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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:10:50 AM EST
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A few years ago not many thought we were going to start erasing Confederate memorials. Things more fast. This site is already under attack on multiple fronts. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:12:22 AM EST
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that's where I am. It is very easy to say "we wanted to stomp out THEIR free speech because we disagree with it." But once that precedent is set, it's very easy to then say "we want to stomp out ALL free speech that we disagree with." Anybody who thinks this will end at white supremacist sites is a fool. California for example has already attempted to make denying man made global warming a crime. How long before any site that doesn't recite the inconvenient narrative gets scrubbed from the web? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:19:13 AM EST
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OK. One more time for people who couldn't sit through the whole 4 minutes of a School House Rock animated short... The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1st amendment doesn't set well with some folks around here, unless they agree with you. This'll be good. The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:22:00 AM EST
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:24:07 AM EST
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The first amendment and free speech really just applies to govt. This is a private company making what could be a business decision, or maybe its just the personal opinion of whoever's in charge. As a free market supporter, I support their right to do what they wish. Their servers, their bandwidth, their business.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:32:32 AM EST
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OK. One more time for people who couldn't sit through the whole 4 minutes of a School House Rock animated short... The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1st amendment doesn't set well with some folks around here, unless they agree with you. This'll be good. The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Companies like google and the like can control what you see etc while proporting to offer you free access to the worlds information that is a lie. If a restaurant tells me they are serving chicken and are in fact serving turkey they are wrong. Also if that restaurant is so large it is the defacto only place to get chicken then there are other problems, anti trust problems. If that company uses grills paid for by the government and many other companies (like the hardware that is the internet) then it is another kind of problem. This is not nearly as simple as some store not letting you hang a stormfront banner in their front window. I need to think on it more. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:32:38 AM EST
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OP, no flame from me, I used to visit StormFront, ChimpOut, DU, 4chan and many other sites. I wasn't a member of any of them or support their views, I just like to visit them to see what is going on. More then just StormFront has been taken down. I think its good to know what others are doing or thinking, doesn't mean you support them.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:35:24 AM EST
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can you explain that bold part? Not nit-picking, I'm just unaware and want to learn. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:49:16 AM EST
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The first amendment and free speech really just applies to govt. This is a private company making what could be a business decision, or maybe its just the personal opinion of whoever's in charge. As a free market supporter, I support their right to do what they wish. Their servers, their bandwidth, their business. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:50:29 AM EST
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If you'll remove your hood for a moment, you might be surprised to learn that Obama has left the building. That kinda blows a hole in your ICANN = fedgov bs argument.
A private entity's behavior has precisely nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:51:04 AM EST
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Where is the ACLU of yesterday when you need them? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:52:03 AM EST
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If their viewpoints are wrong why do they need to be suppressed? Are we not able to draw our own conclusions as free thinking individuals? If my viewpoints don't align with yours or the masses then I need to be silenced? Me thinks the left is scared that their movement is growing, and the only reason their movement is growing is because of the actions of the left. Personally I think the Alt-Right has a lot of valid talking points that are hard to argue against, but go ahead and be like the LEFT and just call them NAZI's and KKK without actually taking the time to see the arguments they are presenting. Like a bunch of Panda's that won't fuck to save their own species. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:55:51 AM EST
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I'd much rather watch 88's and Antifags kill each other than watch the Mayweather/Mcgreggor fight. I'd easily pay $100 bucks to watch that.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:56:35 AM EST
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Their company, their rules. Same as when a bakery doesn't want to bake a gay wedding cake they should be able to deny service. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:01:02 AM EST
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I thought Jews were considered white? I'm not being a dick, seriously I thought this was all about skin color? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"White rights group" well not white Jews of course... No one is changing the rules. We ain't getting fucked once again. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:08:01 AM EST
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The first amendment and free speech really just applies to govt. This is a private company making what could be a business decision, or maybe its just the personal opinion of whoever's in charge. As a free market supporter, I support their right to do what they wish. Their servers, their bandwidth, their business. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:08:15 AM EST
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Hey, hey wait a minute.....Jews aren't White, Joos are Jews. All through history we got the shaft because we weren't white but now that cis gender whites are the target Jews are suddenly White? So we are going to get fucked again? No fucking way. Fuck that shit. Jews are a non white minority and Whitey is the devil this time, not the Joos. No one is changing the rules. We ain't getting fucked once again. As for me, I've just decided I don't really care. I'm white. You're, whatever. I don't care. But when someone tries to apply whatever nonsense baggage to me because of their own prejudices, I will, and am in fact highly inclined to tell them to eat a dick-Regardless of their skin tone, creed, national origin, religion, gender, non-gender, height, weight, or favorite fucking cereal. I'll continue to assess and value people solely on their abilities and mental capacity. And in keeping with my Sons of Apathy ethos, if someone doesn't like it, or me, whatever man. I will continue to abide by the silver rule. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:14:09 AM EST
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Lots of those alt righty tiki torch guys are white collar |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:18:06 AM EST
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Lots of people in this thread have never tried to transfer a domain twice in 60 days
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:18:27 AM EST
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I threw my tiki torches away. Now I garden party by led |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:19:16 AM EST
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Lots of people in this thread have never tried to transfer a domain twice in 30 days |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:20:58 AM EST
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Free speech exists even without the first amendment. The 1st just protects the right from government infringment. That's how I read it anyway. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:22:26 AM EST
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I.e. There's nothing going on except they're having trouble moving the site? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of people in this thread have never tried to transfer a domain twice in 30 days They move to B (google?) B says "hell no!" and disables them ICANN rules prevent another transfer for 60 days. Thats my guess anyway. Eta I may be confusing them with another idiot storm site. That whois says they registered in 95. Although cloudflare is still their dns provider listed, and yhey purportedly dropped them. Maybe theyre scrambling to find a host? DNS propigation lag? Who knows. I'd be surprised if their domain name was actually confiscated. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:23:53 AM EST
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It becomes a really interesting question when all forms of public discourse are controlled by private entities. Considering the high barriers to entry to market like internet searches, do anti-trust laws begin to apply? Three companies control the major platforms people use to access the internet - microsoft, apple and google. Do we simply give them the ability to control who gets on and what they do when they get there? As far as search engines, I don't use google as I disagree with supporting a company that did the electronic part of Hillary's campaign (technically it was Eric Schmidt's startup, but same thing IMO). I use Duckduckgo, as do many others. I also don't use any Apple products, and limited use of Microsoft's Windows 7 (I use Slackware Linux mainly) so they don't control me  .
But I will give in that MS is trying to pretty much emulate the borg 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:25:43 AM EST
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can you explain that bold part? Not nit-picking, I'm just unaware and want to learn. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:26:22 AM EST
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Goat said earlier in this thread that the FBI was monitoring this site and its users during the Obama administration. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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can you explain that bold part? Not nit-picking, I'm just unaware and want to learn. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:26:55 AM EST
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The first amendment and free speech really just applies to govt. This is a private company making what could be a business decision, or maybe its just the personal opinion of whoever's in charge. As a free market supporter, I support their right to do what they wish. Their servers, their bandwidth, their business. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:27:10 AM EST
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I'm literally happy to see the bad shit crazy left stick it to American Nazis. I hope they don't stop until the few dozen of them that actually exist are taken down. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:29:36 AM EST
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That's all fine and good, except the left thinks everyone right of them is a nazi, including you and me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm literally happy to see the bad shit crazy left stick it to American Nazis. I hope they don't stop until the few dozen of them that actually exist are taken down. I've been called a baby killer because I like guns. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:31:12 AM EST
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If you'll remove your hood for a moment, you might be surprised to learn that Obama has left the building. That kinda blows a hole in your ICANN = fedgov bs argument. A private entity's behavior has precisely nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Is ICANN a private company or a private company with a government granted near monopoly. PS nice inference that anyone who disagrees with this is the Klan. Nice to see that you fall back to leftist tactics. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:37:55 AM EST
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That's all fine and good, except the left thinks everyone right of them is a nazi, including you and me. By the time this is over, they'll be clamoring to take down CNN and calling them Nazis. The left is carefully weaving a nice long rope to hang themselves with. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:38:30 AM EST
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I'd much rather watch 88's and Antifags kill each other than watch the Mayweather/Mcgreggor fight. I'd easily pay $100 bucks to watch that. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:38:58 AM EST
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It becomes a really interesting question when all forms of public discourse are controlled by private entities. Considering the high barriers to entry to market like internet searches, do anti-trust laws begin to apply? Three companies control the major platforms people use to access the internet - microsoft, apple and google. Do we simply give them the ability to control who gets on and what they do when they get there? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:40:11 AM EST
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Google can stop you from speaking in public? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:40:43 AM EST
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LOL. Nope you're fucked dude. The lefties don't like Joos either. If you LOOK white, you ARE white. As for me, I've just decided I don't really care. I'm white. You're, whatever. I don't care. But when someone tries to apply whatever nonsense baggage to me because of their own prejudices, I will, and am in fact highly inclined to tell them to eat a dick-Regardless of their skin tone, creed, national origin, religion, gender, non-gender, height, weight, or favorite fucking cereal. I'll continue to assess and value people solely on their abilities and mental capacity. And in keeping with my Sons of Apathy ethos, if someone doesn't like it, or me, whatever man. I will continue to abide by the silver rule. Well, I respect people can say and publish what they want. And I do think that they are going after low hanging fruit and could very well go after sites like this if they feel emboldened. Fuck liberal, socialist assholes. Actions like this need to be taken seriously. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 11:01:45 AM EST
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Did the government shut them down? If not, this isn't a Freedom of Speech issue. Some of you need a fuckin' civics class. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Did the government shut them down? If not, this isn't a Freedom of Speech issue. Some of you need a fuckin' civics class. According to the National Consumer Law Center: Courts and state legislatures have long recognized that access to public utility service is a basic necessity in modern society. Public utilities are those utilities like electricity, natural gas, water and local phone service that serve the general public. Public utilities have a “duty to serve.” This means that utilities must provide service to any member of the public living within the utility’s service area who has applied for service and is willing to pay for the service and comply with the utility’s rules and regulations. The utility’s duty to serve is not absolute, however. A utility may deny service for good cause (e.g., nonpayment). It's a bit cloudy as to whether this falls under federal, state or local jurisdiction but the laws seem pretty consistent across the board. More info on the subject: http://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4595&context=law_lawreview https://www.puc.texas.gov/consumer/complaint/Rights.aspx http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-utility-company-shut-off-service-because-my-bankruptcy-filing.html https://www.psc.state.ms.us/executive/pdfs/2012/Service%20Rules.pdf ETA: Looks like this is getting a lot of discussion in legal circles as well: https://verdict.justia.com/2017/08/23/free-speech-issues-raised-internet-companies-denying-service-neo-nazi-sites |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 11:06:20 AM EST
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I wouldn't say the web is censored as long as there's still the dark net and many forums openly discuss drug/steroid use. Risque sites might have to pay more for hosting, but money makes things happen (and can cast morals aside). As far as search engines, I don't use google as I disagree with supporting a company that did the electronic part of Hillary's campaign (technically it was Eric Schmidt's startup, but same thing IMO). I use Duckduckgo, as do many others. I also don't use any Apple products, and limited use of Microsoft's Windows 7 (I use Slackware Linux mainly) so they don't control me .
But I will give in that MS is trying to pretty much emulate the borg http://i.imgur.com/IASnPT7.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It becomes a really interesting question when all forms of public discourse are controlled by private entities. Considering the high barriers to entry to market like internet searches, do anti-trust laws begin to apply? Three companies control the major platforms people use to access the internet - microsoft, apple and google. Do we simply give them the ability to control who gets on and what they do when they get there? As far as search engines, I don't use google as I disagree with supporting a company that did the electronic part of Hillary's campaign (technically it was Eric Schmidt's startup, but same thing IMO). I use Duckduckgo, as do many others. I also don't use any Apple products, and limited use of Microsoft's Windows 7 (I use Slackware Linux mainly) so they don't control me .
But I will give in that MS is trying to pretty much emulate the borg http://i.imgur.com/IASnPT7.jpg I can imagine it, a Borg cube filled with dead bodies and spinning endlessly in circles. It's like when Microsoft sponsored the "home of the future" at Disneyworld and nothing worked. They probably paid a lot for what amounted to negative publicity. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 11:13:51 AM EST
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I'm all about that 88!! Heil Dale Jr!!!! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152342/a250a0f8a7b2f36d032a3d8826dca59d-290558.JPG I do hope they figured out who was the whitest over there. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 11:19:39 AM EST
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Goat said earlier in this thread that the FBI was monitoring this site and its users during the Obama administration. Crazy shit for sure |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 11:35:42 AM EST
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LOL. Nope you're fucked dude. The lefties don't like Joos either. If you LOOK white, you ARE white. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 11:38:56 AM EST
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Huh, I missed that post. Crazy shit for sure Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Goat said earlier in this thread that the FBI was monitoring this site and its users during the Obama administration. Crazy shit for sure 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 11:39:59 AM EST
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Tried to login to my, uhhh, "research" account. Yeah, that's the ticket. I go there to mock them for being the Leftists they are, just like I do at DU. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 12:05:40 PM EST
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Where is the ACLU of yesterday when you need them? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 12:17:32 PM EST
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"DU got hacked, ha ha good riddance!" "Stormfront got shut down by their service provider, it's an outrage" |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 12:26:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: but when icann gets involved to stop it from finding a new home that is bs. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 12:27:57 PM EST
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I'm Sure the left sees no difference in this site and SF. I'm willing to bet some snowflake reports this site daily to anyone they can think of that can pull the cord.
So, where do we Arfcom peeps meet up if and when they pull our plug? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 12:28:20 PM EST
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So you're saying I shouldn't spend the money to renew my membership next time? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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During the Obama days, ARFCOM was listed as a "potential domestic terrorist" and watched heavily. This includes persons in positions and the most vocal folks. I spoke often to friends in the FBI and they confirmed. Nothing every happened, but to me, that is one step away from being raided/shut down. If Hillary had won, who knows where this place would be. 
Oh well, at least it was only $400, versus whatever they charge for a life membership now. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 12:29:51 PM EST
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Found the guy who doesn't understand how domains work or what "Terms of Service" mean... |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 12:32:15 PM EST
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Bro, serious? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/14/godaddy-bans-neo-nazi-site-daily-stormer-for-disparaging-woman-killed-at-charlottesville-rally/?utm_term=.79b13124f4a7 Google extradited it and burned it. Look at whois... look up the terms of transfer from just godaddy and ICANN, those two can hold a site in purgatory 10 daya at a time, over and over. In fact it looks like there was another "failed transfer" Yesterday, which would.have been 10 days since their transfer app would have been in.. they can keep delaying it.. and we haven't even mentioned Googles powers (not that they aren't pulling the levers behind the scenes) But hey its free market tho, right? Still not seeing anything about ICANN, but it really is a minor point of disagreement when we largely agree about not kicking people off the internet
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Posted: 8/26/2017 12:32:56 PM EST
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OK. One more time for people who couldn't sit through the whole 4 minutes of a School House Rock animated short... The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. 
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