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Posted: 11/15/2022 12:21:57 PM EDT
 Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 2 And yes it’s an EV thread…  
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Posted: 11/15/2022 12:23:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2022 12:35:39 PM EDT
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Bullshit
EVs are the future and we need to stop using oil. howdareyou.jpg |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 12:51:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2022 1:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit EVs are the future and we need to stop using oil. howdareyou.jpg Enjoy your New World Order.  |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 1:32:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2022 1:38:45 PM EDT
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#3 - Batteries are really lousy at storing energy.
#4 - Miracle batteries powerful enough to replace fossil fuels are a fantasy. #5 - We just don't have enough electricity for all electric cars. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 1:41:57 PM EDT
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Is this the guy who keeps building on the beach thinking this time it will be ok?
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Posted: 11/15/2022 1:50:54 PM EDT
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It's funny/sad/scary how this is all obvious to anyone with half a brain that puts 30 seconds of thought into it, but yet people keep talking like we are going to move to an all electric car future because the top levels of our government say so.
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Posted: 11/15/2022 1:57:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2022 1:57:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFucking LOL....and shamelessly stolen. 
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Posted: 11/15/2022 1:58:52 PM EDT
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Part one if anyone's interested.  Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part One |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 1:59:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2022 2:01:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou made a meme.....and he took it serious. He's already on Iron Man Mk0.1 
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:25:45 PM EDT
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I believe
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:27:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this the guy who keeps building on the beach thinking this time it will be ok? LOL what? |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enjoy your New World Order. Sarcasm? |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:32:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny/sad/scary how this is all obvious to anyone with half a brain that puts 30 seconds of thought into it, but yet people keep talking like we are going to move to an all electric car future because the top levels of our government say so. California Air Resources Board is banning new ICE cars in 2035, with a phase out that has already started. It will be interesting to watch this clusterfuck unfold. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:34:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: California Air Resources Board is banning new ICE cars in 2035, with a phase out that has already started. It will be interesting to watch this clusterfuck unfold. That will be entertaining. One thing that California has is plenty of electricity......... |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:43:00 PM EDT
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Just try to get a believer to take ten minutes and watch these vids. Not a chance.
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:46:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That will be entertaining. One thing that California has is plenty of electricity......... They already asked people to not charge their cars during a shortage. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe They are the best and brightest. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:51:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They already asked people to not charge their cars during a shortage. The Ministry of Plenty reports that electric rations have been increased from 5 kWh to 4 kWh. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:54:04 PM EDT
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Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used.
In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? ETA, I’m doing this on the fly, but quick and dirty math shows a Tesla 3 averages 3 cents per mile, while an Accord averages 9 cents per mile at todays KS prices. It was <7 cents per mile under Trump. But that’s under ideal highway conditions. What if it’s 14 degrees like it was this morning? Or you lived somewhere hilly? Which do you think has the higher range degradation from changes in conditions? I’m guessing it’s closer to 2-3 cents per mile difference then. When I had a Prius for work, I was averaging 48-50 mpg. That’s 7 cents per mile under real world conditions. Getting 5.6 cpm on my real world highway trips. And I can fill up in five minutes, anywhere, for <$35 in todays costs. Just saying. There’s near parity in cost of ownership. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:54:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just try to get a believer to take ten minutes and watch these vids. Not a chance. I own an EV and watched both part 1 and part 2. Part 1 was all about the "green" aspect of EV's, I didn't disagree with anything they said but I didn't buy mine because I cared about the environment. Part 2 the EV / Wind / Solar push is retarded, we should let the market decide what type of vehicle they want to drive and should be building nuke plants like crazy. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:55:14 PM EDT
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Yep, a super heavy electric vehicle won't work well and I'm not sure the battery tech will improve enough to reconsider. Even if it did, the amount of strip mines and slave labor is conveniently left out. I might consider a mid-drive e-bike, but that's about it......a 9500lb E-Hummer
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:56:53 PM EDT
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Two possibilities I see.
This no ICE by 2035 is virtue signaling bullshit and will be pushed back or eliminated as it’s expedient to do so. Or, They plan to bring our civilization to its knees. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:01:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit EVs are the future and we need to stop using oil. howdareyou.jpg Yes, stop using oil.........stop using asphalt streets, plastics, cell phones, laptops, lots of medicines, syringes, Glocks, Sigs, AR15's, Glasses, skateboards, you name it..... |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:09:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, stop using oil.........stop using asphalt streets, plastics, cell phones, laptops, lots of medicines, syringes, Glocks, Sigs, AR15's, Glasses, skateboards, you name it..... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bullshit EVs are the future and we need to stop using oil. howdareyou.jpg Yes, stop using oil.........stop using asphalt streets, plastics, cell phones, laptops, lots of medicines, syringes, Glocks, Sigs, AR15's, Glasses, skateboards, you name it..... We can make that stuff out of unicorn farts STOP THE OIL!!!!!! |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two possibilities I see. This no ICE by 2035 is virtue signaling bullshit and will be pushed back or eliminated as it’s expedient to do so. Or, They plan to bring our civilization to its knees. I think the second part is what they really want |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:10:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? I looked into something similar at one time with my Audi. While it costs you, and the electric vehicle, less per mile than it costs me to drive I found it is worth it to me to enjoy what I drive and enjoy my drive rather than drive a soulless electric vehicle. I get all the things I can't have in an electric vehicle. The things that make gearheads love cars. I actually like looking back at my car when I park it. When Cali bans ICE vehicles in 2035 I'll have to go down there with my pickup, burn gas at about 2MPG while doing big smokey burnouts and give them the middle finger out of what will be a 49 year old pickup when that happens. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:11:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles You could get a Mach E for $47k, or $39,500 after rebate. Slightly larger (I think) and faster, though Im not a fan of calling a CUV a mustang but size wise is a fair comparison. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles Do apples to apples man. Compare an $33,000 rav4 to a comparably priced EV... say a Kia e-Niro, Hyundai Kona, or a VW ID.4 which are all in the mid 30K range. Compare a $60K EV like a mid-high end Tesla to an equivalent Mercedes. ... I can definitely tell you between a $140k Taycan and an equivalently priced 911... the Taycan costs about 1/8th what the 911 does to operate per mile.
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could get a Mach E for $47k, or $39,500 after rebate. Slightly larger (I think) and faster, though Im not a fan of calling a CUV a mustang but size wise is a fair comparison. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles You could get a Mach E for $47k, or $39,500 after rebate. Slightly larger (I think) and faster, though Im not a fan of calling a CUV a mustang but size wise is a fair comparison. beat
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:33:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: beat Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles You could get a Mach E for $47k, or $39,500 after rebate. Slightly larger (I think) and faster, though Im not a fan of calling a CUV a mustang but size wise is a fair comparison. beat You were slow but did better work, I was the kid in lab who was like 80% answer and Im out bitches
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:48:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do apples to apples man. Compare an $33,000 rav4 to a comparably priced EV... say a Kia e-Niro, Hyundai Kona, or a VW ID.4 which are all in the mid 30K range. Compare a $60K EV like a mid-high end Tesla to an equivalent Mercedes. ... I can definitely tell you between a $140k Taycan and an equivalently priced 911... the Taycan costs about 1/8th what the 911 does to operate per mile. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles Do apples to apples man. Compare an $33,000 rav4 to a comparably priced EV... say a Kia e-Niro, Hyundai Kona, or a VW ID.4 which are all in the mid 30K range. Compare a $60K EV like a mid-high end Tesla to an equivalent Mercedes. ... I can definitely tell you between a $140k Taycan and an equivalently priced 911... the Taycan costs about 1/8th what the 911 does to operate per mile. My bicycle is cheaper per mile than your Taycan or 911.....equivalent achieved.
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:50:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My bicycle is cheaper per mile than your Taycan or 911.....equivalent achieved. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles Do apples to apples man. Compare an $33,000 rav4 to a comparably priced EV... say a Kia e-Niro, Hyundai Kona, or a VW ID.4 which are all in the mid 30K range. Compare a $60K EV like a mid-high end Tesla to an equivalent Mercedes. ... I can definitely tell you between a $140k Taycan and an equivalently priced 911... the Taycan costs about 1/8th what the 911 does to operate per mile. My bicycle is cheaper per mile than your Taycan or 911.....equivalent achieved. If you think about it... muscles operate by electrical impulses... So bicycles are EV's.
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You were slow but did better work, I was the kid in lab who was like 80% answer and Im out bitches Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles You could get a Mach E for $47k, or $39,500 after rebate. Slightly larger (I think) and faster, though Im not a fan of calling a CUV a mustang but size wise is a fair comparison. beat You were slow but did better work, I was the kid in lab who was like 80% answer and Im out bitches 
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:53:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit EVs are the future and we need to stop using oil. howdareyou.jpg Yeah? How about you stop telling the rest of us whats good for us. The more oil we use the better. Those like you who dont want to use oil, go stand in the corner and freeze. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah? How about you stop telling the rest of us whats good for us. The more oil we use the better. Those like you who dont want to use oil, go stand in the corner and freeze. You know about sarcasm? |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:55:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you think about it... muscles operate by electrical impulses... So bicycles are EV's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles Do apples to apples man. Compare an $33,000 rav4 to a comparably priced EV... say a Kia e-Niro, Hyundai Kona, or a VW ID.4 which are all in the mid 30K range. Compare a $60K EV like a mid-high end Tesla to an equivalent Mercedes. ... I can definitely tell you between a $140k Taycan and an equivalently priced 911... the Taycan costs about 1/8th what the 911 does to operate per mile. My bicycle is cheaper per mile than your Taycan or 911.....equivalent achieved. If you think about it... muscles operate by electrical impulses... So bicycles are EV's. Do I have to unplug myself now? 
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Posted: 11/15/2022 5:57:35 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do I have to unplug myself now? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/234t8c-2601172.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Plus, if you do the math, most EV’s don’t save you that much money in energy used. In KS this month, the average cost per residential kWh is $0.1254. So that Hummer EV, with a 200 kWh battery, that took 225 kWh’s to charge over how ever many hours, the cost per, assuming a realistic range of 250 miles, looks like this. 225kWh x $0.1254 = $28.22. 28.22/250 = $0.113 per mile. My car holds 13 gallons. 13YO x average fuel cost of $3.39 = $44.07. I get between 350 and 390 miles a tank. So let’s say $44.07/370 miles. $0.119 per mile. And that’s for more range. My cost to go 250 miles is $29.77. Or, $1.55 more than the EV Hummer. I understand that smaller batteries cost less to charge, but I have an AWD, and there are higher mpg cars out there. If I had info on a Camry or Accord, vs. a mid range Tesla, or a Prius vs a Leaf, I’d bet it’s similar. Factor in differences in cost of acquisition and I’d bet IC beats EV. My point is, cost per mile to operate savings is not as drastic as the Left would pretend. Plus, I can put a new engine in an Accord for ~2K. What’s a new battery pack for a Tesla going for? IF you can get it? my rav4 Cost $33,000 An EV is $60,000 I think right now I can buy a lot of gas with $27,000 About 230,000 miles Do apples to apples man. Compare an $33,000 rav4 to a comparably priced EV... say a Kia e-Niro, Hyundai Kona, or a VW ID.4 which are all in the mid 30K range. Compare a $60K EV like a mid-high end Tesla to an equivalent Mercedes. ... I can definitely tell you between a $140k Taycan and an equivalently priced 911... the Taycan costs about 1/8th what the 911 does to operate per mile. My bicycle is cheaper per mile than your Taycan or 911.....equivalent achieved. If you think about it... muscles operate by electrical impulses... So bicycles are EV's. Do I have to unplug myself now? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/234t8c-2601172.jpg Rofl |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 6:04:20 PM EDT
[#43]
At least I’ll get some sweet overtime when the grid starts going down.
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Posted: 11/15/2022 6:06:28 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least I’ll get some sweet overtime when the grid starts going down. When COVID came out and lock downs happened. My buddy got sequestered to run the real time desk. The parked a trailer on the lot and told him he couldnt leave. 3 weeks of straight 24/7 pay at OT rates, he remodeled his house with a single pay check
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Posted: 11/15/2022 6:11:09 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When COVID came out and lock downs happened. My buddy got sequestered to run the real time desk. The parked a trailer on the lot and told him he couldnt leave. 3 weeks of straight 24/7 pay at OT rates, he remodeled his house with a single pay check Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least I’ll get some sweet overtime when the grid starts going down. When COVID came out and lock downs happened. My buddy got sequestered to run the real time desk. The parked a trailer on the lot and told him he couldnt leave. 3 weeks of straight 24/7 pay at OT rates, he remodeled his house with a single pay check Sweet gig if you can get it. At the beginning of COVID I got paid ten hours a day to sit at a substation just in case something happened. Nothing ever happened the entire month I did that. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 6:12:20 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet gig if you can get it. At the beginning of COVID I got paid ten hours a day to sit at a substation just in case something happened. Nothing ever happened the entire month I did that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At least I’ll get some sweet overtime when the grid starts going down. When COVID came out and lock downs happened. My buddy got sequestered to run the real time desk. The parked a trailer on the lot and told him he couldnt leave. 3 weeks of straight 24/7 pay at OT rates, he remodeled his house with a single pay check Sweet gig if you can get it. At the beginning of COVID I got paid ten hours a day to sit at a substation just in case something happened. Nothing ever happened the entire month I did that. Were they worried the transformers might get sick?
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Posted: 11/15/2022 6:14:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Were they worried the transformers might get sick? Haha kinda yeah. They must’ve been vaxxed though. They made it through just fine. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 6:15:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet gig if you can get it. At the beginning of COVID I got paid ten hours a day to sit at a substation just in case something happened. Nothing ever happened the entire month I did that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At least I’ll get some sweet overtime when the grid starts going down. When COVID came out and lock downs happened. My buddy got sequestered to run the real time desk. The parked a trailer on the lot and told him he couldnt leave. 3 weeks of straight 24/7 pay at OT rates, he remodeled his house with a single pay check Sweet gig if you can get it. At the beginning of COVID I got paid ten hours a day to sit at a substation just in case something happened. Nothing ever happened the entire month I did that. LOL what, why? Are you a tech? Was this some weird form of social distancing? |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 6:16:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two possibilities I see. This no ICE by 2035 is virtue signaling bullshit and will be pushed back or eliminated as it’s expedient to do so. Or, They plan to bring our civilization to its knees. Their goal is #2. They have been saying it since Agenda 21 and nobody is listening. |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 6:19:24 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny/sad/scary how this is all obvious to anyone with half a brain that puts 30 seconds of thought into it, but yet people keep talking like we are going to move to an all electric car future because the top levels of our government say so. Biden ordered the defense department to start researching convert to electric |
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