US and allies objective in Korea was to remove communist forces from South Korea.   North Korea and China's objective was to conquer South Korea.

Allied victory.

Better check on what Obama did to our nuclear weapons systems

If China can't get outside of the first island chain, they're confined to their salty lake.

Pearl necklace?

Need to define what winning is to determine whether we lose or not.

The best way to win a war is to remove the enemy's desire to fight.

Go in to "police" the area so our guys don't have to. They are used to keeping peasants under the boot; it's all they are good for.

I don't really care if they are nationalist, or racist. Just not expansionist.
Let the Kuomintang have the nation, and restrict their means of projecting power by treaty and trade.

If all command and control was lost due to an electronic black out; we would really have the advantage. The relative freedom of decision and movement of the US troops has always been astounding to other nations. I really don't see the CCP allowing anything near the autonomy our people get.

As far as training for satellite blackout conditions, the U.S. Military does train for defending our satellites and also for poking out our adversaries for at least 10 years now.  

https://aerospaceamerica.aiaa.org/u-s-air-force-to-expand-space-flag-satellite-war-game/

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a15949440/air-force-no-gps-red-flag/

Plus, we know how to jam their satellites too:  https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a31703515/space-force-first-weapon/

Simultaneous LOL! and WTF?

If people accept the premise that conquering China (as in taking the land by force) would be very difficult, then conquering the US would be a 1000 times more difficult. No country has the military the capability of occupying the US. If you seriously believe that you are massively delusional. The Chinese can't even take an island less than a 100 miles off their shoreline. They couldn't even invade their land border neighbors and hold the territory. And you think they could force project across the ocean and march down American streets? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Could be that I just didn't pick up on the sarcasm...

China probably cannot trust its own military enough to give them all live ammo.

Global times is CCP news.

Was thinking on this same thing:  They don't have to beat us in a stand up fight.  They can proxy us to death in a variety of arenas.

They can supply weapons and training to terrorist groups.

They can offer logistical, military and intelligence support to North Korea.

They can distract us by threatening Taiwan with a small force, while swinging north and south Pacific to capture oil reserves they desperately need.

All the while, everyone else with an axe to grind will lash out while we aren't there to stabilize things:  Russia would want to get in on something, Africa would devolve quickly, Iran would start getting MUCH more froggy than what they are now, Pakistan and India would start shoving each other, etc...  We are the stabilizing force in the world and while other nations hate that idea, it's a reality.  Our currency and language are almost universal in the world, our military is feared and revered, our tech and innovations are still ongoing with other countries only aspiring to be us or copying us, and our cultural reach has no bounds.  But, if we're bogged down with SEVERAL hot spots, we can't effectively police the world.  Whether we should have in the first place, I'll leave to folks smarter than I.

China would not openly attack us.  We would not openly attack China.  China would only step up what they've done for almost two generations now:  Supply arms to our enemies and asymmetrical warfare.  They did it in Vietnam, they did it in Korea (yes, including raw troops thrown at us), they currently do it with North Korea in the form of aid and non-aggression and in the Middle East.

All in all, due to this virus and American decadence over the past 40-50 years, China is getting stronger while we squabble over who gets to hold the nation's credit card to fund cultural and racial programs aimed at subverting our national defense, cultural identity and hand the keys to the nation to a crowd of pushy, mindless, loud, arrogant and aimless lumpenproletariat that don't care that we were the nation reaching for the stars not more than 60 years ago and have reverted into a primordial swamp of cultural masturbation, decay and laziness, all funded by the government.

Nukes?  Sure, we have nukes.  They have nukes.  Lots of folks have nukes and the instant the first one flies, EVERYONE with one will whip them out like a teenage date night to fuck anything resembling a hole.  Doesn't matter that China shot first, or whatever.  Everyone else that has them will come to the realization that once that genie is out of the bottle, they'll launch so that they don't lose them in a first strike.  "If it's okay for US/China to use them, then it's okay for us".  We'd or they'd launch, everyone else would as well.

The only allies in the region are very limited:
Vietnam?  Still sore about the 60s-70s.  MIGHT let us put an airbase until someone starts threatening.
South Korea?  The Norks would keep them VERY busy and their national self interest would trump any altruistic efforts to "push the Chinese back".
Taiwan?  Small military, we need to give them missile defense systems but are slow in that regard.  Their threat comes from direct invasion and would be a distraction from our goal.  We need to acknowledge them as a nation-state as well.
India, Pakistan?  Pakis are pieces of shit that fuck us over whenever it's convenient to them and India would have their hands full pushing against Pakistan.  Their war would be two front:  Protecting their eastern flank with their border with China and from Pakistan.  Their troops would not enter Chinese territory during this even.
Japan?  We still have them neutered and their "one screwdriver away from a nuke" concept is great, but limited.
Phillipines, Malaysia, Mongolia?  Dunno man...
Russia?  LOL  Oh wait, you're serious, let me laugh harder.  We saw what happened after WW2.  They play nice until the paper the non-aggression/cooperation act is signed upon is worthless.

The near future conflict will be very limited in scale, no direct invasions of each other and will use proxies.  Arm Taiwan heavily, military cooperation with Indonesia and the surrounding area, push for removal of military restrictions in Japan and don't count on Russia.

Look at this thread and others like them. If you even mention the word 'hypersonic' half this forum collapses to its knees fully buying the communist propaganda. Its kinda sad, really.

That number is a complete and utter joke and I question your assertion that it's "generally agreed on by the western intel agencies". Anyone that really believes it is soft in the head.

https://jamestown.org/program/chinas-underground-great-wall-and-nuclear-deterrence/

https://thediplomat.com/2011/08/chinas-underground-great-wall/

https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/chinas-underground-great-wall-subterranean-ballistic-missiles

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/georgetown-students-shed-light-on-chinas-tunnel-system-for-nuclear-weapons/2011/11/16/gIQA6AmKAO_story.html

And this is decade old intel which may as well be an eternity.



No OP doesn't because the point is entirely over your head, as it is I suspect for most of GD.


That's definitely going to happen. We'll get right on that after we're done negotiating peace treaties with the cave dwelling Taliban.


Nope... Welcome to 2005.

Nothing that you posted contradicted what I said. The estimates in your links are all between 250-400 warheads. 300 is the number typically used as the “best guess.” Try reading your own links next time.

this. China is a close second.

Yeah, I can definitely see them going to the effort and expense to build 3,000+ miles of underground tunnels, long enough to cross the US, for just 400 warheads max when they've already got a bunch of those deployed on SSBNs, road/rail mobile ICBMs, as well as fixed ICBM silos.

I mean, no way would Commies totally conceal a bunch more nukes than what everyone would think in all that space. Right?

Well in any sort of real conflict with China US submarines would put an end to oil shipments flowing into the South China sea at which point it's just a waiting game.

Glassing one of their artificial islands as a show of resolve doesn't feel like a bad idea either.

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Well that settles it, wapo has aids.

Does anyone think that the US would show their true military capability in a war game with china or any other country?

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The public estimate has been around 300 warheads for decades. It's laughable since in that time the Chinese have greatly increased their number of missiles, upgraded older missiles, developed MIRVs, and launched several SSBNs.

The real number is 500-800.

If we stop sending them Soybeans, and have Brazil cooperate also, the problem will fix itself in a couple years.

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there are days where I would love to give a coded cable to Attack Sub Commanders -" No Leash".

Jesus. Tapdancing. Christ. In my first post I said at least 300, and I certainly wasn’t trying to minimize their capabilities. Even if all they had was 300 warheads getting into any kind of military conflict with them would be suicidal. With just 300 megaton range warheads they’d end the US. They might lose more, but we’d still be done as a country.

that's easy.  expel all Chinese nationals and their children and sever trade with china.   relocate factories to mexico and central America and tell illegals and their children to go home.

Big talk from a country that hasn't been in a significant conflict since the 1950s.

Besides conventional warfare it would be a tough war on several fronts  (e.g. economically, cyber, and social) with the full support of our nation....as it is with half of the public and half of our lawmakers likely willing to side with China vs, supporting the current administration, I dont see a favorable outcome.

"Wolf Warrior"?



Just shows how inept they are in dealing with the West. It may sound impressive and intimidating in Mandarin, but in English it is pure cringe.

They model their efforts after the Russians, thus have every reason to believe they will. As of now, they need to work on their nuance.

From their biggest war movie ever. Made over a billion in Chinese theaters

I cant stand mainland cinema these days. That looks as ham-fisted and tiresome as the latest Ip Man movie or some of Jackie Chan's recent sell-out films.

Yeah those were pretty bad

Sure do wonder what would happen if we had the will/guts to go all in.

They are kind of in their '80s, and not in a good way.

A while back, the propaganda was still thick, but you could see real art. Jet LI's "Hero" is a genuine work of cinema art. Then again, it was really not a Mainland movie, per se. It was a Hong Kong film selling out to mainland propaganda.

Geopolitically, they are Japan in the early 1900s, and we're Russia.

From a philosophical standpoint, why even wonder about that kind of thing?  They can't possibly hope to attack and hold the US mainland.  We likewise can't possibly hope to attack and hold the Chinese mainland.  Anything that remotely resembles "all in" means nuclear weapons are used.  It would be catastrophic on both sides.  China and the USA as countries would probably cease to exist.  The only reason that we did so well after World War II was that our manufacturing base was largely untouched.  That wouldn't be the case with World War III.  You're talking unimaginable strife and hardship all around.

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It seems clumsy and brazen but that also means that it is creating anti-China sentiment overseas. In fact, it's so over the top lately I wonder if its purpose isn't to galvanize Chinese nationalism in the face of outsider hostility. The CCP is ruthless enough to try anything.