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Link Posted: 11/14/2018 2:57:01 PM EDT
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Please someone delete this stupid fke story thread
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:02:00 PM EDT
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So, just last week there was a long thread in GD illustrating that Nazi wwere left-wing.

But this modern neo-Nazi group was targeting left-wing politicians.

Has Nazi switched from left to right?
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:03:41 PM EDT
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Bet it was 2 boot camp washouts and 198 EU/DE undercovers.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:16:00 PM EDT
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I wonder if they were actually neo-Nazis. Fucking Jeb is right enough to be called a neo-Nazi by East German standards.
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This. Anyone who disagrees with the progressive liberal agenda gets branded a Nazi in an attempt to flat out black ball it.

In America, we tend to use the word racist more because of slavery 150 years ago.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:19:41 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:21:58 PM EDT
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We're all Nazis
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Are they really "nazis" or is that what they are painting them to be?

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We're all Nazis
If you believe in borders it's all it takes.

Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:22:25 PM EDT
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I am genuinely conflicted.

On one hand... you have Germany un-cucking itself....on the other hand... Nazis.
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Actually or just being called Nazis?  Big difference
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:23:47 PM EDT
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Reminds me of the fake Turkish coup which was used to purge non-Islamists from the Turkish military.  Fucking Merkel probably made the whole thing up.
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non-Islamists is a bit untrue. Government secularists were purged. Erdogan wants fundamentalists in charge.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:24:49 PM EDT
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So, just last week there was a long thread in GD illustrating that Nazi wwere left-wing.

But this modern neo-Nazi group was targeting left-wing politicians.

Has Nazi switched from left to right?
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No; the National Socialist German Worker's Party isn't far enough left for the commie control-left in power in many countries. Seriously.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:25:06 PM EDT
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Was this the group of Nazi's that has that secret Moon base?

Pretty sure I saw a documentary about that a while back.
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Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:27:22 PM EDT
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U-boats are supposed to sink.
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Loose lips sink the u boat.
U-boats are supposed to sink.
not intentionally for like forever.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:31:03 PM EDT
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Sounds like made-up deep state bullshit designed to allow for 'purges' of the less radical left members of the sad-sack remaining kraut military.
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Nailed it.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:31:29 PM EDT
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anybody who disagrees with international communism is automatically labelled a nazi
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This guy gets it.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:31:50 PM EDT
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Cool but sounds like bullshit to me.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:36:27 PM EDT
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Russian propaganda machine.

Hilarious that anyone takes this shit seriously.

And sad.
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OP has a long history of posting Pravda shit.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:36:56 PM EDT
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Does this mean Ann Margaret isn't coming?
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 3:41:43 PM EDT
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So, just last week there was a long thread in GD illustrating that Nazi wwere left-wing.

But this modern neo-Nazi group was targeting left-wing politicians.

Has Nazi switched from left to right?
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Leftists target other leftists all the time. historical. Jacobins v. Cordeliers.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 4:07:55 PM EDT
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A Brit tabloid reprinting Russian propaganda and soaked up by simpletons as truth
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 4:09:00 PM EDT
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Going with bull-shit
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Leaning toward THIS...
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 7:50:54 PM EDT
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So, just last week there was a long thread in GD illustrating that Nazi wwere left-wing.

But this modern neo-Nazi group was targeting left-wing politicians.

Has Nazi switched from left to right?
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Nope they have not. They have always been far right in virtually every respect except a rather nominal economic one, which itself is only marginally relevant in the american, and only the american, idiom.

But it is greatly amusing watching all of the postuirng here to try to pin everything negative which ever existed on “the enemy.” It is real, live mythmaking.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 10:23:12 PM EDT
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Nope they have not. They have always been far right in virtually every respect except a rather nominal economic one, which itself is only marginally relevant in the american, and only the american, idiom.

But it is greatly amusing watching all of the postuirng here to try to pin everything negative which ever existed on “the enemy.” It is real, live mythmaking.
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So, just last week there was a long thread in GD illustrating that Nazi wwere left-wing.

But this modern neo-Nazi group was targeting left-wing politicians.

Has Nazi switched from left to right?
Nope they have not. They have always been far right in virtually every respect except a rather nominal economic one, which itself is only marginally relevant in the american, and only the american, idiom.

But it is greatly amusing watching all of the postuirng here to try to pin everything negative which ever existed on “the enemy.” It is real, live mythmaking.
So there is Right wing socialism? A lot of talk about working class, social justice, socialism, common good, the state, capitalistic people (Jews), nationalizing public companies, the common weal, etc...

Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.

"Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Speech also known as "Why Are We Anti-Semites?" Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [1]

The common good before the individual good. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz)

“The Nazi 25-point Programme,” Hitler’s speech on party's program (February 24, 1920) in Munich, Germany. Nazi Ideology Before 1933: A Documentation, Barbara Miller Lane, ?Leila J. Rupp, introduction and translation, Manchester University Press (1978) p. 43.

Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism… How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist!

"Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [2]

Because it seems inseparable from the social idea and we do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice, and so we have joined forces with this knowledge.

"Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [3]

The Jews have shown real genius in profiting by politics. This capitalistic people, which was brought into existence by the unscrupulous exploitation of men, has understood how to get the leadership of the Fourth Estate into its own hands; and by acting both on the Right and on the Left it has its apostles in both camps. On the Right the Jew does his best to encourage all the evils there are to such an extent that the man of the people, poor devil, will be exasperated as much as possible— greed of money, unscrupulousness, hard- heartedness, abominable snobbishness. More and more Jews have wormed their way into our upper-class families; and the consequence has been that the ruling class has been alienated from its own people.

As quoted in A History of National Socialism, Konrad Heiden, Methuen & Company, LTD, London: UK, 1934, p. 58. Speech in April, 1922

At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it "National Socialist.' We said to ourselves that to be 'national' means above everything to act with a boundless and all-embracing love for the people and, if necessary, even to die for it. And similarly to be 'social' means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honorable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it.

Munich - Speech of April 12, 1922

Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.

Interview with George Sylvester Viereck, 1923

To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism. … the basic principle of my Party’s economic programme should be made perfectly clear and that is the principle of authority… the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me?… Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals any more; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.

Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard Calic, ed., “First Interview with Hitler, 4 May 1931,” Secret Conversations with Hitler: The Two Newly-Discovered 1931 Interviews, New York: John Day Co., 1971, pp. 31-33. Also published under the title Unmasked: Two Confidential Interviews with Hitler in 1931, published by Chatto & Windus in 1971

I will tolerate no opposition. We recognize only subordination – authority downwards and responsibility upwards. You just tell the German bourgeoisie that I shall be finished with them far quicker than I shall with marxism... When once the conservative forces in Germany realize that only I and my party can win the German proletariat over to the State and that no parliamentary games can be played with marxist parties, then Germany will be saved for all time, then we can found a German Peoples State.

Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard Calic, ed., “First Interview with Hitler,4 May 1931,” Secret Conversations with Hitler: The Two Newly-Discovered 1931 Interviews, New York: John Day Co., 1971, pp. 36-37. Also published under the title Unmasked: Two Confidential Interviews with Hitler in 1931 published by Chatto & Windus in 1971

What matters is to emphasize the fundamental idea in my party's economic program clearly; the idea of authority. I want the authority; I want everyone to keep the property he has acquired for himself according to the principle: ?'?Benefit to the community precedes benefit to the individual.?'? But the state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property.

In 1931, as quoted in Nazi Economics: Ideology, Theory, and Policy (1990), by Avraham Barkai, pp. 26–27

Over the last forty years the German bourgeoisie has been a lamentable failure; it has not given the German people a single leader; it will have to bow without gainsaying to the totality of my ideology… The bourgeoisie rules by intrigue, but it can have no foothold in my movement because we accept no Jews or Jewish accomplices into our Party.

Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard Calic, ed., “First Interview with Hitler, 4 May 1931,” Secret Conversations with Hitler: The Two Newly-Discovered 1931 Interviews, New York: John Day Co., 1971, p. 22. Also published under the title Unmasked: Two Confidential Interviews with Hitler in 1931, published by Chatto & Windus in 1971

…lift up your hearts and draw new faith from the resurrection of our people… Ultimately we shall live to see the kingdom of freedom, honour and social justice. Long live Germany!

Speech at the Lustgarten in Berlin, April 4, 1932. As quoted in Hitler's Berlin: Abused City, Thomas Friedrich, Yale University Press, 2012, p. 272.

A speech at the Siemens Dynamo Works in Berlin, (10 November 1933)
I have sympathy for Mr. Roosevelt, because he marches straight toward his objectives over Congress, lobbies and bureaucracy." Hitler went on to note that he was the sole leader in Europe who expressed "understanding of the methods and motives of President Roosevelt.

[5] New York Times 1934, as quoted from: Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography (1976) John Toland

Whenever I stand up for the German peasant, it is for the sake of the Volk. I have neither ancestral estate nor manor… I believe I am the only statesman in the world who does not have a bank account. I hold no stock, I have no shares in any companies. I do not draw any dividends.

As quoted in The Third Reich: A New History, Michael Burleigh, Hill and Wang, 2001, p. 246. Speech to the Krupp Locomotive factory workers in Essen, March 27, 1936.

I only acknowledge one nobility—that of labour.

Quoted in the Nazi Party official newspaper Völkischer Beobachter (Nov. 21, 1936), Richard Grunberger, The 12-year Reich: A Social History of Nazi Germany 1933–1945 (1971) p. 47.

There is a difference between the theoretical knowledge of socialism and the practical life of socialism. People are not born socialists, but must first be taught how to become them.

“German Volksgenossen!” Hitler’s opening speech at the new Winterhilfswerk, Deutschlandhalle, Berlin, October 5, 1937. Also quoted in The Third Reich: A New History by Michael Burleigh [7]

The main plank in the National Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute therefore the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood.

On National Socialism and World Relations, speech delivered by Hitler in the German Reichstag, (January 30, 1937). German translation published by H. Müller & Sohn in Berlin.

And numerous people whose families belong to the peasantry and working classes are now filling prominent positions in this National Socialist State. Some of them actually hold the highest offices in the leadership of the nation, as Cabinet Ministers, Reichsstatthalter and Gauleiter. But National Socialism always bears in mind the interests of the people as a whole and not the interests of one class or another. The National Socialist Revolution has not aimed at turning a privileged class into a class which will have no rights in the future. Its aim has been to grant equal rights to those social strata that hitherto were denied such rights.

Speech by Adolf Hitler, On National Socialism and World Relations, delivered in the German Reichstag, January 30, 1937. German translation published by H. Müller & Sohn in Berlin.

What is important is that our Volk overcomes the aggressor and hence wins a future for itself. In a few weeks, the National Socialist combat readiness must have transformed itself into a unity sworn unto life and death. And then the capitalist war agitators in England and its satellite states shall shortly realize what it means to have attacked Europe’s greatest Volk state without proper cause.

As quoted in Hitler: Speeches and Proclamations by Max Domarus

The creation of a socially just state, a model society that would continue to eradicate all social barriers.

Speech to workers at Berlin’s Rheinmetall-Borsig factory, Oct. 10, 1940. As quoted in, Hitler’s Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State, Götz Aly, New York: NY, Metropolitan Books (2007) p. 13. [10]

It is already war history how the German Armies defeated the legions of capitalism and plutocracy. After forty-five days this campaign in the West was equally and emphatically terminated.

Berlin: Hitler’s Order of the Day Calling for Invasion of Yugoslovia and Greece (April 6, 1941)

I, on the other hand, have tried for two decades to build a new socialist order in Germany, with a minimum of interference and without harming our productive capacity.

Hitler's “Barbarossa” Proclamation, (June 22, 1941) [11]

They bring in high earnings without work. One of these days I’ll sweep away this outrage and nationalize all corporations.

As quoted in Spandau: The Secret Diaries, Albert Speer, New York, NY, Pocket Books (1977) p. 84

A strong State will see that production is carried on in the national interests, and, if these interests are contravened, can proceed to expropriate the enterprise concerned and take over its administration.

As quoted in Hitler and I, Otto Strasser, Boston, MA, Houghton Mifflin Company (1940) pp. 113-114

I am a socialist, and a very different kind of socialist from your rich friend Reventlow. I was once an ordinary workingman… But your kind of socialism is nothing but Marxism.

As quoted in Hitler and I, Otto Strasser, Boston, MA, Houghton Mifflin Company (1940) p. 106

We shall banish want; we shall banish fear. The essence of National Socialism is human welfare. ... National Socialism is the revolution of the common man. Rooted in a fuller life for every German from childhood to old age, National Socialism means a new day of abundance at home and a better world order abroad.

As quoted in Men in Motion, Henry J. Taylor, Doubleday, Doran & Co., New York: NY, (1944) p. 59. Also quoted in As We Go Marching, John T. Flynn, The Ludwig von Mises Institute (2007) p. 154, first published 1944

Everyone was at one time a Social Democrat.

As quoted in Hitler: Sämtliche Aufzeichnungen 1905-1924, Eberhard Jäckel and Axel Kuhn, (editors) Stuttgart: Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt, 1980, p. 448

This German Volksgemeinschaft is truly practical socialism and therefore National Socialism in the best sense of the word. Here everyone is obligated to carry his load.

As quoted in Stagnation and Renewal in Social Policy: The Rise and Fall of Policy Regimes, editors: Martin Rein, Gøsta Esping-Andersen, and Lee Rainwater (1987) p. 63

Not long ago, an American magazine wrote that what was worst about National Socialism was its women. They said that National Socialism did more for women than any other nation. It improved their social position. It began to bring them together in tremendous organizations. It sent the women of the educated classes into the factories so that female workers could go on vacation, and so on. The paper concluded that the democracies could not imitate this.

As quoted in The Third Reich: A New History by Michael Burleigh, p. 2842

National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over.
As quoted in Hitler (1974) by Joachim C. Fest, p. 533
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 11:55:25 PM EDT
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So? All you are doing is rehashing arguments of denial.

Now explore the similarities. Particularly the current anti-auslander sentiment.
Link Posted: 11/15/2018 12:41:30 AM EDT
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The Nazis were neither left or right wing and it is supremely stupid into making them somehow one way or the other so that comparisons can be made to centrist American political groups.

More than anything,the Nazis were a cult who used whatever means we're both necessary and available. The Nazi economy was a mixture of kleptocracy,crony capitalism,socialism and a national pyramid scheme. That is neither left or right. I think we are all fairly aware of their view of eugenics and are aware of encouraging abortions among non-Aryans,very progressive of them,yes? Other than an Aryan woman having an abortion was a capital offense. Pick any facet and rather than being left or right the proper description of Nazi anything is more "fucked up". Using slave labor in your government owned missile factory isn't something many Democrats or Republicans are really into. You could do something like read what Nazis actually said about the matter,in which capitalism was a sickness brought about by greedy Jews and uhhhh Communism was also brought about by greedy Jews. I pause to remind everyone what the end goal of Lebensraum was going to be: happy agrarian Volkdeutsch villagers in far flung former Russia growing crops for the Reich,in short vassals feeding a planned economy...while Nazi cronies got rich.

This is why all the screaming of Nazis! Nazis! Nazis everywhere! is so incredibly stupid,it does nothing but serve to minimize what the Nazis were all about but so it goes I suppose.
Link Posted: 11/15/2018 12:44:23 AM EDT
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Sounds like made-up deep state bullshit designed to allow for 'purges' of the less radical left members of the sad-sack remaining kraut military.
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Link Posted: 11/15/2018 1:24:08 AM EDT
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Nvrmd
Link Posted: 11/15/2018 7:19:30 PM EDT
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So? All you are doing is rehashing arguments of denial.

Now explore the similarities. Particularly the current anti-auslander sentiment.
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That's a pretty fucking lazy way to not defend your position. I'm not surprised.
Link Posted: 11/15/2018 7:22:49 PM EDT
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The Nazis were neither left or right wing and it is supremely stupid into making them somehow one way or the other so that comparisons can be made to centrist American political groups.

More than anything,the Nazis were a cult who used whatever means we're both necessary and available. The Nazi economy was a mixture of kleptocracy,crony capitalism,socialism and a national pyramid scheme. That is neither left or right. I think we are all fairly aware of their view of eugenics and are aware of encouraging abortions among non-Aryans,very progressive of them,yes? Other than an Aryan woman having an abortion was a capital offense. Pick any facet and rather than being left or right the proper description of Nazi anything is more "fucked up". Using slave labor in your government owned missile factory isn't something many Democrats or Republicans are really into. You could do something like read what Nazis actually said about the matter,in which capitalism was a sickness brought about by greedy Jews and uhhhh Communism was also brought about by greedy Jews. I pause to remind everyone what the end goal of Lebensraum was going to be: happy agrarian Volkdeutsch villagers in far flung former Russia growing crops for the Reich,in short vassals feeding a planned economy...while Nazi cronies got rich.

This is why all the screaming of Nazis! Nazis! Nazis everywhere! is so incredibly stupid,it does nothing but serve to minimize what the Nazis were all about but so it goes I suppose.
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It's really not that hard. There were evil capitalist Jews on the right. Evil Bolshevik Jews on the Left. NSDAP was the tasty mushy moderate middle of wholesome socialism. Synergistic third way.
Link Posted: 11/15/2018 7:23:25 PM EDT
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