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Posted: 7/5/2018 3:11:15 PM EST

He had his harness on but wasn't clipped off to the attachment point.

One of the CM safety guys walked right up to him. Three days off the job and "retraining" when he gets back.

Now they are going to be crawling up my ass for the next month.

It was in a scissors lift, not an OSHA requirement but a GC/CM requirement.

$300-$400 million dollar project.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:12:23 PM EST

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Posted: 7/5/2018 3:13:18 PM EST

[#2]

For shame.!!!

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:14:25 PM EST

[#3]

And yet you had time to post about it here.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:14:35 PM EST

[#4]

Lol, I rarely wear my harness clipped... even in the 80 and 150 aerials.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:16:28 PM EST

[#5]

Wohoo 5 day weekend

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:19:27 PM EST

[#6]

I have seen people get yelled at for not clipping in when the boom is lower than the minimum distance that the fall limiter will work

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:20:58 PM EST

[#7]

At least you aren't telling us about a guy who fell out and died because he wasn't clipped in.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:21:52 PM EST

[#8]

Who is the CM... Skanska?

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:22:43 PM EST

[#9]

I ALWAYS clipped in. Don't get a second chance.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:23:04 PM EST

[#10]

Make sure he gets a heaping helping of Special High Intensity Training

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:23:21 PM EST

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I’ve never worn a harness whilest in a scissor lift.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:24:04 PM EST

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I always thought that harnessing yourself on a scissor lift was more dangerous than not.... you can leap from it.

Now, if your talking a boom lift...always wear a harness. Those fuckers will catapult your ass.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:24:08 PM EST

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If so hope he had his cut level 3 gloves on

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:25:30 PM EST

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It makes you hit the ground at a much higher velocity.

Think how much speed a water skier gains when the boat makes a tight turn and the skier gets slung out of the wake

That's what happens when a scissor or man lift goes over and the poor SOB inside is slung by his clipped in lanyard

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:26:21 PM EST

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If so hope he had his cut level 3 gloves on

And did the calisthenics before work in the AM

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:26:30 PM EST

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Either them or Walbridge would be my guess.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:31:25 PM EST

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Harnesses in scissor lifts is a good idea but I wouldn't toss a guy for it, there would be shit, and a meeting, copious ass chewings...but I wouldn't toss people off the property. I have tossed guys for standing on the railing in a scissor that wasn't quite tall enough.

In a boom lift, yep, you're outta here. I've tossed entire contractor groups out for that, that and confined space entry done badly, and LO/TO....come to think of it I was a bit of a dick...but contractors are a dangerous group statistically.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:31:36 PM EST

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And did the calisthenics before work in the AM

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I always scheduled my work after morning calisthenics

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:33:11 PM EST

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And yet you had time to post about it here.

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Yep, after submitting the time, material order, safety paperwork and GFCI testing logs.

Do you really care how I spent my one minute of free time?

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:33:51 PM EST

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I have no fucking idea how any work gets done on some of these fucking jobs nowadays.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:34:59 PM EST

[#21]

So that guy is allowed to come back?

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:35:00 PM EST

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He had his harness on but wasn't clipped off to the attachment point.

One of the CM safety guys walked right up to him. Three days off the job and "retraining" when he gets back.

Now they are going to be crawling up my ass for the next month.

It was in a scissors lift, not an OSHA requirement but a GC/CM requirement.

$300-$400 million dollar project.

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I had a GC try that, learned their game and started writing site specific safety plans for everything.

Didn't want to wear gloves? Write a safety plan detailing the dangers of wearing them around power tools.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:35:31 PM EST

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Wait till you try Tier One OPE.
stupid ass shit
You have to wear an air pack with a gas test machine and have a standby outside a 35 foot circle wearing an air pack; while you pull and open a bleeder on an isolated piece of equipment no matter if its a safety valve or 1/4" instrumentation of a material that you catch a pint sample of at least twice a day while wearing goggles (if you even wear goggles). Get caught not doing it and you lose your job for not following "life saving rules".
On some stuff its a great idea; on 90% of the other stuff its stupid af.

That's what I want to do, be clipped into a piece of equipment that can squish me if something goes wrong with no chance of escape.
Here they have the double tie-off rule.
So if you need to move for some reason you're tethered twice.

Rules made by know-it-alls that a) were removed from the field because they were a danger to themselves or others. b) I'm related to someone and I got out of having to do that kind of work myself. c) I have a college education and have no clue of what is going on.
"But I'ze makes de rulez."

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:38:35 PM EST

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But yet a guy can be on a 12' or 14' A frame ladder and not have to tie off to anything... This shit drives me nuts. OSHA is nothing but a mob organization that generates revenue. Contractors that are safe are safe, and those that are not, are not. OSHA isnt going to change that.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:39:17 PM EST

[#25]

If one of my guys was snagged in the bucket without fall restraints equipped Miller relief steps, they’d be terminated.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:42:28 PM EST

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Wait till you try Tier One OPE.
stupid ass shit
You have to wear an air pack with a gas test machine and have a standby outside a 35 foot circle wearing an air pack; while you pull and open a bleeder on an isolated piece of equipment no matter if its a safety valve or 1/4" instrumentation of a material that you catch a pint sample of at least twice a day while wearing goggles (if you even wear goggles). Get caught not doing it and you lose your job for not following "life saving rules".
On some stuff its a great idea; on 90% of the other stuff its stupid af.

That's what I want to do, be clipped into a piece of equipment that can squish me if something goes wrong with no chance of escape.
Here they have the double tie-off rule.
So if you need to move for some reason you're tethered twice.

Rules made by know-it-alls that a) were removed from the field because they were a danger to themselves or others. b) I'm related to someone and I got out of having to do that kind of work myself. c) I have a college education and have no clue of what is going on.
"But I'ze makes de rulez."

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No. Rules are there because somewhere, somehow, some idiot maimed or killed himself and/or others...

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:44:41 PM EST

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I saw a guy launched out of a snorkel lift. Too fast, not clipped in and hit a bump = Superman!

We all laughed.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:54:45 PM EST

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But yet a guy can be on a 12' or 14' A frame ladder and not have to tie off to anything... This shit drives me nuts. OSHA is nothing but a mob organization that generates revenue. Contractors that are safe are safe, and those that are not, are not. OSHA isnt going to change that.

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I wish.

Not on this job. ANYTHING over 6' and we have to tie off.

Can't move a rig, even a scissors, without being tied off.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:56:04 PM EST

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Either them or Walbridge would be my guess.

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Who is the CM... Skanska?

Either them or Walbridge would be my guess.

Nope. I don't think I've ever seen them in St. Louis.

I'm not going to name them, but they are based in St. Louis.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:58:59 PM EST

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I'm not familiar with this. So a question out of ignorance. If you're clipped in to a scissor lift and the thing decides to tip, how is a harness going to help? Or is the harness to keep the guy from falling out of the platform? I've seen alot of scissor lifts in use and never seen the worker in a harness.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:59:04 PM EST

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But yet a guy can be on a 12' or 14' A frame ladder and not have to tie off to anything... This shit drives me nuts. OSHA is nothing but a mob organization that generates revenue. Contractors that are safe are safe, and those that are not, are not. OSHA isnt going to change that.

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I was called out for not having my lanyard clipped on while working in a scissor lift last year. I was working on it fully lowered, I just needed a 5' high work platform. My partner was on an oil covered ladder next to the lift with his feet about eye level to me and that was fine. Safety doesn't mind that we are working in 2" of oil, but god help you if you don't tie off. Did I mention that we have no anchor points to tie off on once we leave the lift?

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:59:20 PM EST

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In my job I spend a lot of time in lifts. Sometimes I forget to clip myself in. Wearing a harness in a scissor lift is mostly a job location requirement. You will definitely get a reaming. Break a major rule and you are terminated.

Posted: 7/5/2018 3:59:58 PM EST

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Those that are not safe prolly won't be in the business long anyway, this is completely attributed to the laws that allow anyone to sue anyone for themselves being a jackass.

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:03:28 PM EST

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At least you aren't telling us about a guy who fell out and died because he wasn't clipped in.

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Came here expecting that or similar mayhem, found sandy vagina, left again.

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:03:34 PM EST

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I do lots of high stuff as an electrician and I have never once put on a harness. We don’t even own any. Our policy if OSHA shows up on a job site is to drop our stuff and leave for a long lunch tell they are gone.

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:05:04 PM EST

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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:07:25 PM EST

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And did the calisthenics before work in the AM

I always scheduled my work after morning calisthenics

Skanska dont fuck around, 2 days of training just to work on one of their projects. Im not even in construction. But I did feel so much better after some stretching at 7am.

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:08:50 PM EST

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Back when I used to work on big jets, we would park a scissor lift as close as we could to the jet, raise it just past the widest part then stand on the out side of the lift. Feet on the lift and knees on the plane. It's a good thing the safety guys didn't work over-nights.

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:10:10 PM EST

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Just 3 days? That would be a perma-ban from some sites.

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:14:06 PM EST

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A guy on a gilbane job of ours was on a lift 10 stories up and it quit. He decides to jump to the bldg.
Didn't make it.
Talk about a lotta paperwork. And I hate paperwork

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:16:56 PM EST

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MSHA rules are my favorite.

Must wear a life jacket when there is a danger of drowning. Well you can drown in a puddle of water so they expect you to wear one when working near puddles.

Same for a ladder, whenever there is a danger of falling which is anytime your feet leave the ground. Tied off standing on a step ladder a foot off the ground.

Site you for no TP in the Porto John too

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:18:37 PM EST

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I do lots of high stuff as an electrician and I have never once put on a harness. We don’t even own any. Our policy if OSHA shows up on a job site is to drop our stuff and leave for a long lunch tell they are gone.

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Lol, your shop wouldn't be working for any reputable GC around here.

It is nearly on every job now, at least on every job of any size.

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:19:29 PM EST

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Happens about every 6 months... guys are just bone heads sometimes.

Same with safety glasses, they drop them to see around condensation or whatever.

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:20:45 PM EST

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I had 3 guys climb a water tower to get to suspended scaffolding. All 3 had harnesses on and there was a safety rope for them to clip into not 12 inches from their heads. Not a single guy clipped in. 225 feet to the scaffold in a straight climb. Darwin was circling and no matter how much I protested they refused....

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:21:30 PM EST

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Skanska dont fuck around, 2 days of training just to work on one of their projects. Im not even in construction. But I did feel so much better after some stretching at 7am.

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Somehow the contractor I was doing work for got me in without the extensive training. I did go to Skanska trailer and get site specific. Honestly their biggest concern was having cut level 3 gloves on my person at all times.

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:21:44 PM EST

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Lol, as a PM I've gotten dinged a couple of times for forgetting them since its only required on like 20% of my projects so far..

Posted: 7/5/2018 4:22:40 PM EST

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While the height might be less than the limit of the rope it's the habit they want to reinforce. If you don't clip on a 8 ft. job will you remember to clip on a 30 ft. job? Habit, habit, habit.

I used to tell my guys that if they got in the habit of thinking "Hey, it's a weekend, no one from management here today", and failed to follow procedures/rules then sooner or later they'd do that same thing on day shift and probably in front of a supervisor or manager or safety department person and then they'd be up shit creek.

Another thing I told them was that no matter how many other people were breaking safety rules/not following procedures that it seemed management was blind to, sooner or later someone above them would crack down on them and they'd be looking for someone to right up/suspend/fire to show they were "tough on safety." I'd tell my guys, don't be the one. Don't be the one management decides to make an example of to get on the good side of their bosses.