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Posted: 1/29/2021 12:01:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First post. But for some reason I believe him. Yeah, I don't get the feeling he's wrong either. Too many people think because their secret squirrel buddies think its good to go, that it's really good to go. Never doubt the reach of our uncle. That son of a bitch knows everything you don't keep to yourself. I'm sure he is getting close to or can already read your thoughts too. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 12:09:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: why does anyone think that these "secure" messaging apps are even secure?? NSA, CIA and others have 100 percent access to them.. heck they prob even fund the apps. Signal is a tool. Just like owning a gun doesn't make you a JSOC operator, using signal doesn't make your comms automatically secure. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 12:10:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I don't get the feeling he's wrong either. Too many people think because their secret squirrel buddies think its good to go, that it's really good to go. Never doubt the reach of our uncle. That son of a bitch knows everything you don't keep to yourself. I'm sure he is getting close to or can already read your thoughts too.  |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 12:19:42 AM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your post is exactly what they want you to think. ;) The encryption available to the public is no match for the Fed. You know why there was a shiat show for the Crapple phone unlocking, right? If the Fed simply went and did it they would be revealing a capability they don't want to divulge. Ask the question the other way, do you really think they can't? What's the purpose of that huge fed datacenter in Utah? Fed as in federal reserve? You have zero idea how end to end encryption works. If they dont have a virus or snooping software on your phone they need your physical phone to view content. There are no servers. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 12:22:15 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He also seems to know what I'm gonna write before I write it anyway. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/bf/6f/9fbf6f2d9d941401923231eb3f1d2886.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, I don't get the feeling he's wrong either. Too many people think because their secret squirrel buddies think its good to go, that it's really good to go. Never doubt the reach of our uncle. That son of a bitch knows everything you don't keep to yourself. I'm sure he is getting close to or can already read your thoughts too. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/bf/6f/9fbf6f2d9d941401923231eb3f1d2886.jpg Would not doubt it. Minority Report is truly coming to fruition before our eyes. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 12:23:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. If it's digital using the internet, it's like cutting soft butter with a hot knife for the Fed ! If you don't want to be spied on, gotta get off the internet. That’s why I only use analog transmissions when I’m on the Internet. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 12:31:21 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotcha. "trust me bro" Every single time. What do you mean? He’s been in “IT Security for a while”. ?? |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 2:01:20 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fed as in federal reserve? You have zero idea how end to end encryption works. If they dont have a virus or snooping software on your phone they need your physical phone to view content. There are no servers. Signal definitely has servers. Messages are routed through their servers. All the server should see is ciphertext though. It used to be possible to run a private Signal server, but I'm not sure if that's still an option. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 2:18:09 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I don't get the feeling he's wrong either. Too many people think because their secret squirrel buddies think its good to go, that it's really good to go. Never doubt the reach of our uncle. That son of a bitch knows everything you don't keep to yourself. I'm sure he is getting close to or can already read your thoughts too. If you get a bit of anxiety when you're running across a busy freeway, that's good. It's healthy. Anxiety, in that situation, is nature's way of keeping you from doing something stupid. If you get a bit of anxiety becaue the books on your bookshelf aren't perfectly lined up and you can't remember if you turned off the oven after checking it 16 times, that's not good. That's taking caution too far, to the point that it's interfering with your life. The latter is kind of what you're doing. Using caution when communicating digitally is a good idea. If, for example, you detail your plans to bomb Parliament on Nov 5th in writing, whether it's encrypted or not, you're a fucking idiot and you have earned whatever is coming your way. Use some caution--don't text your brother and say "I just bought twelve 30-round magazines in Albany", regardless of encryption. But, if you send an encrypted text that says "I just picked up a dozen jelly donuts", you might be able to convey the same information without writing anything incriminating down, and even if they break your encryption, they don't get anything of value. That said, once you go so far as to think the government is reading your thoughts, you're taking security and caution too far. At that point, you're ineffective, because you're convinced that whatever you do, say, or think, your adversary is going to know about it. That might be a useful way of thinking if you somehow wind up in a CIA black site, because at that point, they really might know everything. But all it's going to do for the average person is cripple him. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 2:31:55 AM EST
[#10]
There is no secrecy anymore.
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Posted: 1/29/2021 2:53:54 AM EST
[#11]
This is not true - you can use a one time pad, type the message into signal and send away.
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Posted: 1/29/2021 3:04:11 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP isn't wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not convinced by Mr. First Post's stunning mathematical analysis and security credentials. OP isn't wrong. Nope |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 3:10:03 AM EST
[#13]
I'm one of the people here that don't start out automatically disliking a new member, but damn, because of guys like this, I keep finding myself clicking on new peoples names to see if they're locked before I start reading the thread. Freaky how many are locked... then I read parts of the thread and am like wtf, ok now I see why the acct lock.
I never clicked the names first until a few months ago. Now I want to see if the person is locked before I read the thread lol. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 3:56:14 AM EST
[#14]
I think if I had to develop a packet on someone, just knowing they have something to hide could be just as valuable has knowing what said secret is.
Can you identify who is using Signal? Because in some cases that can be just as good as the message. If someone knows who you are, they can gather other Personally Identifiable Information that can help them reconstruct who you are. Your patterns and capabilities, known associates, web signature, family & friends, hobbies, etc., and build a clear picture about you from an ass backwards approach. I just don't think you are ever truly undetectable unless you are completely off the beaten path, and even then there is way more to it. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 6:16:34 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think if I had to develop a packet on someone, just knowing they have something to hide could be just as valuable has knowing what said secret is. Can you identify who is using Signal? Because in some cases that can be just as good as the message. If someone knows who you are, they can gather other Personally Identifiable Information that can help them reconstruct who you are. Your patterns and capabilities, known associates, web signature, family & friends, hobbies, etc., and build a clear picture about you from an ass backwards approach. I just don't think you are ever truly undetectable unless you are completely off the beaten path, and even then there is way more to it. All of this is correct "they" can get info about you without reading the messages. That's the largest complaint about Signal, the fact that it uses your real phone number as an identification |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 6:36:24 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All of this is correct "they" can get info about you without reading the messages. That's the largest complaint about Signal, the fact that it uses your real phone number as an identification Yes. It's not an anonymous messenger. That's not its goal however. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 7:11:25 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. It's not an anonymous messenger. That's not its goal however. Whats the point of encryption if they know the source and irregardless of the message, can begin targeting and monitoring key individuals. Was Signal more exclusive when it started? From the sounds of it, every surburban house dad on the net now seems to have a need to relay encrypted messages about bs because social media says it's the cool thing to do. Ofcourse, I think they care about messages but they may also care about attaining the knowledge capability to simply target all app users once there deck is full. All I'm saying is "Cuidado"! |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 11:53:42 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That said, once you go so far as to think the government is reading your thoughts, you're taking security and caution too far. At that point, you're ineffective, because you're convinced that whatever you do, say, or think, your adversary is going to know about it. That might be a useful way of thinking if you somehow wind up in a CIA black site, because at that point, they really might know everything. But all it's going to do for the average person is cripple him. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 1:23:36 PM EST
[#19]
This place is a fucking gold mine for Psych graduate students, and I am sure more than one is using it as thesis material either directly or indirectly.
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Posted: 1/29/2021 1:24:29 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats the point of encryption if they know the source and irregardless of the message, can begin targeting and monitoring key individuals. Was Signal more exclusive when it started? From the sounds of it, every surburban house dad on the net now seems to have a need to relay encrypted messages about bs because social media says it's the cool thing to do. Ofcourse, I think they care about messages but they may also care about attaining the knowledge capability to simply target all app users once there deck is full. All I'm saying is "Cuidado"! |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 1:45:30 PM EST
[#21]
THey are continuing to beat the same tired, old, worn-out drum.
"Terrorists and child molesters are using this technology, so we need to read everyone's traffic in order to catch those folks. We will never use this against hard-working and honest citizens." "Really, honest ........... just trust us. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 2:17:04 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if its a fad doesn't that mean that simply using signal is no longer a significant indicator of nefarious intent? Flooded the field with noise. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whats the point of encryption if they know the source and irregardless of the message, can begin targeting and monitoring key individuals. Was Signal more exclusive when it started? From the sounds of it, every surburban house dad on the net now seems to have a need to relay encrypted messages about bs because social media says it's the cool thing to do. Ofcourse, I think they care about messages but they may also care about attaining the knowledge capability to simply target all app users once there deck is full. All I'm saying is "Cuidado"! Let's hope so. I don't think there is a boundary when it comes to government over-reach, if your a threat, they remove you. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 2:26:43 PM EST
[#23]
Where’d OP go? He never answered my questions. Just shuck & jived outta here.
 For a Knight of the Realm of Cryptography he sure was short on detail. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 2:43:41 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ... Does anybody think that there isn't some security researcher somewhere sending specific and threatening Signal messages back and forth between two devices just to see if anybody comes knocking? I have it on my work phone and personal phone, I have definitely NOT been doing this.  Pretty sure OP got what he wanted and is off to blade somewhere else or he is out filling multiple rx bottles so he can meet his po. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 4:35:55 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where'd OP go? He never answered my questions. Just shuck & jived outta here. For a Knight of the Realm of Cryptography he sure was short on detail. Locked.  Forfeited his seat at The Round Table. Probably in the gutter consumed by the drink. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 4:46:16 PM EST
[#26]
 Faster than that other fella. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 4:48:48 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Locked. Forfeited his seat at The Round Table. Probably in the gutter consumed by the drink. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where'd OP go? He never answered my questions. Just shuck & jived outta here. For a Knight of the Realm of Cryptography he sure was short on detail. Locked. Forfeited his seat at The Round Table. Probably in the gutter consumed by the drink. Don't worry. He'll be back. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 4:49:43 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Locked. Forfeited his seat at The Round Table. Probably in the gutter consumed by the drink. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where'd OP go? He never answered my questions. Just shuck & jived outta here. For a Knight of the Realm of Cryptography he sure was short on detail. Locked. Forfeited his seat at The Round Table. Probably in the gutter consumed by the drink. DAMN ILLUMINATI! |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 4:51:46 PM EST
[#29]
For the casual user signal and other encrypted stuff isn’t going to get hacked by Joe blow no matter how good of a basement hacker they are but state actors are a different story entirely. Totally different game. My best friend and coworker spent a great deal of his career involved very very deeply in the intelligence industry with those agencies and he told me many times “ if NSA wants to get into your system there’s three ways. They will buy their way in, steal their way in or beat it out of you“. I have no reason to doubt his statement even though it’s dated by a few decades I’m sure it still holds true
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Posted: 1/29/2021 4:57:04 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the casual user signal and other encrypted stuff isn’t going to get hacked by Joe blow no matter how good of a basement hacker they are but state actors are a different story entirely. Totally different game. My best friend and coworker spent a great deal of his career involved very very deeply in the intelligence industry with those agencies and he told me many times “ if NSA wants to get into your system there’s three ways. They will buy their way in, steal their way in or beat it out of you“. I have no reason to doubt his statement even though it’s dated by a few decades I’m sure it still holds true That's written on the wall of every shitter stall in every BiB. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 5:56:10 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/153820/Screenshot_20210129-164528_DuckDuckGo-1802169.jpg Faster than that other fella. (and I just pissed away post #68886, but I couldn't find a good image for it anyway) |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 6:39:44 PM EST
[#32]
So was OP a retread?
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Posted: 1/29/2021 7:23:29 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So was OP a retread? |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 7:28:28 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The light will someday turn on for so many. It's cool. This topic is probably now exhausted with this group of folks. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FmxmvguSsjmfhvNTeDK%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You all here giving CryptoKnight shit are completely missing the point...whether or not AES256 has been compromised is not something any user on this forum will have any info on. The minute you do, then you can bet every foreign government will know and this will be big news. So stop acting like you know anything about encryption based on what you read online. The second point most of you are missing is that it doesn't take a genius to intercept comms on ANY platform. In case you missed it "many signal employees" expressed concern about their platform being used in ways the don't like -- INTERPRETATION -- some soyboi devs want to censor and deplatform conservatives. Willing idealist dev soybois + gov money = backdoor access. If that doesn't work, there's always the XKCD wrench..they don't have to break encryption to spy on you, they just need willing developers. Assume all your comms are compromised is the only takeaway. The light will someday turn on for so many. It's cool. This topic is probably now exhausted with this group of folks. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FmxmvguSsjmfhvNTeDK%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1 That settles it, '20 and '21ers agree. I had to put on sunglasses to not be blinded by the light. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 10:10:11 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't worry. He'll be back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Where'd OP go? He never answered my questions. Just shuck & jived outta here. For a Knight of the Realm of Cryptography he sure was short on detail. Locked. Forfeited his seat at The Round Table. Probably in the gutter consumed by the drink. Don't worry. He'll be back. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 10:12:13 PM EST
[#36]
Quoted: Warning for those who use the Signal app. The recent National Terror Threat Warning released by the Fed comes from them analyzing comms of the Signal app. Yes, the Fed can look inside all that "weak" encrypted stuff! One post... joined 2021... Yeah... someone might need to learn to troll |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 10:20:49 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: DAMN |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 10:50:44 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the casual user signal and other encrypted stuff isn’t going to get hacked by Joe blow no matter how good of a basement hacker they are but state actors are a different story entirely. Totally different game. My best friend and coworker spent a great deal of his career involved very very deeply in the intelligence industry with those agencies and he told me many times “ if NSA wants to get into your system there’s three ways. They will buy their way in, steal their way in or beat it out of you“. I have no reason to doubt his statement even though it’s dated by a few decades I’m sure it still holds true That sure seems like he's saying they can't break strong encryption. |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 11:15:24 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That sure seems like he's saying they can't break strong encryption. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For the casual user signal and other encrypted stuff isn’t going to get hacked by Joe blow no matter how good of a basement hacker they are but state actors are a different story entirely. Totally different game. My best friend and coworker spent a great deal of his career involved very very deeply in the intelligence industry with those agencies and he told me many times “ if NSA wants to get into your system there’s three ways. They will buy their way in, steal their way in or beat it out of you“. I have no reason to doubt his statement even though it’s dated by a few decades I’m sure it still holds true That sure seems like he's saying they can't break strong encryption. The Snowden leaks said much the same thing. The Feds are very clever. If you use a shitty cipher (RC4 anyone ? ) or shitty software, or otherwise have some sort of flaw in your implementation, I have no doubt the NSA can take advantage of it. But, if you do your part, and use something that's been audited for flaws by multiple 3rd parties, properly implemented ciphers , and is kept up to date as bugs are found..... you can have some faith your data is secure. NSA themselves (via the Snowden leaks) flat out admit there's plenty of things they can't break - Truecrypt, Signal, PGP, are just a few. Seriously folks, read this. https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/inside-the-nsa-s-war-on-internet-security-a-1010361.html |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 12:00:40 PM EST
[#40]
The weakness of Commercial Messaging Apps is not in the ability of an entity to intercept and read the message. The weakness is in the fact that you can’t trust any company that owns a messaging app.
The bottom line, is that IF you wanted to use a CMA as part of your communication plan associated with something you didn’t want anyone to know: A) Don’t discuss information that will reveal your (plans, intentions, weaknesses, personnel, capabilities) B) Don’t discuss details of your activities (Where, when, what, how) Use brevity codes. Use a CMA to “signal.” |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 12:36:00 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The weakness of Commercial Messaging Apps is not in the ability of an entity to intercept and read the message. The weakness is in the fact that you can’t trust any company that owns a messaging app. The bottom line, is that IF you wanted to use a CMA as part of your communication plan associated with something you didn’t want anyone to know: A) Don’t discuss information that will reveal your (plans, intentions, weaknesses, personnel, capabilities) B) Don’t discuss details of your activities (Where, when, what, how) Use brevity codes. Use a CMA to “signal.” Signal isn't really commercial, though. It's owned by a nonprofit foundation and funded by donations. That doesn't take away from your point, but there is somewhat less risk of Signal selling out. |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 12:55:12 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Signal isn't really commercial, though. It's owned by a nonprofit foundation and funded by donations. That doesn't take away from your point, but there is somewhat less risk of Signal selling out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The weakness of Commercial Messaging Apps is not in the ability of an entity to intercept and read the message. The weakness is in the fact that you can’t trust any company that owns a messaging app. The bottom line, is that IF you wanted to use a CMA as part of your communication plan associated with something you didn’t want anyone to know: A) Don’t discuss information that will reveal your (plans, intentions, weaknesses, personnel, capabilities) B) Don’t discuss details of your activities (Where, when, what, how) Use brevity codes. Use a CMA to “signal.” Signal isn't really commercial, though. It's owned by a nonprofit foundation and funded by donations. That doesn't take away from your point, but there is somewhat less risk of Signal selling out. Doesn’t matter who owns it, if YOU don’t own it. How many “non-profits” are controlled by Soros? |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 1:39:07 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn’t matter who owns it, if YOU don’t own it. How many “non-profits” are controlled by Soros? That's one of the benefits of open source, though. Since the code is open, you (and lots of other people who actively monitor such things) can see if they change anything. Effectively, with open source, you do own it, as much as anybody else does. Signal controls the servers, but since messages are end-to-end encrypted, they can't see the contents. And, you should be able to run it on a private server if you want to (that was definitely a possibility several years ago. I can't imagine why it wouldn't still be). |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 1:53:24 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't matter who owns it, if YOU don't own it. How many "non-profits" are controlled by Soros? Compromise those platforms and no app is secure. |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 2:09:54 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Better question...how many devices aren't Apple, Windows, or Google? Compromise those platforms and no app is secure. Buying text feeds from mobile carriers is the most simple mass surveillance scheme available to government. Those texts belong to them, not you. If they lose this option, they can download code either by a hack (or in collusion with your carrier/apple/google) to your mobile device and copy data from your screen or internal memory. This is harder to do. May as well raise the bar for an oppressive .gov wherever possible. Here is our .gov getting caught buying the location feeds. https://www.theepochtimes.com/defense-intelligence-agency-buying-phone-location-data-without-warrants_3668434.html |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 2:25:45 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People actually think they can plot against the gov on the internet and not get ass fucked? The internet is no fun anymore. Let’s go back to discussing 9 vs 45. And why would that be. Oh Yea. Because of government employee volunteers. Keep inviting them over to your BBQ |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 4:22:33 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, go back to landlines, right Fed? Yes. Fersure. Then government workers won't even need to break anything. They will just use the current rooms at att /Verizon etc to suck up all the data without warrant like they do now. Law? Hahaha that's only for non government employees. |
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Posted: 1/30/2021 9:26:00 PM EST
[#48]
Government makes laws for us, not for itself.
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Posted: 1/30/2021 10:38:41 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Government makes very specialized laws to control us, and designed not to work on said government. 
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