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Posted: 2/26/2019 6:14:48 PM EDT
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If you're looking for confirmation bias from these experiments, where intelligent beings designed the conditions and introduced various types of single-celled organisms into the test parameters to see if simple organisms were affected by the presence of predatory organisms, what theory are you looking to confirm? 
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Posted: 2/26/2019 6:37:00 PM EDT
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage?
Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 6:51:01 PM EDT
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. 
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Posted: 2/26/2019 6:51:13 PM EDT
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^^^^ And that's how you do it. If you're gonna have doubts, at least do it in an intelligent manner. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's a somewhat extraordinary claim. I'm going to need: 1) Replication of the results from independent researchers. 2) Genetic analysis of the populations before and after the change to multi-cellular occurred. Did genetic mutation occur, or did the stresses merely activate existing genetic features not normally expressed? Science is supposed to be testable, so test these results further. Pretty cool though. When we can create unique lifeforms from scratch it will be a milestone of human achievement... and possibly our last if we aren't careful. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 7:03:09 PM EDT
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Because God. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 7:10:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/26/2019 7:31:09 PM EDT
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Talk about confirmation bias?
When all you have to go on is "This book is true because it says so right here on this page in this paragraph" then you don't really have much to go on. 
The evidence for creation is one book of fairy tales. The evidence for evolution will fill several very large libraries. I know which seems far more credible to me. The problem with some people is that they refuse to believe in something that they can't personally comprehend. This is where flat earthers and moon truthers and some strains of conspiracy nuts come from. Evolution is a very complex subject. To fully understand all the evidence for it you'd have to be quite well educated. Interestingly, those who have an extensive science based education almost NEVER side with creationism. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 7:39:29 PM EDT
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First NASA, now two universities.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/NASA-was-able-to-recreate-the-origins-of-life-and-the-results-are-shocking/5-2197688/?page=1 Both known for participation in the global warming hoax, are now trying to claim evolution? On the same day the senate fails to block infanticide? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-to-vote-on-born-alive-bill-to-protect-infants-who-survive-a-failed-abortion Idk. cell crap is over my head, but this smells swampy. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:18:17 PM EDT
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:22:39 PM EDT
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^^^^ And that's how you do it. If you're gonna have doubts, at least do it in an intelligent manner. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:27:00 PM EDT
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So in other words, they clumped together to avoid predation? And this is supposedly new?
And this "multicellular organism" they found, does it function as a single unit? Or is it just a clump of cells which are less susceptible to phagocytosis? This is what you would call a "sensationalist" headline. We've known for decades that many species of microorganisms can do this when stressed, but I guess if you call it "evolution in action" it gets more clicks nowadays. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:27:06 PM EDT
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That used to be called academic rigor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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^^^^ And that's how you do it. If you're gonna have doubts, at least do it in an intelligent manner. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:29:47 PM EDT
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God did it. He looked down into that test tube and wanted to save some of the single celled creatures. So he said, "let them be multi-celled so as to defeateth thy single celled enemies." And it was so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BULLSHIT! And it was so. And then, after another 600 million years it evolved into a monkey's testicle. And then it was so.. 
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:32:08 PM EDT
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I had been planning on going back to school nest year to get my MA in history just for my own edification, but I'm really considering getting a BS/MS in biology just because I'm fascinated by this stuff. 
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:35:59 PM EDT
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I had been planning on going back to school nest year to get my MA in history just for my own edification, but I'm really considering getting a BS/MS in biology just because I'm fascinated by this stuff. MA in history is fun and interesting but the utility is marginal unless you are an educator. Studying Life sciences will be a cool and fascinating adventure with more practical applications. ETA: Even if for your own edification, I would probably choose the more versatile course of study. Just in case. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:40:10 PM EDT
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RNA is a helluva tool.
DNA is a helluva storage unit. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:41:23 PM EDT
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In other words," Let Them multiply and divide." And then, after another 600 million years it evolved into a monkey's testicle. And then it was so.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BULLSHIT! And it was so. And then, after another 600 million years it evolved into a monkey's testicle. And then it was so.. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:56:28 PM EDT
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Typically, isolated pockets of a species experience strong enough selection pressure to evolve into something else. Not the species as a whole. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 12:04:32 AM EDT
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Sounds like an interesting article, looking forward to reading it fully.
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Typically, isolated pockets of a species experience strong enough selection pressure to evolve into something else. Not the species as a whole. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. 
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Posted: 2/27/2019 12:09:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). So much in fact we know WAY more about evolution than we do gravity. But here is a direct refute to your point and fossils are only a small part of the evidence we have for evolution. The DNA is a slam-dunk. https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaenamontanari/2015/11/17/four-famous-transitional-fossils-that-support-evolution/#1b920d152d8d |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 12:11:43 AM EDT
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You can watch evolution in 2 minutes right here.
 The Evolution of Bacteria on a “Mega-Plate” Petri Dish (Kishony Lab) |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 12:17:15 AM EDT
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I'd need to see evidence that the capability to form a multicellular unit wasn't already present the the algal genome before I'll buy this researcher witnessing the evolution of that capability in vitro in real time.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 12:29:13 AM EDT
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Unpossible! G-d did it to amuse herself & mess with them. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 12:46:00 AM EDT
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"In science, contradictory evidence makes one question the theory. In religion, contradictory evidence makes one question the evidence" ~Floyd Toole.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 1:04:26 AM EDT
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This is some racist shit.
Reparations are in order. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 7:29:13 AM EDT
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I wonder if ANY of the “nuh uh, god did it!” brigade read the article.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 7:32:00 AM EDT
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There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 8:16:53 AM EDT
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Evolution's just a theory man....
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Posted: 2/27/2019 8:18:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). It's anything but that. Rational estimates indicate that the conditions for fossil formation to BEGIN at any given point on earth occur only one day in 60,000 years. If you want to make a movie, that's a hell of a long time between frames. It's not going to show smooth motion and you're going to miss a great deal between frames. Trusting creation science is easy because it eliminates any need for you to apply your god-given brain to the problem. 
"HE did it! Now I don't have to study werdz no morez!" What a weak copout. 
Evidence of evolution is EVERYWHERE around us. Evidence of creation is in ONE book that declares itself to be the sole repository of truth. 
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Posted: 2/27/2019 8:28:11 AM EDT
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BULLSHIT! |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 8:36:40 AM EDT
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Playing with fire.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 8:44:35 AM EDT
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A casual MS in Biology just because? That's...impressive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had been planning on going back to school nest year to get my MA in history just for my own edification, but I'm really considering getting a BS/MS in biology just because I'm fascinated by this stuff. Is this s&g pursuit a free ride, or will student loans be involved? |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 8:47:16 AM EDT
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Yeah- I'm not to sure on this one and going to call BS. This just look like the cells grouped together and there has been 0 change in heritable traits at all. Therefore no evolution has taken place.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 8:58:03 AM EDT
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That's a somewhat extraordinary claim. I'm going to need: 1) Replication of the results from independent researchers. 2) Genetic analysis of the populations before and after the change to multi-cellular took place. Did genetic mutation occur, or did the stresses merely activate existing genetic features not normally expressed? |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:03:59 AM EDT
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Talk about confirmation bias? When all you have to go on is "This book is true because it says so right here on this page in this paragraph" then you don't really have much to go on.
The evidence for creation is one book of fairy tales. The evidence for evolution will fill several very large libraries. I know which seems far more credible to me. The problem with some people is that they refuse to believe in something that they can't personally comprehend. This is where flat earthers and moon truthers and some strains of conspiracy nuts come from. Evolution is a very complex subject. To fully understand all the evidence for it you'd have to be quite well educated. Interestingly, those who have an extensive science based education almost NEVER side with creationism. https://www.reasons.org/ |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:45:17 AM EDT
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The term is called "professional student", IIRC. Is this s&g pursuit a free ride, or will student loans be involved? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had been planning on going back to school nest year to get my MA in history just for my own edification, but I'm really considering getting a BS/MS in biology just because I'm fascinated by this stuff. Is this s&g pursuit a free ride, or will student loans be involved? |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:46:59 AM EDT
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I'm more interested in how things got from the first organic molecules to the first cell...
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:49:25 AM EDT
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So a living creature evolved into a more complex creature?
Call me when chemicals in a sterile environment turn into a single cell living organism. Then I'll be impressed. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:51:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:56:03 AM EDT
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Call me when chemicals in a sterile environment turn into a single cell living organism. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:58:48 AM EDT
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I'm just tagging this for the show.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 10:00:09 AM EDT
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The great failure in your thinking is that you assume the fossil record is continuous. It's anything but that. Rational estimates indicate that the conditions for fossil formation to BEGIN at any given point on earth occur only one day in 60,000 years. If you want to make a movie, that's a hell of a long time between frames. It's not going to show smooth motion and you're going to miss a great deal between frames. Trusting creation science is easy because it eliminates any need for you to apply your god-given brain to the problem.
"HE did it! Now I don't have to study werdz no morez!" What a weak copout.
Evidence of evolution is EVERYWHERE around us. Evidence of creation is in ONE book that declares itself to be the sole repository of truth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). It's anything but that. Rational estimates indicate that the conditions for fossil formation to BEGIN at any given point on earth occur only one day in 60,000 years. If you want to make a movie, that's a hell of a long time between frames. It's not going to show smooth motion and you're going to miss a great deal between frames. Trusting creation science is easy because it eliminates any need for you to apply your god-given brain to the problem.
"HE did it! Now I don't have to study werdz no morez!" What a weak copout.
Evidence of evolution is EVERYWHERE around us. Evidence of creation is in ONE book that declares itself to be the sole repository of truth. But we can't stop looking and that's what makes science so neat. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 10:03:42 AM EDT
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There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). Only an infinitesimal fraction of life will ever become one. To expect to find a sample of every single species as it transitions into a different one over countless generations is to expect far too much. With the fossil record we have though some very logical conclusions can be drawn. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 10:07:41 AM EDT
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Playing with fire. 
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Posted: 2/27/2019 10:16:58 AM EDT
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Atheist worship Darwin and Christopher Hitchens instead of Jesus.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 10:18:43 AM EDT
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Atheist worship Darwin and Christopher Hitchens instead of Jesus. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 10:19:14 AM EDT
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Atheist worship Darwin and Christopher Hitchens instead of Jesus. 
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Posted: 2/27/2019 10:27:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there some kind of newsletter that goes out that tells these people the improper way to pluralize -ist words? |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 10:30:38 AM EDT
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It's a dumbass word for dumbasses , I don't use it often unless I'm referring to dumbass-ists - sorry Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/27/2019 10:34:51 AM EDT
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It's always the same dumbass atheists vs the dumbass theists in these threads with a few insightful posts on each end.
Mostly it's just telling the other side "you're in the wrong line, dumbass." |
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