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If I remember correctly didn't the facility holding the Buran have a roof collapse and the orbiter was partially destroyed? Yeh, in 2001 was destroyed (that was the only one that ever flew) It was a copy of early space shuttle designs that were stolen after they were scrapped. Had it actually went into service It would have likely killed the cosmonauts, our own shuttle didn't have the best safety record Space flight is dangerous. I think the Shuttle program performed quite well. Challenger was bureaucratic BS and 100% preventable. Columbia was less foreseeable/preventable I think. Compare Soyuz record to space shuttle, it is a little safer, fwiw How many pounds of cargo has Soyuz returned from orbit? 87 tons less. Different subject. |
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There were sites along the Norway/Finnish border (Kola peninsula) where it looked like the former Soviets ate their final meal and got up from the table and left. Dishes and pots still on the table, clothes hanging on hooks, abandoned equipment, etc. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PG3ew_iFi3A/TOND33dPGRI/AAAAAAAAVsk/5jutgbYA2Zg/s1600/Photo+1.jpg http://englishrussia.com/2009/03/31/dead-towns-of-kola/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It honestly amazes me the number of sites in Russia / former Soviet countries where stuff is just left, like the workers dropped what they were doing and walked out. Are there sites like this in the US? Serious question Doubt it. The government hasn't just up and ended like the soviets did. Yet. There were sites along the Norway/Finnish border (Kola peninsula) where it looked like the former Soviets ate their final meal and got up from the table and left. Dishes and pots still on the table, clothes hanging on hooks, abandoned equipment, etc. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PG3ew_iFi3A/TOND33dPGRI/AAAAAAAAVsk/5jutgbYA2Zg/s1600/Photo+1.jpg http://englishrussia.com/2009/03/31/dead-towns-of-kola/ So many bath tubs |
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Yeh, in 2001 was destroyed (that was the only one that ever flew) It was a copy of early space shuttle designs that were stolen after they were scrapped. Had it actually went into service It would have likely killed the cosmonauts, our own shuttle didn't have the best safety record View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If I remember correctly didn't the facility holding the Buran have a roof collapse and the orbiter was partially destroyed? Yeh, in 2001 was destroyed (that was the only one that ever flew) It was a copy of early space shuttle designs that were stolen after they were scrapped. Had it actually went into service It would have likely killed the cosmonauts, our own shuttle didn't have the best safety record I remember reading something from a sciency source a while back that the Buran was actually more powerful and advanced then our orbiter. It was capable of fully automated flight, and could carry a heavier payload. Yes, they had our shuttle blueprints, but they ended up taking a different approach entirely because (who would have guessed) they saw it's primary use to be for military purposes. |
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It honestly amazes me the number of sites in Russia / former Soviet countries where stuff is just left, like the workers dropped what they were doing and walked out. Are there sites like this in the US? Serious question View Quote There are occasional threads featuring abandoned US buildings like police stations or malls where everything was left behind to rot away |
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Space flight is dangerous. I think the Shuttle program performed quite well. Challenger was bureaucratic BS and 100% preventable. Columbia was less foreseeable/preventable I think. Compare Soyuz record to space shuttle, it is a little safer, fwiw How many pounds of cargo has Soyuz returned from orbit? 87 tons less. Different subject. And yet, there you were, bringing it up as if it were a relevant comparison. |
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Yeh, in 2001 was destroyed (that was the only one that ever flew) It was a copy of early space shuttle designs that were stolen after they were scrapped. Had it actually went into service It would have likely killed the cosmonauts, our own shuttle didn't have the best safety record View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If I remember correctly didn't the facility holding the Buran have a roof collapse and the orbiter was partially destroyed? Yeh, in 2001 was destroyed (that was the only one that ever flew) It was a copy of early space shuttle designs that were stolen after they were scrapped. Had it actually went into service It would have likely killed the cosmonauts, our own shuttle didn't have the best safety record The shuttle was redesigned because the Pentagon wanted the ability to deploy spy satellites in polar orbits. They had to increase the wing area so it could glide back to a US landing site. We never used the shuttle to do that, so it made the vehicle less efficient due to greater weight/drag. Buran worked alright, but the Soviets ran out of money for space programs when their country collapsed. |
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Sad. Imagine what would have been possible with the Russians and the West working together since WW2, rather than against each other. View Quote We advanced rapidly because of the competition with the USSR. Without a "boogie man" there is little pressure to develop spacecraft and weapon systems. Maned space flight is mostly still in the early 90's... Now if someone can figure out a viable business model to make money off space flight we will have warp drive in 20 year...(somewhat facetious statement don't beat me with physics) |
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There is the one that actually flew... once... manless... NASA tried that once too. http://www.jamesoberg.com/women.html |
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And yet, there you were, bringing it up as if it were a relevant comparison. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Space flight is dangerous. I think the Shuttle program performed quite well. Challenger was bureaucratic BS and 100% preventable. Columbia was less foreseeable/preventable I think. Compare Soyuz record to space shuttle, it is a little safer, fwiw How many pounds of cargo has Soyuz returned from orbit? 87 tons less. Different subject. And yet, there you were, bringing it up as if it were a relevant comparison. comparing safety records, yes. |
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They made the damn things out of (in part) WOOD?!?!
Fuuuuck... I found some other pictures, and those wooden pieces appear to be production, not some part of storage. They look like somebodies home built flight sim. |
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They made the damn things out of (in part) WOOD?!?! Fuuuuck... I found some other pictures, and those wooden pieces appear to be production, not some part of storage. They look like somebodies home built flight sim. View Quote Doesn't look like wood... more like sheets of thermal protection material. |
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Doesn't look like wood... more like sheets of thermal protection material. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They made the damn things out of (in part) WOOD?!?! Fuuuuck... I found some other pictures, and those wooden pieces appear to be production, not some part of storage. They look like somebodies home built flight sim. Doesn't look like wood... more like sheets of thermal protection material. Foam insulation of some sort, or a laminate. We use similar materials (honeycomb, etc.) in the cockpits of all aircraft. |
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Sort of sad to see all the wasted time, effort, and Rubbles that hulk represents.
The Russians have some smart people; they have a few decent universities and a interesting history, plus some are really driven. But, communism. And now: kleptocracy. |
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My driver, the first time I went to post-Soviet Russia, was a former Buran engineer.
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There is the one that actually flew... once... manless... How about the one that took off on a conventional runway with the help of booster rockets strapped to it ? Not kidding either. ETA, sorry not boosters. It had 4 turbines bolted to it. |
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Getting to see a shuttle up close as well as the facilities was awesome. I'd love to see the CCCP counterparts that remain.
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Ive seen a few factories here in the US that look like they just sent everyone home and locked the doors with personal effects still on desks and in locker rooms.
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Quoted: comparing safety records, yes. View Quote They just made a statement about safety without a parameter by parameter analysis. I remember doing such a thing a few years back when the shuttle was still flying, and at that number of launches, the safety records were remarkably similar depending on how you measured it. losses per launch. deaths per launch. deaths per man put in orbit. etc. These things matter as the space shuttle carries 7 people per launch. They also matter because in the rocket world, the total number of missions is not very great, so you can get wide varience in the record depending on when you did your safety comparison. At this point, I would guess that a slight edge would go to the Soyuz which is a much simpler vehicle. |
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If I remember correctly didn't the facility holding the Buran have a roof collapse and the orbiter was partially destroyed? Yeh, in 2001 was destroyed (that was the only one that ever flew) It was a copy of early space shuttle designs that were stolen after they were scrapped. Had it actually went into service It would have likely killed the cosmonauts, our own shuttle didn't have the best safety record Space flight is dangerous. I think the Shuttle program performed quite well. Challenger was bureaucratic BS and 100% preventable. Columbia was less foreseeable/preventable I think. Compare Soyuz record to space shuttle, it is a little safer, fwiw Yeah, there were probably a few accidents that were covered up |
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Say what you want but the Soviets had some pretty neat stuff.
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Wow, it's amazing they've stayed so well preserved in their original condition after so long.
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Wow, it's amazing they've stayed so well preserved in their original condition after so long. Yeah, fuck those commies. And fbho and putin right along with the old school commies and their eyebrow. |
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3,513,638: The weight in pounds of cargo that NASA's space shuttles have launched into orbit. That's more than half the payload weight of every single space launch in history since 1957 combined. 229,132: The amount of cargo (in pounds) that NASA's shuttles have returned to Earth from space through 2010. 198,728.5: The number of man-hours NASA shuttles spent in space during their 30-year history. That's about 8,280 days of manned spaceflight, NASA officials said. 20,830: The number of orbits of Earth completed by NASA shuttles before the last 13-day mission of Atlantisduring the STS-135 flight. Atlantis will add another 200 orbits to that tally. 3,000: The scorching hot temperatures (in Fahrenheit) experienced by NASA shuttles in the hottest moments of atmospheric re-entry during landing. 1,323: Number of days in space spent during NASA shuttle flights between April 1981 and July 2011. That includes the 13 days of the final shuttle flight, as well as the other 31,440 hours, 59 minutes and 33 seconds of all 134 other missions. 833: The total number of crewmembers of all 135 space shuttle missions, with some individuals riding multiple times and 14 astronauts killed during the Challenger and Columbia accidents. 789: The number of astronauts and cosmonauts who have returned to Earth on a NASA shuttle. Some spaceflyers actually launched into orbit on Russian Soyuz vehicles and returned home on a shuttle. 355: The actual number of individual astronauts and cosmonauts who have flown on the space shuttle. That breaks down to 306 men and 49 women hailing from 16 different countries. 234: The total number of days space shuttle astronauts spent at the International Space Station between 1998 and 2011, the construction phase of the orbiting laboratory. 180: The total number of satellites and other payloads, including components for the International Space Station, deployed by NASA space shuttles. 135: Total number of NASA space shuttle missions that will have flown between 1981 and 2011. NASA added the prefix of "STS" (Space Transportation System) to each shuttle mission. Of the 135 missions, 133 flights went as planned, with two ending in disaster. [Most Memorable Shuttle Missions] 52: The total number of satellites, space station components and other payloads returned from orbit on NASA shuttle missions. 37: The number of times a NASA shuttle has docked at the International Space Station during the outpost's lifetime. 14: The number of astronauts killed during the space shuttle Challenger accident of 1986 and Columbia accident in 2003. They are: (Challenger's STS-51-L Crew) Commander Francis "Dick" Scobee, pilot Mike Smith, mission specialists Judy Resnik, Ellison Onizuka and Ron McNair, and payload specialists Greg Jarvis and Christa McAuliffe; (Columbia's STS-107 Crew) Commander Rick Husband; pilot William McCool; mission specialists Michael Anderson, David Brown, Kalpana Chawla and Laurel Clark, and payload specialist Ilan Ramon, Israel's first astronaut. View Quote 'Murica. Fuck the commies. Every last one. |
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There is the one that actually flew... once... manless... I think that one is in Gorky Park. You used to be able to go in it and eat cosmonaut chow. Not sure if it's still open. |
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Quoted: Foam insulation of some sort, or a laminate. We use similar materials (honeycomb, etc.) in the cockpits of all aircraft. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They made the damn things out of (in part) WOOD?!?! Fuuuuck... I found some other pictures, and those wooden pieces appear to be production, not some part of storage. They look like somebodies home built flight sim. Doesn't look like wood... more like sheets of thermal protection material. Foam insulation of some sort, or a laminate. We use similar materials (honeycomb, etc.) in the cockpits of all aircraft. Maybe. Sure looks like it's chipping and wearing like wood of some sort, not a foam. (Back of the seats on either side of the pictures, not the overhead) |
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