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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:32:49 PM EST
[#1]
For clarification, he had his lanyard clipped to himself and forgot to clip in again after having gotten out for something.
The thought process behind requiring tie off in a scissors is while you aren't supposed to stand on the rail, they know people inevitably will. Little to no chance of falling out of a scissors standing on the work platform. That risk however drastically increases if someone stands on the mid rail. Of course if they see someone on the mid rail they are in trouble. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:34:51 PM EST
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I always thought that harnessing yourself on a scissor lift was more dangerous than not.... you can leap from it. Now, if your talking a boom lift...always wear a harness. Those fuckers will catapult your ass. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:37:42 PM EST
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I had to tie off to a ladder once........an 8 foot ladder. Yes I asked if it was to insure I got hurt if I fell and pulled the ladder down on me.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:41:39 PM EST
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Harness in a scissor is the dumbest thing ever. By that logic you should be clipped in on any catwalk, no matter the construction method.
Articulating, you bet your ass I’m clipped in no matter what |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:44:44 PM EST
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There are some companies, Intel for example, that will fire you if you ARE clipped in on a scissor lift.
1) Per OSHA it is a scaffolding system with a full guard rail, so harness is not required. 2) If you fall and are arrested by a lanyard you are now potentially dangling or stuck in the pinch points of the scissor arms. 3) If a lift tips over your lanyard can actually cause your body to be thrown under the lift. (There was a video of this happening, tests with a crash test dummy iirc, but it was sort of a pendulum thing and while one dummy rolled out the other went under). |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:45:22 PM EST
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At least you aren't telling us about a guy who fell out and died because he wasn't clipped in. We may laugh, but it's no fun telling a wife her husband is dead while her and the kids are crying. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:46:34 PM EST
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I was caught (and cautioned) a few times for not having my PPE (gloves specifically) on while doing tel/data on a commercial project.
There is no humanly possible way to terminate Cat5-6 while wearing leather gloves. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:46:50 PM EST
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Lol, I rarely wear my harness clipped... even in the 80 and 150 aerials. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:49:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who said he didn't die?  |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:59:55 PM EST
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He had his harness on but wasn't clipped off to the attachment point. One of the CM safety guys walked right up to him. Three days off the job and "retraining" when he gets back. Now they are going to be crawling up my ass for the next month. It was in a scissors lift, not an OSHA requirement but a GC/CM requirement. $300-$400 million dollar project. I've sent a few guys home and its taken them over a month to get back because of work slow down/schedule change. I'm normally gentler and just coach the guy. But if they argue I let there safety rep walk them. Its a simple phone call. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:01:38 PM EST
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I have seen people get yelled at for not clipping in when the boom is lower than the minimum distance that the fall limiter will work  |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:10:50 PM EST
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But yet a guy can be on a 12' or 14' A frame ladder and not have to tie off to anything... This shit drives me nuts. OSHA is nothing but a mob organization that generates revenue. Contractors that are safe are safe, and those that are not, are not. OSHA isnt going to change that. Yes, the GC would make you climb a 12 foot ladder to tie yourself off to work "safely" on a 6 footer. 
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:11:12 PM EST
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He had his harness on but wasn't clipped off to the attachment point. One of the CM safety guys walked right up to him. Three days off the job and "retraining" when he gets back. Now they are going to be crawling up my ass for the next month. It was in a scissors lift, not an OSHA requirement but a GC/CM requirement. $300-$400 million dollar project. The 3 big assholes in the construction world. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:11:57 PM EST
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Walked right up to him? So he wasn't in the air at the time?
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:14:54 PM EST
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He had his harness on but wasn't clipped off to the attachment point. One of the CM safety guys walked right up to him. Three days off the job and "retraining" when he gets back. Now they are going to be crawling up my ass for the next month. It was in a scissors lift, not an OSHA requirement but a GC/CM requirement. $300-$400 million dollar project. When caught he owned up to it like a man. Because of it, instead of being banned for life (which is legit what they do), they made him the safety champion of the project and he gets some extra duties in exchange for being able to stay on the jobsite. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:15:15 PM EST
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Reflection of his leadership....
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:16:40 PM EST
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I have seen people get yelled at for not clipping in when the boom is lower than the minimum distance that the fall limiter will work |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:18:23 PM EST
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I always thought that harnessing yourself on a scissor lift was more dangerous than not.... you can leap from it. Now, if your talking a boom lift...always wear a harness. Those fuckers will catapult your ass. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:18:58 PM EST
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I've been on sites where if you are on a 6' ladder, you need to be tied off to the structure. Yes, the GC would make you climb a 12 foot ladder to tie yourself off to work "safely" on a 6 footer. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:22:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, after submitting the time, material order, safety paperwork and GFCI testing logs. Do you really care how I spent my one minute of free time? |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:24:59 PM EST
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I'm not familiar with this. So a question out of ignorance. If you're clipped in to a scissor lift and the thing decides to tip, how is a harness going to help? Or is the harness to keep the guy from falling out of the platform? I've seen alot of scissor lifts in use and never seen the worker in a harness. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:31:35 PM EST
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I'm a Safety Officer for a large county government. I have to respond to shit like this. Several years ago two idiots using a boom lift like a crane. Thin poly rope broke and catapulted them over the side. One almost died. Their harnesses were clipped on, but neither one was wearing them.
I spent years in aviation. OSHA Regs like Federal Aviation regs are written in blood. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:37:43 PM EST
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I ALWAYS clipped in. Don't get a second chance. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:41:32 PM EST
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Reflection of his leadership.... Captain caveman thinks me a poor leader. 
I'm not his wet nurse, he is responsible for his own actions. That's called being a man. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:46:14 PM EST
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Um if you are having safety issues on your work site your one minute might be better spent making sure everyone is in compliance with all safety rules. That could be the difference between life and deathn.jusy sayin. We have safety meetings every morning. I'm thinking you have never been on a jobsite. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:52:08 PM EST
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We require 100% tie off in scissor lifts as well. I have a hell of a time keeping my drywallers/finishers in line. Can't throw them off the job because they will just go to another one of our projects
I try not be an asshole, especially if someone just forgot to clip in, but if you're standing on the rails with no harness. Pack your shit. Being a safety nazi doesn't get you anywhere as a GC Super I've learned. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:58:14 PM EST
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My buddy works for phone company. He was working on a trouble, and was in a hurry. Can't remember if he had a bucket truck or a van and ladder, but he didn't use any safety equipment. His customer came out to talk to him while he worked. He went up on the pole more than once without his safety gear. When he was done, his customer gave him his card, he was an OSHA inspector.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:59:22 PM EST
[#28]
If you did that shit at the fertilizer plants around here your ass would be escorted off the site and you would not be coming back.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:01:04 PM EST
[#29]
“Safety third”
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:06:46 PM EST
[#30]
Don’t feel bad, I had a guy hit an electrical tren way with a trackhoe a couple of weeks ago, in a substation, he ignored directives from his spotter, then he refused the drug test. You want to talk about safety guys up your ass, we have been under a microscope ever since. I finally got the other superintendent, who was blowing safety stuff off, off of the job site.
Things have calmed down a bit but we are to the point we can’t move any equipment without a spotter. When we do move equipment the machine has to stop, the spotter walks 20 or so yards ahead, turns around and directs the machine. This process repeats untill he gets where he is going, sometime over 1000 yards. Talk about a slow down. I also got chewed on because one of my carpenters wasn’t wearing gloves while operating a power saw, I never heard that one before, now my guys have to have gloves on at all times and all other PPE if they are on the property, even in the parking lot. Instead of following OSHA rules we have to follow the utility companies rules, which I was never given a copy of, it’s been fun. In order to smooth things over we are going above and beyond to the extreme. It’s been an interesting first 2months with this employer. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:08:35 PM EST
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“Safety third” |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:10:35 PM EST
[#32]
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I have seen people get yelled at for not clipping in when the boom is lower than the minimum distance that the fall limiter will work Also have to wear a hard hat in a lift, doesn't matter if you are outside where the only overhead danger is a meteorite. It better be on. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:13:04 PM EST
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Unless you're working over the water, then it's a potential anchor if it goes in the drink. Always told my guys if it's that fucking low then get in the boat. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:15:59 PM EST
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I've been on sites where if you are on a 6' ladder, you need to be tied off to the structure. Yes, the GC would make you climb a 12 foot ladder to tie yourself off to work "safely" on a 6 footer. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:16:19 PM EST
[#35]
OSHA would've shit a brick if they saw what we do on a regular basis.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:17:23 PM EST
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Lol, I rarely wear my harness clipped... even in the 80 and 150 aerials.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:19:56 PM EST
[#37]
I was standing on a 5 gallon bucket at work and a guy walked up to me with a shit eating grin and told me he was from OSHA. I looked down at him and told him I don't give a fuck. A few days later they had a reduction in man power in my department.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:26:28 PM EST
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When gloves are required by OSHA to use a circular saw, will be when I say I have finally had enough and retire from the trade. Some of this shit is ridiculous. Gloves are not going to keep me from cutting anything off, and make using that saw more dangerous because of not being able to grip it properly with enough tension. Skin has better adhesion than most gloves. And dont even get me started about the stupid cloth gloves with cut proof kevlar. I have more cuts on my hands from having those on than I ever did before with no gloves on.
I can make enough money in my home shop and not have to worry about stupid shit like this that raises project costs so high and does nothing to prevent Darwin from claiming another victim. If you are safe, you will be safe without asinine rules and regulations. If you arent, well...then you'll meet Darwin. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:28:50 PM EST
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Nope. I don't think I've ever seen them in St. Louis. I'm not going to name them, but they are based in St. Louis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is the CM... Skanska? I'm not going to name them, but they are based in St. Louis. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:29:39 PM EST
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Who is the CM... Skanska? I'm not going to name them, but they are based in St. Louis. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:32:56 PM EST
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When gloves are required by OSHA to use a circular saw, will be when I say I have finally had enough and retire from the trade. Some of this shit is ridiculous. Gloves are not going to keep me from cutting anything off, and make using that saw more dangerous because of not being able to grip it properly with enough tension. Skin has better adhesion than most gloves. And dont even get me started about the stupid cloth gloves with cut proof kevlar. I have more cuts on my hands from having those on than I ever did before with no gloves on. I can make enough money in my home shop and not have to worry about stupid shit like this that raises project costs so high and does nothing to prevent Darwin from claiming another victim. If you are safe, you will be safe without asinine rules and regulations. If you arent, well...then you'll meet Darwin. If the asshole that made the rules ever actually worked with their hands I might respect them. But they don't. They read text books because they can't work with their hands. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:35:55 PM EST
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Wohoo 5 day weekend  
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:38:32 PM EST
[#43]
That's an insta termination out here.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:38:51 PM EST
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I wish. Not on this job. ANYTHING over 6' and we have to tie off. Can't move a rig, even a scissors, without being tied off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But yet a guy can be on a 12' or 14' A frame ladder and not have to tie off to anything... This shit drives me nuts. OSHA is nothing but a mob organization that generates revenue. Contractors that are safe are safe, and those that are not, are not. OSHA isnt going to change that. Not on this job. ANYTHING over 6' and we have to tie off. Can't move a rig, even a scissors, without being tied off.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:39:00 PM EST
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Wohoo 5 day weekend
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:41:00 PM EST
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:42:40 PM EST
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We had a welder up on a work stand a couple of weeks back that left his screens on the floor. Too hard to set up. Too hard to protect everyone else's eyes.
I made a safety report because the supervisor was a dick. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:45:49 PM EST
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Lol, I rarely wear my harness clipped... even in the 80 and 150 aerials. No matter how skilled one is, think of the dumbasses working tow motors around you. Clip your fucking harness. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:47:31 PM EST
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I have no fucking idea how any work gets done on some of these fucking jobs nowadays. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:48:02 PM EST
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I'm going to guess Turner... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is the CM... Skanska? I'm not going to name them, but they are based in St. Louis. Not Clayco, think.... Bigger. That's all I'm saying. |
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