them.

Quite a while back a friend was out after Coyotes with a group of people and they shot a Wolf, they ALL got loved tenderly by the MN DNR.

Game warden tried to help them out but it was no use.

Don't shoot the King's wolves.





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They are pretty rare around here but I have seen them.

Quite a while back a friend was out after Coyotes with a group of people and they shot a Wolf, they ALL got loved tenderly by the MN DNR.

Game warden tried to help them out but it was no use.

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S.S.S.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 11:43:12 AM EST
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This story shows how far our government will go to protect their bullshit feel good reintroduction of wolves into a ranching area. It also shows how many tools they have available. If we are ever to take this country back, we need countermeasures to the surveillance state.

The government and their fuckhead game warden apparatchik are the enemies of freedom.
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Claude Dallas? Is that you?
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Game wardens. Fish cops. Lol

Fukkem. What a bunch of assholes.

Garbage people.
Claude Dallas? Is that you?


I had to look that up. Heh
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 12:00:30 PM EST
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How the fuck have we gotten to the point that you can be raided because your cell phone pinged a tower?
or just stopped at an intersection where a criminal's phone *might* be

https://www.westword.com/news/photos-aurora-cops-illegally-detained-dozens-while-searching-for-bank-robber-lawsuit-claims-5898713
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I remember that.

They yanked people out of their cars at gun point.

They did not have a description of the guy who robbed the bank.

They gave a press convergence after that congratulating themselves.

Back the blue. Uh huh.
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They are pretty rare around here but I have seen them.

Quite a while back a friend was out after Coyotes with a group of people and they shot a Wolf, they ALL got loved tenderly by the MN DNR.

Game warden tried to help them out but it was no use.

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But thy are poachers. Right? Ive seen a bunch of folks post fuck poachers.
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Well, it's California, where a Nurse who uses the wrong Gender Pronoun is a felon, but a burglar a misdemenor.

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But thy are poachers. Right? Ive seen a bunch of folks post fuck poachers.
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They are pretty rare around here but I have seen them.

Quite a while back a friend was out after Coyotes with a group of people and they shot a Wolf, they ALL got loved tenderly by the MN DNR.

Game warden tried to help them out but it was no use.

Don't shoot the King's wolves.








But thy are poachers. Right? Ive seen a bunch of folks post fuck poachers.

Shooting predators isn't poaching.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 12:15:25 PM EST
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Story asside.....when you realize the Endangered Species Act (ESA) was NEVER about protecting the species but making it harder to develop or allow for industry expansion (I.e. logging). It all makes sense.

The ESA was simply the vehicle they used to stop and make it harder to develop undeveloped lands.
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Not in CA under current law, in other states yes it would.
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That's dumb. When I grew up in California any animal that messed with livestock was fair game to shoot.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 12:18:23 PM EST
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Jack boot thugs gonna jack boot thug.
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