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Link Posted: 4/7/2019 9:55:52 PM EDT
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I haven't had this much fun on a Sunday night in a long time.

I got called a racist, so, threads over boys, I got a BINGO!
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Hey, it wasn't just Reese who went straight for the Shotgun,

Terminators in all four movies made straight for the Gauge!

Terminator I  https://1776patriotusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/gunsinmovies-spas12-terminator.jpg

Terminator II https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/53286a82eab8ea83074b5f35-750-375.jpg

Terminator III  http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/a/a8/T3-870-3.jpg/602px-T3-870-3.jpg

Terminator Genysis https://www.range365.com/sites/range365.com/files/styles/1000_1x_/public/images/2018/03/800px-t5arnold2.jpg?itok=-twGxGNE&fc=50,50

And even Pre-Tech Com Sgt. (the young Kyle Reese) had the good sense to go with a 12 gauge in Terminator Salvation  https://dygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net/i/14535/14845530_4.jpg?v=8CFA2E0DCBB5D90

Obviously, a Killer Cyborg from the Future created & programmed by the ulitmate intellegence knew what was up when it came to weaponry!  

Until I can get a Westinghouse Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 watt range, I'll stick with the shotgun for now.
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Yes, Hollywood writers are usually the muse of self defense advice.
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O he’s right. Single shots are all that matter because shotgunners don’t miss or ever have multiple assailants
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Don’t forget that every hit is an instant stop, regardless of location.  If the massive stopping power of the buckshot doesn’t get em, the IED like CNS disruption will!
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 9:56:42 PM EDT
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O he’s right. Single shots are all that matter because shotgunners don’t miss or ever have multiple assailants
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Reminds me of phrase for the "Curtiss LeMay" Thread...

Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:00:01 PM EDT
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Don’t forget that every hit is an instant stop, regardless of location.  If the massive stopping power of the buckshot doesn’t get em, the IED like CNS disruption will!
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But we have the legendary 5.56 stopping power.  Proven since 1965 when it hits some Charlie in the left leg and because it tumbles and such through his whole body, it exits and tears off his right arm ...

Use of Military grade 5.56 is a barbaric war crime since that cartridge tumbles in flight and does such grievous damage it should be banned by the Geneva Conventions - right?.  
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:01:29 PM EDT
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O he’s right. Single shots are all that matter because shotgunners don’t miss or ever have multiple assailants
Reminds me of phrase for the "Curtiss LeMay" Thread...

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-you-kill-enough-of-them-they-stop-fighting-curtis-lemay-57-95-41.jpg
And one is enough! ALWAYS!
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:01:40 PM EDT
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But yea, I'm sure they were TERRIFIED of shotguns.
Ahem......

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-awesome-trench-gun-terrified-germans-in-both-world-wars
My, what an unimpeachable source you've got there.

lol
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:02:28 PM EDT
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I haven't had this much fun on a Sunday night in a long time.

I called a racist, so, threads over boys, I got a BINGO!
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When did you get called a Racist?

I step away for a few minutes on a rainy evening to eat some dinner and I MISS the Big BINGO??   Damn life isn't fair!!
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:03:30 PM EDT
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Note that Reese immediately obtained a shotgun after that encounter.

Tac-Com knows what's up.

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Rusted Ace on a few too many colas & peeps...

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Note that Reese immediately obtained a shotgun after that encounter.

Tac-Com knows what's up.

Well, Reese had just gone through a portal.  He might have been in the Hitlerverse.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:03:38 PM EDT
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But we have the legendary 5.56 stopping power.  Proven since 1965 when it hits some Charlie in the left leg and because it tumbles and such through his whole body, it exits and tears off his right arm ...

Use of Military grade 5.56 is a barbaric war crime since that cartridge tumbles in flight and does such grievous damage it should be banned by the Geneva Conventions - right?.  
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You have a remarkable ability to string together completely unrelated, irrelevant bullshit.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:04:22 PM EDT
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Ooh, the Military channel.  I'm sure it's hugely noteworthy for its historical rigor and accuracy!

Get the fuck out with that hog shit.
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Make me.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:04:59 PM EDT
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I think in certain situations a shotgun is perfectly fine for HD. Those poo-pooing them 100% of the time are not doing it based on facts IMHO.
What do I use for HD? AR-15 in 5.56.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:06:42 PM EDT
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HUH? You alright? Eat something maybe!
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Good for you, good for your family history, my grandfather also fought over there.  All of which has nothing to do with what's being and been discussed.
HUH? You alright? Eat something maybe!
You're the one responding like an unhinged spastic, Princess.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:08:28 PM EDT
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Is it still 1918?

What is the date?.......... THE YEAR!?!
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You have all the answers turbo!
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:09:56 PM EDT
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This guy’s bumest homendefense option is obviously a black powder rifle. Look at them skills!
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:10:03 PM EDT
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I think in certain situations a shotgun is perfectly fine for HD. Those poo-pooing them 100% of the time are not doing it based on facts IMHO.
What do I use for HD? AR-15 in 5.56.
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Before this thread took a dive into an Olympic sized swimming pool full of salmon oil derp, it was said repeatedly by lots of us that a shotgun isn’t a bad choice.  It’s just also not the best choice, and it’s weird on a forum of people who theoretically own and use the best choice, that such a statement merits any controversy.
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And one is enough! ALWAYS!
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O he’s right. Single shots are all that matter because shotgunners don’t miss or ever have multiple assailants
Reminds me of phrase for the "Curtiss LeMay" Thread...

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-you-kill-enough-of-them-they-stop-fighting-curtis-lemay-57-95-41.jpg
And one is enough! ALWAYS!
If you kill the RIGHT ONE, then usually one is enough...

I loved that scene in Billy Jack, when he tells the Biker leader to let the girls go.

Biker leader says he and his gang will rush & kill Billy Jack.

Billy Jack counts "One... Two.... Three..."  then shoots the biker leader between the eyes.

Billy Jack turns to the Biker second in command and says "Now you are in charge - same deal..  One...  Two... "

Biker second in command shouts "Let them go!"...

Kill the Right One(s) and it takes the fight out of most "bad people"...
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:13:53 PM EDT
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Having a solid stock to aim with makes a huge difference in hitting things.
It was my truck gun for a while and fit well behind the seat.
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I was thinking behind the seat on the side X side for when the Ojibwa drink to much Lysol and inhale spray paint, fuckers get unruly.

Hey I got something for ya.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:16:14 PM EDT
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Shotguns: more effective than creeping barrage
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Good to see your coming around to our side. I hate creeps.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:17:04 PM EDT
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You have a remarkable ability to string together completely unrelated, irrelevant bullshit.
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But we have the legendary 5.56 stopping power.  Proven since 1965 when it hits some Charlie in the left leg and because it tumbles and such through his whole body, it exits and tears off his right arm ...

Use of Military grade 5.56 is a barbaric war crime since that cartridge tumbles in flight and does such grievous damage it should be banned by the Geneva Conventions - right?.  
You have a remarkable ability to string together completely unrelated, irrelevant bullshit.
Awe, you sore that I didn't respect the legendary 5.56 stopping power? come on now, the VFW posts are full of such stories...

Being able to "string bullshit" is something I know you'd recognize in the "takes one to know one" realm...

Come on now,  Here on ARFCOM that is like a SuperPower!
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:17:24 PM EDT
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Before this thread took a dive into an Olympic sized swimming pool full of salmon oil derp, it was said repeatedly by lots of us that a shotgun isn’t a bad choice.  It’s just also not the best choice, and it’s weird on a forum of people who theoretically own and use the best choice, that such a statement merits any controversy.
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I think in certain situations a shotgun is perfectly fine for HD. Those poo-pooing them 100% of the time are not doing it based on facts IMHO.
What do I use for HD? AR-15 in 5.56.
Before this thread took a dive into an Olympic sized swimming pool full of salmon oil derp, it was said repeatedly by lots of us that a shotgun isn’t a bad choice.  It’s just also not the best choice, and it’s weird on a forum of people who theoretically own and use the best choice, that such a statement merits any controversy.
Well, it IS GD.

Salmon oil derp. Heh. Good one.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:18:09 PM EDT
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I think there’s some salmon oil and peanut butter around here somewhere...
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Might shit peanuts. That smells like fish!
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:18:52 PM EDT
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I see buckshot, not a slug. Just saying...
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Meh. At 10 feet or less, tomato, tomato. The pattern of the shotgun may make more wound channels, but most 5.56 choices are going to yaw and fragment or expand (depending on bullet type) in the first few inches, and the permanent cavitation will be close to that of a slug or tight 12 ga pattern.

As an added bonus, since 5.56 is moving nearly 3x the speed, you get all that stretch of inelastic organs like the heart or liver that is still going to incapacitate the dude.

Theres actually a section on this website check full of writings from an MD as well as independant ballisticians that explains all this. It goes back about 15 years, which is why no one shows up to these threads trying to seriously explain this to people who are just delving into it.
5.56 is an excellent round, but you would have to be ignorant of physics to believe that it causes more damage than a 12 gauge slug.

12 gauge is 18.5mm

Slugs are about 400-500 grains

They move at 1400-1800 fps

You can pretend physics is not real but it is in fact I real.
awkward.

https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21881&d=1511525332
I see buckshot, not a slug. Just saying...
Do a search for "slow, inefficient rifle".
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:20:07 PM EDT
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That's how you win an argument.
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ya so there.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:20:34 PM EDT
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Because he doesn't know what he's talking about!
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In that case how did they justify prohibition of expanding ammunition?
Because he doesn't know what he's talking about!
"Hello, Dunning?  Krueger is on the line, would like to discuss a Ms. Suzie Dennyd."
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:23:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:26:37 PM EDT
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The common home invasion is a rip crew of three to five guys. Not one or two. A lone burglar doesn't typically hit occupied residence. A rip crew does and they use numbers to their advantage.
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Do not "rip crews" typically target dope  and stash houses?
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:27:25 PM EDT
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Nancy boys?

lol

You're funny.  Ignorant, somehow proud of it, but funny.

lol

Sure thing, Suzie.
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No need to butter me up Nancy. I knew a Suzie once. She liked my ignorant proud ass.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:27:58 PM EDT
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I heard Taylor Swift and zena warrior princess like the salmon oil.
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Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:29:14 PM EDT
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Awe, you sore that I didn't respect the legendary 5.56 stopping power? come on now, the VFW posts are full of such stories...

Being able to "string bullshit" is something I know you'd recognize in the "takes one to know one" realm...

Come on now,  Here on ARFCOM that is like a SuperPower!
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The problem is I haven’t said what you’re ascribing to me.  You’re strawmanning the hell out of this thread.

You just post some random drivel, counter that drivel you’ve decided I believe with some drivel of your own, make some movie references, then add some more derp.
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I thought the rest were going to be busy slip slip sliding away on the gore?

I guess the shotgun has several special features that make it so all fights end up just being one on one?

Do you need to lube it up with salmon oil first or what?
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Kill the Right One(s) and it takes the fight out of most "bad people"...
I thought the rest were going to be busy slip slip sliding away on the gore?

I guess the shotgun has several special features that make it so all fights end up just being one on one?

Do you need to lube it up with salmon oil first or what?
the point is very few homeowners are going to be house invaded by a horde of 50 Imperial Japanese Troops on a Banzai Charge, or 72 Al Queda Suicide Troops seeking virgins.

Most thugs quickly cut and run when they find the homeowners are not laydowns for their home take over plan.

Kill the leader and the rest scatter like roaches.

Kill the leader with a disintegrating shotgun blast, and the rest scatter like roaches with their draws full of poop...

Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:30:38 PM EDT
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After seeing this chart I am going with my Browning HP. 13 shots of wounding power.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:30:51 PM EDT
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No need to butter me up Nancy. I knew a Suzie once. She liked my ignorant proud ass.
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Riiight.

Don't you have some impotent fantasies about shooting drunk Indians to masturbate to?  Or are you going to wait until you see some before you whack it while watching them through your bitter tears?
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I heard Taylor Swift and zena warrior princess like the salmon oil.
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I heard that Taylor Swifts does smell "pretty fishy", so maybe there is some truth to this.

But don't you DARE going dragging Lucy Lawless into this sick & twisted fish fetish frenzy...

Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:35:55 PM EDT
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You're the one responding like an unhinged spastic, Princess.
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Oh stop you're making me wet.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:36:57 PM EDT
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I was being facetious. That's like saying "silly".
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ya so there.
I was being facetious. That's like saying "silly".
Phonetic is ‘fo tend’
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:39:12 PM EDT
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I heard Taylor Swift and zena warrior princess like the salmon oil.
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I thought the rest were going to be busy slip slip sliding away on the gore?

I guess the shotgun has several special features that make it so all fights end up just being one on one?

Do you need to lube it up with salmon oil first or what?
I heard Taylor Swift and zena warrior princess like the salmon oil.
Ok, I’m off the road. I’m getting ready for what I know is next.
Link Posted: 4/7/2019 10:39:20 PM EDT
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Link to disintegration rounds?
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Kill the leader with a disintegrating shotgun blast, [/url]
Link to disintegration rounds?


We've just been Bull Shitting about using plain lead slugs or Buckshot.

We haven't even scratched the surface into Explosive Slugs or other exotics...
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WW will have her 177 clutched between her ample breast, her hands white knuckled around the fore end and buffer tube. Joan Jett slings her colt commando across her back and she rotates her fingers between WWs nether lips.
"Ready for the Cherry Bomb, baby?" Growls Joan, adding yet another finger to the dripping cauldron bwteen the amazons toned thighs.
Wonder Woman knew she had finally found her super friend.
And now they can make things even better with salmon oil!
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I’ll kill em with a shotgun or a carbine.  If either fails Ill transition to pistol...
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Goddamnit I’m gonna be busy making salmon oil tomorrow.
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