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Posted: 3/7/2023 1:08:16 AM EDT
Starting this thread because my 11 year old son asked me why The Russians and Ukrainians are wearing American Camo. I thought it was a good question and one I noticed, but really hadn’t thought about.
I was a 19D from 08-12 (Garry Owen)! Way back in The UCP Days. (Which everyone hated, but myself and those in my platoon who found it quite effective in the Light snow covered, Mountains of AFG. In Iraq I could see why our guys stood out like a road flare. (We actually got a uniform called ‘Delta’ UCP which had a burnt orange pixels thrown in. Looked cool. On 02/24/22 Ukraine had A unique Brown/Light Grey/Tan/Dark Grey Digital Design similar to UCP but better. I like the pattern. Russia came in swinging with the Ratnik/Digital Flora Micro Pattern. As time passed, Ratnik along with Modern kit started getting mixed in with older Russian and Soviet designs. By Summer/Fall Ukrainians started wearing Multicam, around the same time Russian soldiers did as well. So as of a year and 10 Days in, I’m seeing both sides primarily using Multicam (However I do still see some Ukrainians in the Digital Pattern. (As a bystander i appreciate the colored tape). Oddly enough I’ve seen UCP show up over the winter. Real deal U.S. UCP not the Ukrainian Digital, which is similar but different. I’ve seen everyone from the Taliban, Iranians, Chinese and Russians wearing Multicam. I don’t like it. Since adoption, the pattern has spread like wildfire. I used to think M81 Woodland was Global. Its reach pales in comparison to Multicam. Should the US Army consider a change in camo to match possible future A/O’s and do what Canada does with CADPAT. (Basically make it vaporware unless issued to a member of the Canadian Military) That would however put a financial dent in companies who don’t have GOV Contracts but make good, Berry Compliant and usually better than issued gear but rely on profits from Civilian Sales in a big way. |
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If it's something new that works better it will probably be worn by Ukranians and Russians alike within a few months.
It does seem weird watching footage of them fighting each other with both sides sometimes looking straight up like American soldiers |
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With today's technology, if a photo of a new pattern gets out it can be copied and on the market in a week. If something better comes up change. But if changing only because some body else has something similar don't waste the money and time to develop it. |
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Oh goodie. Another ten year, multi billion dollar research project to get us something 90% the same as what we have…
Youngest daughter just bought some used ACU pants at Goodwill for four dollars. Have the A1C’s name in them. |
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There was a time where nearly everyone wore fatigues. Perhaps fewer, but still a "lot" wore something that looked a lot like woodland.
Its the nature of things. |
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Yes. We should go to rainbow uniforms to support the trannys and gays. Or all black so we are not racist. That should please the only people that matter to the media, democrats, and military higher ops.
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The US army should adopt some variants of flecktarn, an arid and a woodland. When will they get into a war with Germany again?
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I own too much Crye G4 now, I don't want to have to rebuy it. Oh wait, I was issued it... Haha, poors, NEVERMIND.
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Quoted: They could go Norkish and totally disappear. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/291771/Screenshot_20221214-174722_2_png-2736986.JPG View Quote |
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Anybody got a link to a good site to shop various camo patterns?
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Yes. I think we also need to change the pinks and greens too. It’s been like 2 whole years.
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Caleb Crye of Crye precision is a fucken retard who just couldn't be bothered to protect multicam.
He had some ideas to improve it and make it better.....but alas Greg Thompson the other guy of Crye precision DID have good ideas. But alas..when I attended their shot show parties......one of the reps. told me that they will ride and milk the multicam forever. |
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That pattern has been around since like 2003...?
Army didn't want it. Free for all. Personally, I like ATACs, both uniforms based on ops. |
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Quoted: That pattern has been around since like 2003...? Army didn't want it. Free for all. Personally, I like ATACs, both uniforms based on ops. View Quote Right there with you. ATACS AU is my favorite. I like Macro patterns. In the Summer i wear the pants, grey shirts, Ranger Green Chest Rig and ATACS Boonie/Helmet. Same combo works great in Winter. Grey is a color that work’s really well to absorb/reflect colors and breakup one solid camo silhouette. |
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Quoted: Right there with you. ATACS AU is my favorite. I like Macro patterns. In the Summer i wear the pants, grey shirts, Ranger Green Chest Rig and ATACS Boonie/Helmet. Same combo works great in Winter. Grey is a color that work’s really well to absorb/reflect colors and breakup one solid camo silhouette. View Quote I could have sworn I saw the Chechens wearing a version of ATACS. |
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Quoted: Right there with you. ATACS AU is my favorite. I like Macro patterns. In the Summer i wear the pants, grey shirts, Ranger Green Chest Rig and ATACS Boonie/Helmet. Same combo works great in Winter. Grey is a color that work’s really well to absorb/reflect colors and breakup one solid camo silhouette. View Quote The damn Russians/Chechens stole ATACS as well. Attached File |
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This camo was worn by a Russian in a recent documentary I watched on YouTube. He was a truck driver that moonlighted as a game warden. The jacket he has on has USArmy on it and Airborne patch on the right sleeve. The vest, I’m not sure about either. Is the jacket some kind of novelty knock off? Attached File
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Thank God it’s just the ATACS FG.
No AU. I’m good ???? Speaking of new Uniforms, the Canadians have a new CADPAT color: https://strikehold.net/2021/04/05/canadian-defence-forces-adopt-new-camouflage-pattern/ |
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View Quote Welcome back. |
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Quoted: If it's something new that works better it will probably be worn by Ukranians and Russians alike within a few months. It does seem weird watching footage of them fighting each other with both sides sometimes looking straight up like American soldiers View Quote So much tor ITAR. Oh, thats right, only WE can’t sell shit WE made to them. |
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Deer brown/tan camo is the best camo.
The animals can be 50 feet away and until they move they're invisible. |
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View Quote Tiger stripe FTW |
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In the Republic of Ireland - they made it illegal for civilians to wear Irish pattern DPM clothing.
They do not sell surplus Irish Army uniform - destroying it instead. You can buy it from Arktis in UK but not wear it in Ireland. I believe the legislation was aimed at IRA impersonation of Irish Army troops ( they used to infiltrate FCA training grounds and steal weapons) |
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