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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:42:05 PM EST
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Who is the CM... Skanska? I'm not going to name them, but they are based in St. Louis. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:42:27 PM EST
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What's the PPE level to change a light bulb? Remember 120v AC and you can't lock out the light switch on the wall.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:42:28 PM EST
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He had his harness on but wasn't clipped off to the attachment point. One of the CM safety guys walked right up to him. Three days off the job and "retraining" when he gets back. Now they are going to be crawling up my ass for the next month. It was in a scissors lift, not an OSHA requirement but a GC/CM requirement. $300-$400 million dollar project. He's lucky he still has a job. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:44:11 PM EST
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I posted an incident that happened on a job I just
finished up on this forum in the past about two electricians who where in a scissor lift and got trampolined out of it one of them died instantly and the other one lived but will be getting crayons and coloring books for the rest of his life it was a job requirement for these two guy's to tie off and they paid the consequences . |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:45:41 PM EST
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Zoom boom = required to be tied off.
Scissor = nope, not even in CA. The GC/CM is tarded, but so are you for not paying attention to your contract docs RE safety manual |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:48:07 PM EST
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OSHA is already run by Nazis. Anything above what they require is pure asshatery
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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:52:21 PM EST
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I posted an incident that happened on a job I just finished up on this forum in the past about two electricians who where in a scissor lift and got trampolined out of it one of them died instantly and the other one lived but will be getting crayons and coloring books for the rest of his life it was a job requirement for these two guy's to tie off and they paid the consequences . Or maybe they were stupid for not using personal protective equipment properly. Naw, they can’t be it. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:53:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool. It must suck to climb to the top of those wind turbines The blue cable is a climb assist. Won’t pull you to the top, but it makes it a lot easier. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:55:22 PM EST
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That is all a bunch of gay shit, america was not built by fags who whore a safety line everytime they had to climb a tall ladder. I will never follow any of that gay ass shit. At 21 years old with 3 years on a motorcycle and 2 years in a cnc machine shop and a lifetime of doing stupid shit, I am living proof that common sense is all you need to keep your fingers and toes intact. Fuck the safety nazi's. You know who loses appendages or their lives on the worksite? Idiots who weren't making use of them in the first place, with few exceptions. America was built by lawyers. 21 years old, a lifetime to be sure. There’s good reason to wear a safety harness. I’ve come to the end of my lanyard driving a boom lift over a curb before. It doesn’t take much of a bump to get catapulted out on your head. I have a buddy at work that just had his arm partially amputated because he was catapulted from a basket and a boom ran over his arm. As far as anyone can tell it was a fluke bad luck accident but without a harness he’d be dead. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 8:59:25 PM EST
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Fuck everyone that works in the 'safety industry.' Sick and fucking tired of these people.
Not an OSHA requirement but some wannabe cop, safety Nazi asshole needs to justify his bullshit job, so he causes a scene. The people who work in the 'safety industry' have cost America more jobs and more investment than anyone can even begin to calculate. Common sense and Darwin will one day, hopefully soon, again prevail. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 9:01:29 PM EST
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OSHA is already run by Nazis. Anything above what they require is pure asshatery |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 9:05:13 PM EST
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My place:
8.1 Use of Fall Protection Anyone working from a telescoping and or articulating boom lift and bucket trucks must wear a personal fall arrest system attached to the manufacture’s designated anchorage point. The use of a personal fall arrest system is not required on scissor lifts if the guardrail system is intact. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 9:07:56 PM EST
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Osha told us we need to have gloves for the guy using the drill press.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 9:08:39 PM EST
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I've never worn a harness whilest in a scissor lift. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is the CM... Skanska? |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 9:23:41 PM EST
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Who is the CM... Skanska? I'm not going to name them, but they are based in St. Louis. Safety has come a long way since I started in this business almost 45 years ago and we certainly see fewer/less severe injuries today, but some of this shit is downright stupid/senseless. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 9:34:20 PM EST
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They are. As is Skanska, Jacobs, and all the other heavy hitters I've been around. I have about two more years and I'm calling it quits. Safety has come a long way since I started in this business almost 45 years ago and we certainly see fewer/less severe injuries today, but some of this shit is downright stupid/senseless. Massive lay offs around the globe, and hemorrhaging money |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 9:34:30 PM EST
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Quoted:jesus im glad im self employed. and dont work big commercial jobs. we own our own boom lift. we can use it the way we want... If you have even one employee in the company, OSHA can cite you OSHA https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standardinterpretations/2001-05-23-3 |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 1:01:59 AM EST
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Osha told us we need to have gloves for the guy using the drill press. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 1:19:48 AM EST
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I have to visit chemical plants and refineries from time to time to take measurements. My favorite is watching guys with their yoyo harness on and then clip it to some 3/4" EMT overhead on a piperack that goes 20' or more between connections. LOL. That's really going to catch you.
Second favorite is guys who fall and get caught by the harness, and have no one there to help/notify. Probably a faster way to get canned than just falling. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 1:35:49 AM EST
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I could probably get my entire building shut down for OSHA violations if I wanted to
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Posted: 7/6/2018 1:53:48 AM EST
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OSHA should be shit canned.
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Posted: 7/6/2018 1:53:49 AM EST
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I was always afraid that if my fat ass did fall out and I was clipped in, that I might pull the damn thing down on top of me.
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Posted: 7/6/2018 2:10:07 AM EST
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Zoom boom = required to be tied off. Scissor = nope, not even in CA. The GC/CM is tarded, but so are you for not paying attention to your contract docs RE safety manual |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 5:57:38 AM EST
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That is all a bunch of gay shit, america was not built by fags who whore a safety line everytime they had to climb a tall ladder. I will never follow any of that gay ass shit. At 21 years old with 3 years on a motorcycle and 2 years in a cnc machine shop and a lifetime of doing stupid shit, I am living proof that common sense is all you need to keep your fingers and toes intact. Fuck the safety nazi's. You know who loses appendages or their lives on the worksite? Idiots who weren't making use of them in the first place, with few exceptions. 
You're 21 and your "lifetime of experience" means you have it all figured out? How cute. I doubt you would last a day on our site with that attitude. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 6:01:37 AM EST
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You mean nitrile gloves to protect his hands from the coolant? We weren't allowed to wear work gloves when running a drill press. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 6:01:37 AM EST
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Zoom boom = required to be tied off. Scissor = nope, not even in CA. The GC/CM is tarded, but so are you for not paying attention to your contract docs RE safety manual
How do you make the leap that I don't know what the safety requirements are? |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 6:18:03 AM EST
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So, are you in the field or in the office drinking cucumber water and playing ping pong? Some of their rules, especially the gloves all the time are ridiculous, but overall the site safety nazi campaign at least makes it so people joke about it, then they might remember to do a portion of it. Simple things like safety glasses . Of course tie off rules are stupid on just about every job site . Still, most people are stupid and need the constant reminde. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 6:19:30 AM EST
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That is all a bunch of gay shit, america was not built by fags who whore a safety line everytime they had to climb a tall ladder. I will never follow any of that gay ass shit. At 21 years old with 3 years on a motorcycle and 2 years in a cnc machine shop and a lifetime of doing stupid shit, I am living proof that common sense is all you need to keep your fingers and toes intact. Fuck the safety nazi's. You know who loses appendages or their lives on the worksite? Idiots who weren't making use of them in the first place, with few exceptions.
You don't have a clue. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 6:58:12 AM EST
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I never wear a harness on a lift. Pretty damn hard to fall off unless you are an idiot
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Posted: 7/6/2018 7:31:14 AM EST
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OSHA should be shit canned. If if you couldn't get sued for dying or or getting maimed on the job then no one would care. That's how you get rid of OSHA. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 7:34:50 AM EST
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GE’s safety people have now taken to flying drones with cameras around to try and catch violators on construction sites. So now when the crews see the drone airborne they will go on break right where they are until the drone battery dies.
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Posted: 7/6/2018 7:35:54 AM EST
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Their site, their rules.
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Posted: 7/6/2018 7:45:33 AM EST
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GE’s safety people have now taken to flying drones with cameras around to try and catch violators on construction sites. So now when the crews see the drone airborne they will go on break right where they are until the drone battery dies. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 8:22:50 AM EST
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Posted: 7/6/2018 8:23:28 AM EST
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You're not the only one here who doesn't get it. It's not about your safety, it's about preventing lawsuits. OSHA is just the regulations to cover their asses so they will be less likely to get sued. If if you couldn't get sued for dying or or getting maimed on the job then no one would care. That's how you get rid of OSHA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OSHA should be shit canned. If if you couldn't get sued for dying or or getting maimed on the job then no one would care. That's how you get rid of OSHA. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 8:29:11 AM EST
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Interesting discussions. Lots of right on both sides. Lots of dumbass rules and a few special snowflakes bitching becaus someone got caught and disciplined for violating company rules that they KNEW about. If your a manager and you let your guys slide on a job site safety requirement then you need time off right along with the violator. NOW if the rule puts someone at risk (gloves around rotating machinery??? Wtf) that’s one thing. And in those cases you as a manager /supervisor need to be fighting YOUR bosses to fix the stupidity.
Lots of ‘just use common sense’ responses and that’s all well and good. Except for those dumbasses on the job site who don’t HAVE any common sense. As always the guys with their act together suffer for the stupidity of those who don’t. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 8:47:12 AM EST
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I see a lot of picking and choosing of what these safety guy's want
to enforce, believe you me when form work is being stripped you won't see any of those safety guy's around , GC tells these guy's how it's going to be safety guy makes any trouble he's off the job , bunch of hypocrites , break peoples balls over safety glasses when it's 95* and 90* humidity give me a break , I could go on &on |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 8:49:39 AM EST
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I have seen people get yelled at for not clipping in when the boom is lower than the minimum distance that the fall limiter will work  I've chewed people out for violating lots of stupid customer requirements. It's their site. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 8:51:31 AM EST
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I had a GC try that, learned their game and started writing site specific safety plans for everything. Didn't want to wear gloves? Write a safety plan detailing the dangers of wearing them around power tools. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He had his harness on but wasn't clipped off to the attachment point. One of the CM safety guys walked right up to him. Three days off the job and "retraining" when he gets back. Now they are going to be crawling up my ass for the next month. It was in a scissors lift, not an OSHA requirement but a GC/CM requirement. $300-$400 million dollar project. Didn't want to wear gloves? Write a safety plan detailing the dangers of wearing them around power tools. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 8:53:04 AM EST
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lol
This happens daily at my work We wouldn't have any workers if Safety was that stringent here |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 9:07:49 AM EST
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Then it's clipped in with life vest until over the water, then unclipped. JLGs over water are OK, bit an extended reach out and down are bad juju. Once you get at or below the level of the wheel hubs... Darwin gets veeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy interested. Always told my guys if it's that fucking low then get in the boat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unless you're working over the water, then it's a potential anchor if it goes in the drink. Always told my guys if it's that fucking low then get in the boat. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 9:44:34 AM EST
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A lot of the most ignorant shit out there isn't even due to OSHA (though they surely have plenty of ignorant shit of their own). The fucking insurance companies get ANYTHING they want, no matter how stupid, counterproductive or even dangerous it may be. They just tell the company how it's going to be or else no coverage. . Still now that I'm a small business owner, insurance companies don't fuck with us much. Our experience rating is crazy low so that probably helps.
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Posted: 7/6/2018 10:43:56 AM EST
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I was caught (and cautioned) a few times for not having my PPE (gloves specifically) on while doing tel/data on a commercial project. There is no humanly possible way to terminate Cat5-6 while wearing leather gloves. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 11:27:09 AM EST
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I wore gloves when running cable but it REALLY slows down production if gloves are required when terminating it. A buddy and I got a warning for not wearing our hardhats when terminating fiber in a fully enclosed MDF bunker-type room. The extra weight really wears on the neck after a while when hunched over a table. After about a week, they modified that to we only had to wear them when we stepped outside the room. Safety pros don't like the draconian rules any more than the people that have to work with them do. Most safety pros I knew were intelligent pragmatic people that hated being babysitters. They also knew inherently that the people doing the actual work were the ones that mattered and slowing them down wasn't a good idea. You guys that are bitching...be honest, you work with some "the purple ones don't taste like grape" crayon eating motherfuckers...the safety guy is responsible when that asshole fucks up. Hence the stupid rules. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 5:33:57 PM EST
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We were on a BP job here in Houston a few years back that was GC'ed by Bovis Lend Lease. We had to argue that we couldn't terminate our 22awg low voltage wiring with work gloves on. One of the safety guys finally conceded and met us in the middle. He provided gloves that didn't have the ends of the thumb, index, and middle fingers. We all thought that it was a workable solution and appreciated that he provided them to us, as he didn't have to. We were using these gloves daily for a few months, when one day, some other Bovis safety guy walks up on a couple of us while working. He wants to know why we thought it was okay to be wearing these gloves that are missing the tips of three fingers. We told him how we got them and he says, "I don't care if my coworker okayed it and gave them to you, you can't use them". So, now we had to get these two Bovis safety asshats together to figure out which one was going to win out on the argument.
I swear, there were days that I just wanted to get booted from that job. It's no wonder why modern day construction costs what it does. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 7:51:42 PM EST
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We were on a BP job here in Houston a few years back that was GC'ed by Bovis Lend Lease. We had to argue that we couldn't terminate our 22awg low voltage wiring with work gloves on. One of the safety guys finally conceded and met us in the middle. He provided gloves that didn't have the ends of the thumb, index, and middle fingers. We all thought that it was a workable solution and appreciated that he provided them to us, as he didn't have to. We were using these gloves daily for a few months, when one day, some other Bovis safety guy walks up on a couple of us while working. He wants to know why we thought it was okay to be wearing these gloves that are missing the tips of three fingers. We told him how we got them and he says, "I don't care if my coworker okayed it and gave them to you, you can't use them". So, now we had to get these two Bovis safety asshats together to figure out which one was going to win out on the argument. I swear, there were days that I just wanted to get booted from that job. It's no wonder why modern day construction costs what it does. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 7:51:52 PM EST
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Precisely but if you're in the field you need to be saved by someone who has the life skills of a hamster! |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 10:00:38 PM EST
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GE's safety people have now taken to flying drones with cameras around to try and catch violators on construction sites. So now when the crews see the drone airborne they will go on break right where they are until the drone battery dies.
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Posted: 7/6/2018 10:10:05 PM EST
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Lol, your shop wouldn't be working for any reputable GC around here. It is nearly on every job now, at least on every job of any size. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I do lots of high stuff as an electrician and I have never once put on a harness. We don’t even own any. Our policy if OSHA shows up on a job site is to drop our stuff and leave for a long lunch tell they are gone. It is nearly on every job now, at least on every job of any size. |
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Posted: 7/7/2018 8:48:16 AM EST
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That's because nobody wants to get kicked off a site over a rules violation and miss out on getting paid. I've chewed people out for violating lots of stupid customer requirements. It's their site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have seen people get yelled at for not clipping in when the boom is lower than the minimum distance that the fall limiter will work I've chewed people out for violating lots of stupid customer requirements. It's their site. |
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