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Quoted: I mean.. any legit organization could get a lot of shit done operating under the Taliban's ROE. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Taliban is better at the war on drugs I mean.. any legit organization could get a lot of shit done operating under the Taliban's ROE. That would be shariah. |
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Quoted: The Taliban have done it again: implementing a nearly complete ban against cultivation of opium poppy Afghanistan's most important agricultural product repeating their similarly successful 2000-2001 prohibition on the crop. But the temptation to view the current ban in an overly positive light as an important global counter-narcotics victory must be avoided. This is particularly true given the state of Afghanistan's economy and the country's humanitarian situation. Indeed, the ban imposes huge economic and humanitarian costs on Afghans and it is likely to further stimulate an outflow of refugees. It may even result in internal challenges for the Taliban itself. And, in the long run, it will not have lasting counter-narcotics benefits within Afghanistan or globally. View Quote https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/06/talibans-successful-opium-ban-bad-afghans-and-world View Quote One can only imagine what a country literally swimming in billions of US armaments will do if things really start going south because of that. |
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Quoted: We could be better at it too if we secured the border and rounded up all Cartel members that have spread out amongst the states. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Taliban is better at the war on drugs We could be better at it too if we secured the border and rounded up all Cartel members that have spread out amongst the states. @110 The FBI/BATFE doesn’t have the bandwidth to go after both American gun owners/traditional conservatives and the drug cartels. |
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Quoted: But they are an Olympic-class mental gymnast. If spin journalism had a floor show, this article would be cirque du soleil View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Whoever wrote that article is a complete fucking putz But they are an Olympic-class mental gymnast. If spin journalism had a floor show, this article would be cirque du soleil Well yeah. It was written by literally feds. |
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China is good at business. Google says that fentanyl is 50x as strong as opium. Seems like it would be much cheaper to ship. Cut opium supply to the world market should drive up the fentanyl market. Win/Win for China.
I don't think opium is difficult to produce, but milking a flower is probably pretty damn labor intensive. Imagine milking flowers - about 25k flowers per acre. Each flower might need to be milked 5 times. News article math is rarely correct, but an article mentioned 438,000 acres of poppies, yielding 650 tons of opium. That would be 3lbs of opium per acre (which does not require all that much processing), another mentioned that converting would yield about 10% raw heroin. So 100k flower milkings would net your .3lbs of raw heroin - that would still need processing before retail sale. Seems pretty labor intensive, but worth about $20k (at $15 per .1gram). Of course my math could be fucked, or the articles wrong. Given the amount of processing, the markups, etc - that poor farmer is not making shit. One article mentioned that the day laborers who do the harvest can make $10/day. You have to find truly special places to get labor rates like that. |
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Quoted: China is good at business. Google says that fentanyl is 50x as strong as opium. Seems like it would be much cheaper to ship. Cut opium supply to the world market should drive up the fentanyl market. Win/Win for China. I don't think opium is difficult to produce, but milking a flower is probably pretty damn labor intensive. Imagine milking flowers - about 25k flowers per acre. Each flower might need to be milked 5 times. News article math is rarely correct, but an article mentioned 438,000 acres of poppies, yielding 650 tons of opium. That would be 3lbs of opium per acre (which does not require all that much processing), another mentioned that converting would yield about 10% raw heroin. So 100k flower milkings would net your .3lbs of raw heroin - that would still need processing before retail sale. Seems pretty labor intensive, but worth about $20k (at $15 per .1gram). Of course my math could be fucked, or the articles wrong. Given the amount of processing, the markups, etc - that poor farmer is not making shit. One article mentioned that the day laborers who do the harvest can make $10/day. You have to find truly special places to get labor rates like that. View Quote Places like Helmand Province, the Golden Triangle or rural Mexico. |
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Ah yes, we should support the global illegal drug trade because some illiterate farmers who think we're the Russians may be upset.
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Chinese fentanyl smuggled across the southern border will make up for any supply shortages
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Quoted: That was a founding myth. The Taliban exists because the ISI made them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Thats one of the reasons the taliban exists, They were "anti boy rape" That was a founding myth. The Taliban exists because the ISI made them. The 'Founding Fathers' exist because the French made them. The Russian Communist Party existed because the Germans made them. See? Just because something was 'made' (ie given financial and material backing) by an external player doesn't mean that the thing can't become its own independently operating thing. |
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Quoted: @Riter Absolutely. They will either ship the final product, Fentanyl or an analog (Carfentanyl is 100 times more potent than Fentanyl), or ship the last two precursors and the cartel chemists complete the last step. When manufacturing a chemical, you have a choice of how far back you will start, and this will determine what chemicals you need to acquire to get there. The DEA will watch precursor chemicals to make it harder for you to manufacture, so you have to start further back to make precursors chemicals yourself, even having to make precursor, precursors. For Fentanyl, there are four main manufacturing methods. An example of one of them is below: Fentanyl, 1-phenethyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine 1) The synthesis of fentanyl is accomplished beginning with 1-benzylpiperidin-4-one (3.1.48), which is condensed with aniline to form the corresponding Schiff base (3.1.59). 2) The double bond in this product is reduced by lithium aluminum hydride, 3) and the resulting 1-benzyl-4-anilinopiperidine (3.1.60) is acylated using propionic acid anhydride. 3) The resulting 1-benzyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.61) undergoes debenzylation using hydrogen and a palladium on carbon catalyst, to give 4-N-propanoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.62), 4) which is N-alkylated by 2-phenylethylchloride, to give fentanyl (3.1.63) [39,40]. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_9129-2922512.jpg You are already starting off with some more complex chemicals that may be watched by authorities. You will need to purify the product after each step. This is an advanced organic synthesis. I have a degree in chemistry, and in my senior year this would have been possible but definitely a challenge, and I would have needed all the precursor chemicals already at my disposal, within a well-stocked laboratory. Also, the final product, Fentanyl, is so potent that you have to be careful not to inhale any of it so you need to work under a negative pressure chemical hood or wear a chemical filter mask. You would need one of the latter during the manufacture anyway due to the chemicals you would be using. China is likely giving the last two ingredients for some degree of plausible deniability. They may even have a deal where they sell them at a steep discount. The goal of the Chinese government is to corrode U.S. society. They want to kill as many of our youth as possible. Contrast this with the manufacture of Methamphetamine. It’s literally a one-step, maybe two-step process of reducing the hydroxyl group to hydrogen on the pseudoephedrine or ephedrine molecule. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_9130-2922520.jpg All you need, as an example, is ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, then red phosphorus (the dark striking surface on match boxes) and elemental iodine (you can buy this at several places online or make it easily from Potassium Iodide). This is why it’s not easy to buy red phosphorus (it’s the much safer allotrope of phosphorus produced by heating white phosphorus in the absence of air), and why pseudoephedrine is now behind the counter at pharmacies. They’ve also added chemicals that make it difficult to separate pseudoephedrine from the rest of the ingredients in tablets in the U.S. So the Chinese government sells pseudoephedrine by the ton to the Mexican drug cartels and they in turn manufacture Methamphetamine by the ton. It’s far, far easier to make than Fentanyl. This is why Methamphetamine manufacture went south of the border. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: @Riter Fentanyl is 100% synthetic. Same as Demerol and Propoxyphene. Morphine and Codeine are 100% natural and make up a percentage of opium. Heroin (diacetylmorphine) is semi-synthetic. Start with a natural opioid and modify it to be more potent. Same as Dilauded, oxycodone, etc. @c-4 - So Chynuh is shipping the chemicals to the cartels to make the stuff? @Riter Absolutely. They will either ship the final product, Fentanyl or an analog (Carfentanyl is 100 times more potent than Fentanyl), or ship the last two precursors and the cartel chemists complete the last step. When manufacturing a chemical, you have a choice of how far back you will start, and this will determine what chemicals you need to acquire to get there. The DEA will watch precursor chemicals to make it harder for you to manufacture, so you have to start further back to make precursors chemicals yourself, even having to make precursor, precursors. For Fentanyl, there are four main manufacturing methods. An example of one of them is below: Fentanyl, 1-phenethyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine 1) The synthesis of fentanyl is accomplished beginning with 1-benzylpiperidin-4-one (3.1.48), which is condensed with aniline to form the corresponding Schiff base (3.1.59). 2) The double bond in this product is reduced by lithium aluminum hydride, 3) and the resulting 1-benzyl-4-anilinopiperidine (3.1.60) is acylated using propionic acid anhydride. 3) The resulting 1-benzyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.61) undergoes debenzylation using hydrogen and a palladium on carbon catalyst, to give 4-N-propanoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.62), 4) which is N-alkylated by 2-phenylethylchloride, to give fentanyl (3.1.63) [39,40]. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_9129-2922512.jpg You are already starting off with some more complex chemicals that may be watched by authorities. You will need to purify the product after each step. This is an advanced organic synthesis. I have a degree in chemistry, and in my senior year this would have been possible but definitely a challenge, and I would have needed all the precursor chemicals already at my disposal, within a well-stocked laboratory. Also, the final product, Fentanyl, is so potent that you have to be careful not to inhale any of it so you need to work under a negative pressure chemical hood or wear a chemical filter mask. You would need one of the latter during the manufacture anyway due to the chemicals you would be using. China is likely giving the last two ingredients for some degree of plausible deniability. They may even have a deal where they sell them at a steep discount. The goal of the Chinese government is to corrode U.S. society. They want to kill as many of our youth as possible. Contrast this with the manufacture of Methamphetamine. It’s literally a one-step, maybe two-step process of reducing the hydroxyl group to hydrogen on the pseudoephedrine or ephedrine molecule. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_9130-2922520.jpg All you need, as an example, is ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, then red phosphorus (the dark striking surface on match boxes) and elemental iodine (you can buy this at several places online or make it easily from Potassium Iodide). This is why it’s not easy to buy red phosphorus (it’s the much safer allotrope of phosphorus produced by heating white phosphorus in the absence of air), and why pseudoephedrine is now behind the counter at pharmacies. They’ve also added chemicals that make it difficult to separate pseudoephedrine from the rest of the ingredients in tablets in the U.S. So the Chinese government sells pseudoephedrine by the ton to the Mexican drug cartels and they in turn manufacture Methamphetamine by the ton. It’s far, far easier to make than Fentanyl. This is why Methamphetamine manufacture went south of the border. 'white pipe' (methaqualone/quaaludes) is popular in south africa. the chinese where providing the south africans with N-acetylanthranilic acid an immediate precursor. at one point it was banned world wide. so the chyneze have a long history of providing drug precursors. |
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The taliban are only doing the jobs the US government doesn't want to do
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Quoted: The taliban are only doing the jobs the US government doesn't want to do View Quote Attached File |
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Obviously the Government is getting(moving) their Opium from somewhere else, now.
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Reeeeee, the douchecanoes in DC and their handlers aren’t making money off of the poppy fields anymore. Waah. Fuck that sun-blasted shithole.
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So big Pharma and the CIA cartel will have us back in two years or so tops eh?
At least we have a bunch of equipment pre staged this time. |
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Quoted: @Riter Absolutely. They will either ship the final product, Fentanyl or an analog (Carfentanyl is 100 times more potent than Fentanyl), or ship the last two precursors and the cartel chemists complete the last step. When manufacturing a chemical, you have a choice of how far back you will start, and this will determine what chemicals you need to acquire to get there. The DEA will watch precursor chemicals to make it harder for you to manufacture, so you have to start further back to make precursors chemicals yourself, even having to make precursor, precursors. For Fentanyl, there are four main manufacturing methods. An example of one of them is below: Fentanyl, 1-phenethyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine 1) The synthesis of fentanyl is accomplished beginning with 1-benzylpiperidin-4-one (3.1.48), which is condensed with aniline to form the corresponding Schiff base (3.1.59). 2) The double bond in this product is reduced by lithium aluminum hydride, 3) and the resulting 1-benzyl-4-anilinopiperidine (3.1.60) is acylated using propionic acid anhydride. 3) The resulting 1-benzyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.61) undergoes debenzylation using hydrogen and a palladium on carbon catalyst, to give 4-N-propanoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.62), 4) which is N-alkylated by 2-phenylethylchloride, to give fentanyl (3.1.63) [39,40]. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_9129-2922512.jpg You are already starting off with some more complex chemicals that may be watched by authorities. You will need to purify the product after each step. This is an advanced organic synthesis. I have a degree in chemistry, and in my senior year this would have been possible but definitely a challenge, and I would have needed all the precursor chemicals already at my disposal, within a well-stocked laboratory. Also, the final product, Fentanyl, is so potent that you have to be careful not to inhale any of it so you need to work under a negative pressure chemical hood or wear a chemical filter mask. You would need one of the latter during the manufacture anyway due to the chemicals you would be using. China is likely giving the last two ingredients for some degree of plausible deniability. They may even have a deal where they sell them at a steep discount. The goal of the Chinese government is to corrode U.S. society. They want to kill as many of our youth as possible. Contrast this with the manufacture of Methamphetamine. It’s literally a one-step, maybe two-step process of reducing the hydroxyl group to hydrogen on the pseudoephedrine or ephedrine molecule. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_9130-2922520.jpg All you need, as an example, is ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, then red phosphorus (the dark striking surface on match boxes) and elemental iodine (you can buy this at several places online or make it easily from Potassium Iodide). This is why it’s not easy to buy red phosphorus (it’s the much safer allotrope of phosphorus produced by heating white phosphorus in the absence of air), and why pseudoephedrine is now behind the counter at pharmacies. They’ve also added chemicals that make it difficult to separate pseudoephedrine from the rest of the ingredients in tablets in the U.S. So the Chinese government sells pseudoephedrine by the ton to the Mexican drug cartels and they in turn manufacture Methamphetamine by the ton. It’s far, far easier to make than Fentanyl. This is why Methamphetamine manufacture went south of the border. View Quote I think you're making it more complex than necessary. I watched a documentary about a high school chem teacher making drugs under a commercial laundry near Albuquerque. Fried chicken is an important part but I forget why that is. |
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What country was the first in negotiations with them when we pulled out? China.
Who is the biggest distributor of fentanyl in the world? China. So, China made a deal with the Taliban to stop production of poppies so they could sell more drugs to the US. I bet if you followed the money China is paying them something to stop the production. I may be wrong, but I doubt it. |
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Quoted: I think you're making it more complex than necessary. I watched a documentary about a high school chem teacher making drugs under a commercial laundry near Albuquerque. Fried chicken is an important part but I forget why that is. View Quote You do know he's a medical doctor that studied this shit right? |
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Quoted: Does this mean poppy seed bagel prices are going up? View Quote @TNC That’s the problem with trying to replace the opium poppy: It’s both a cash crop and a food crop. One reason the pods are lanced to allow the opium/latex to ooze out, is that it preserves the pod for the seeds. Opium poppy plants have a deep taproot so they can survive on much less water than, say, corn, which has a shallow root system. It also doesn’t need as much fertilizer; the U.S. tried to give Afghan farmers ammonium nitrate which they ended up using in improvised explosives! There is also no infrastructure for producing ammonium nitrate like we have in the U.S. even if they wanted to switch crops. |
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Quoted: 'white pipe' (methaqualone/quaaludes) is popular in south africa. the chinese where providing the south africans with N-acetylanthranilic acid an immediate precursor. at one point it was banned world wide. so the chyneze have a long history of providing drug precursors. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: @Riter Fentanyl is 100% synthetic. Same as Demerol and Propoxyphene. Morphine and Codeine are 100% natural and make up a percentage of opium. Heroin (diacetylmorphine) is semi-synthetic. Start with a natural opioid and modify it to be more potent. Same as Dilauded, oxycodone, etc. @c-4 - So Chynuh is shipping the chemicals to the cartels to make the stuff? @Riter Absolutely. They will either ship the final product, Fentanyl or an analog (Carfentanyl is 100 times more potent than Fentanyl), or ship the last two precursors and the cartel chemists complete the last step. When manufacturing a chemical, you have a choice of how far back you will start, and this will determine what chemicals you need to acquire to get there. The DEA will watch precursor chemicals to make it harder for you to manufacture, so you have to start further back to make precursors chemicals yourself, even having to make precursor, precursors. For Fentanyl, there are four main manufacturing methods. An example of one of them is below: Fentanyl, 1-phenethyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine 1) The synthesis of fentanyl is accomplished beginning with 1-benzylpiperidin-4-one (3.1.48), which is condensed with aniline to form the corresponding Schiff base (3.1.59). 2) The double bond in this product is reduced by lithium aluminum hydride, 3) and the resulting 1-benzyl-4-anilinopiperidine (3.1.60) is acylated using propionic acid anhydride. 3) The resulting 1-benzyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.61) undergoes debenzylation using hydrogen and a palladium on carbon catalyst, to give 4-N-propanoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.62), 4) which is N-alkylated by 2-phenylethylchloride, to give fentanyl (3.1.63) [39,40]. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_9129-2922512.jpg You are already starting off with some more complex chemicals that may be watched by authorities. You will need to purify the product after each step. This is an advanced organic synthesis. I have a degree in chemistry, and in my senior year this would have been possible but definitely a challenge, and I would have needed all the precursor chemicals already at my disposal, within a well-stocked laboratory. Also, the final product, Fentanyl, is so potent that you have to be careful not to inhale any of it so you need to work under a negative pressure chemical hood or wear a chemical filter mask. You would need one of the latter during the manufacture anyway due to the chemicals you would be using. China is likely giving the last two ingredients for some degree of plausible deniability. They may even have a deal where they sell them at a steep discount. The goal of the Chinese government is to corrode U.S. society. They want to kill as many of our youth as possible. Contrast this with the manufacture of Methamphetamine. It’s literally a one-step, maybe two-step process of reducing the hydroxyl group to hydrogen on the pseudoephedrine or ephedrine molecule. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_9130-2922520.jpg All you need, as an example, is ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, then red phosphorus (the dark striking surface on match boxes) and elemental iodine (you can buy this at several places online or make it easily from Potassium Iodide). This is why it’s not easy to buy red phosphorus (it’s the much safer allotrope of phosphorus produced by heating white phosphorus in the absence of air), and why pseudoephedrine is now behind the counter at pharmacies. They’ve also added chemicals that make it difficult to separate pseudoephedrine from the rest of the ingredients in tablets in the U.S. So the Chinese government sells pseudoephedrine by the ton to the Mexican drug cartels and they in turn manufacture Methamphetamine by the ton. It’s far, far easier to make than Fentanyl. This is why Methamphetamine manufacture went south of the border. 'white pipe' (methaqualone/quaaludes) is popular in south africa. the chinese where providing the south africans with N-acetylanthranilic acid an immediate precursor. at one point it was banned world wide. so the chyneze have a long history of providing drug precursors. I’m not surprised! |
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Quoted: You do know he's a medical doctor that studied this shit right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I think you're making it more complex than necessary. I watched a documentary about a high school chem teacher making drugs under a commercial laundry near Albuquerque. Fried chicken is an important part but I forget why that is. You do know he's a medical doctor that studied this shit right? @zukguy I think he’s referring to Breaking Bad. I’m embarrassed though to say I haven’t watched the show. |
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Quoted: You're probably correct doc, I have to admit to watching one episode and not liking it. I can be a bit protective of people I respect lol. @C-4 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: @zukguy I think he’s referring to Breaking Bad. I’m embarrassed though to say I haven’t watched the show. You're probably correct doc, I have to admit to watching one episode and not liking it. I can be a bit protective of people I respect lol. @C-4 @zukguy |
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China should be happy. They may have even supported/encouraged these actions.
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