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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:37:16 PM EST
After the Benchmade debacle I figured I'd poke around on some of the other brands I had assumed were pro 2A.

Official PAC Name:
THE SUREFIRE PAC
Location: FOUNTAIN VALLEY, CA 92708
Industry: Misc Manufacturing & Distributing; Fabricated metal products
Treasurer: HOWARD, DOUG
FEC Committee ID: C00464768

Donations from Surefire LLC (PAC)

2010 - $4,800 to Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) (Link - https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00464768&cycle=2010)
2012 - $5,000 to Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) (Link - https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2012&cmte=C00464768)
2014 - $556 to Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) (Link - https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00464768&cycle=2014)
2018 - $500 to DNC Services Corp (here and here)

Summary - Over $10k to House Representative Loretta Sanchez

Bills Sponsored or Co-Sponsored by Loretta Sanchez (D-CA)

H.R.2324 - Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2009
111th Congress (2009-2010)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/2324

H.R.308 - Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act
112th Congress (2011-2012)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/308

H.R.752 - Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act
114th Congress (2015-2016)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/752

H.R.1217 - Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act of 2015
114th Congress (2015-2016)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/1217

H.R.3411 - Fix Gun Checks Act of 2015
114th Congress (2015-2016)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3411
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:38:04 PM EST
[#1]
Any progun donations?
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[#2]
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:38:44 PM EST
[#3]
Fuck.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:39:18 PM EST
[#4]
Follow the $
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:39:18 PM EST
[#5]
Goddamn

Wonder if Streamlight is that bad?
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:39:33 PM EST
[#6]
This for real?
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:39:34 PM EST
[#7]
Fuck surefire anyways for their black friday bullshit. But good find!
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:40:08 PM EST
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This for real?
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Yes
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:40:22 PM EST
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Goddamn

Wonder if Streamlight is that bad?
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This

In for the Streamlight dive
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:40:32 PM EST
[#10]
Lol at the $556 donation to the democrats
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:40:37 PM EST
[#11]
Good post OP
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:40:43 PM EST
[#12]
Not surprised
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:41:13 PM EST
[#13]
On the one hand I understand they are trying to grease the wheels, but they don't seem to understand how this will come back to bite them in the balls.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:41:15 PM EST
[#14]
Well fuck.

I use surefire suppressors...cant exactly cut it up and get something else over night.

Fuck them though.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:41:19 PM EST
[#15]
Is this just a greasing of the local politician, or ideological support?
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:41:26 PM EST
[#16]
What happened between 2012 and 2014?
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:41:34 PM EST
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This

In for the Streamlight dive
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I just want to see a link for the TLR-VIR 2 in stock
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:41:37 PM EST
[#18]
ALLTHELUMENS
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:41:52 PM EST
[#19]
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Any progun donations?
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Some R donations, but that doesn't mean progun
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:41:59 PM EST
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I have never owned any of their products.

I will continue my boycott.....
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:42:33 PM EST
[#21]
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Any progun donations?
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This question.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:42:39 PM EST
[#22]
I will pay $20+ shipping for any surefire weapon that is in working condition.

$35 + shipping if it includes IR capabilities.

You don’t want your buddies at the gun range to think you are a commie do you?
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:42:44 PM EST
[#23]
they seem overpriced for flashlights anyway IMO
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:42:54 PM EST
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Good post OP
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Very good post.  I'm going to start looking more into brands that I purchase and see who they support.  It's one way to fight the left, cut off money to them.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:43:08 PM EST
[#25]


I have a feeling this will NOT end well.

Remember, lots of these companies compete for .gov contracts.

This will not end in any positive way, dude.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:43:52 PM EST
[#26]
Works for me. Bring every single one of these companies that are run by traitorous fucks out into the light.
I don't care if I'm stuck with one single manufacturer to shop with, I won't shop at places that give our money away to gun grabbers.

Keep'em coming boys!

Good job OP.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:44:09 PM EST
[#27]
Quoted:
After the Benchmade debacle I figured I'd poke around on some of the other brands I had assumed were pro 2A.

Official PAC Name:
THE SUREFIRE PAC
Location: FOUNTAIN VALLEY, CA 92708
Industry: Misc Manufacturing & Distributing; Fabricated metal products
Treasurer: HOWARD, DOUG
FEC Committee ID: C00464768

Donations from Surefire LLC (PAC)

2010 - $4,800 to Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) (Link - https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00464768&cycle=2010)
2012 - $5,000 to Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) (Link - https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2012&cmte=C00464768)
2014 - $556 to Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) (Link - https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00464768&cycle=2014)
2018 - $500 to DNC Services Corp (here and here)

Summary - Over $10k to House Representative Loretta Sanchez

Bills Sponsored or Co-Sponsored by Loretta Sanchez (D-CA)

H.R.2324 - Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2009
111th Congress (2009-2010)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/2324

H.R.308 - Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act
112th Congress (2011-2012)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/308

H.R.752 - Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act
114th Congress (2015-2016)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/752

H.R.1217 - Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act of 2015
114th Congress (2015-2016)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/1217

H.R.3411 - Fix Gun Checks Act of 2015
114th Congress (2015-2016)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3411
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OST
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:44:28 PM EST
[#28]
Well that sucks.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:45:18 PM EST
[#29]
Ooohhhhh fuuuddddgggeeee
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:45:21 PM EST
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they seem overpriced for flashlights anyway IMO
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If Streamlght can ensure they build a reputation of durability they may have a shot being seen as equals.

If Streamlght can make a 1,000 lumen WML for handguns that has a shorter/lower profile than a x300u, I'd pop a low light poner.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:46:43 PM EST
[#31]
Stuff like this is why I bought my Team Wendy helmet second hand.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:46:46 PM EST
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So surefire wont get any of my money now, streamlight seems to have questionable reliability. So who else is there to buy weapon lights from?
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:47:08 PM EST
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Wow.  It really is amazing how many gun stuff companies are donating to anti gun people.

Makes you really wonder, doesn't it?

I have one surefire product and I'll keep it, but I'm not going to buy anything else from them.

Been spreading the word around about benchmade, will spread the word about surefire.  I am my friend's gun/knife nerd and they do listen to me a lot when they ask what they should buy.....and they are educated about the perils of leftist agenda (and pissed about it).
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:47:53 PM EST
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Is this just a greasing of the local politician, or ideological support?
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Does it matter?

Either way they are paying for the privileged of future anti gun laws.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:47:53 PM EST
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I have a feeling this will NOT end well.

Remember, lots of these companies compete for .gov contracts.

This will not end in any positive way, dude.
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I've stated that supposedly supporting the 2nd Amendment but still working hard for those contracts with the very folks that want to take the 2nd Amendment away from us is a bad option.

I'm curious where Magpul donates too. They pulled out of Colorado but still work hard to sell to places like the UK, Australia, and various locations in the US that are anti gun.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:48:12 PM EST
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That's disappointing.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:48:13 PM EST
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I thought Fix NICS was a pro-gun bill, now that Trump's signed off on it?
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:48:44 PM EST
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So surefire wont get any of my money now, streamlight seems to have questionable reliability. So who else is there to buy weapon lights from?
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Inforce

Elzetta

O-light

The don't have the same wide spread holster compatibility as Surefire and Streamlight, but you can still find holsters for them.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:49:02 PM EST
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If Streamlght can ensure they build a reputation of durability they may have a shot being seen as equals.

If Streamlght can make a 1,000 lumen WML for handguns that has a shorter/lower profile than a x300u, I'd pop a low light poner.
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The tlr1 at 800 lumen IS smaller than the x300u.  Sure you lose 200 lumen, but 800 is stupid bright as it is.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:49:56 PM EST
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Inforce

Elzetta

O-light

The don't have the same wide spread holster compatibility as Surefire and Streamlight, but you can still find holsters for them.
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Thank you, I will check those out.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:50:18 PM EST
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Thanks for the information Undefined!
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:50:23 PM EST
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I've used Streamlights on my handguns and have had no complaints.  I was issued a TLR-1HL at work and it's pretty damn bright.
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The tlr1 at 800 lumen IS smaller than the x300u.  Sure you lose 200 lumen, but 800 is stupid bright as it is.
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If Streamlght can ensure they build a reputation of durability they may have a shot being seen as equals.

If Streamlght can make a 1,000 lumen WML for handguns that has a shorter/lower profile than a x300u, I'd pop a low light poner.
The tlr1 at 800 lumen IS smaller than the x300u.  Sure you lose 200 lumen, but 800 is stupid bright as it is.
Yes but I can dream that it has a slightly lower profile.

I actually am impressed with the TLR7.

It has a nice beam pattern and intensity for being fairly small.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:51:17 PM EST
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This is how you grease wheels, they are supporting the enemy.  Again, if they are going to pay people to ass fuck you vs. just ass fucking you personally whats the difference?

balanced wheel greasing - raytheon
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:52:08 PM EST
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Wow.  It really is amazing how many gun stuff companies are donating to anti gun people.

Makes you really wonder, doesn't it?

I have one surefire product and I'll keep it, but I'm not going to buy anything else from them.

Been spreading the word around about benchmade, will spread the word about surefire.  I am my friend's gun/knife nerd and they do listen to me a lot when they ask what they should buy.....and they are educated about the perils of leftist agenda (and pissed about it).
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It really isn't that surprising to see a number of gun companies donate to anti-gun politicians. The reason why is because they are in it for government contracts. That is their bread and butter. The idea of there being an industry that only caters to the civilian Market doesn't mean a large profit margin for them since politically there is a constant attack on that industry.

Even the NSSF, which is the representative lobbying group for the Firearms industry has openly and actively supported the bump stock ban and even backs Universal background checks. In the past they stated they would not do any business in a city that is anti-gun. But now with Las Vegas and Nevada becoming anti-gun due to recent elections they have backtracked on that statement and are stating that they are staying in Las Vegas for future shows.

Money is a very powerful corrupting tool.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:52:32 PM EST
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Thank you, I will check those out.
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Arisaka scout bodies with malkoff heads

Superior to the surefire counterpart anyway!
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:52:33 PM EST
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the BIG mistake many people make, is assuming that a firearms manf or firearms related product manuf is actually pro 2A.
To many of them, its just a lucrative business, nothing more and they will lick whatever boot that helps kick the can down the road.
I have close family, that are a medium sized online firearms dealer, which are flaming anti-gun liberals!
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:52:59 PM EST
[#48]
Switch to Klarus then.

Fenix Lights Vs. Surefire ?

Scroll down to see DontShootMyDog's testimonial on page 2

Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:53:16 PM EST
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I suspect every company that does business with anything government contracts has invested in anti-gun/anti-freedom over the years just to grease the skids.  Payola in another name, just a matter of how butthurt the proletariat gets from those actions.
Link Posted: 2/21/2019 4:53:31 PM EST
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It really isn't that surprising to see a number of gun companies donate to anti-gun politicians. The reason why is because they are in it for government contracts. That is their bread and butter. The idea of there being an industry that only caters to the civilian Market doesn't mean a large profit margin for them since politically there is a constant attack on that industry.

Even the NSSF, which is the representative lobbying group for the Firearms industry has openly and actively supported the bump stock ban and even backs Universal background checks. In the past they stated they would not do any business in a city that is anti-gun. But now with Las Vegas and Nevada becoming anti-gun due to recent elections they have backtracked on that statement and are stating that they are staying in Las Vegas for future shows.

Money is a very powerful corrupting tool.
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You make a good point.
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