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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:40:00 PM EDT
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Being trapped on a ship with 8000 People of Walmart is a horror movie, not a vacation... 
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:40:35 PM EDT
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I'm amazed they don't roll over very easily. I'd love to see a really good explanation of how they remain upright. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How the heck are these things not top heavy? They have a fuckton of fuel and water onboard that are in the lowest parts of the ship to lower its CG. They also have ballast tanks that can be filled or emptied, based on the conditions, etc. All the supplies, like the food, drinks, etc. that aren’t at the bars or restaurants are kept very near to the waterline or below it. The amount of both on a ship like this would shock you. Lots of weight. They also have a fairly awesome stabilizer system onboard. I took a behind the scenes tour on the Serenade of the Seas last month. From what I remember, the stabilizers are like big wings under water that stabilize and can be manipulated like ailerons to control the ship a bit. They extend like 30 feet or something off both sides of the ship underwater when deployed. When you combine all that, the ship can roll something like 30 degrees before she runs into trouble. There isn’t much out there that is going to push a ship to 20 degrees, let alone 30. They steer around hurricanes and large storms. And while rogue waves do hit these ships every once in a while (the Norwegian Dawn got clobbered by one in 2005), they don’t sink ships like in the Poseidon Adventure. It would take something colossal or colossal negligence to roll one over |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:41:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:42:09 PM EDT
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How the heck are these things not top heavy? |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:43:11 PM EDT
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Look at that thing. 228,000 tonnes is twice the size of a Nimitz supercarrier. Its probably more roomy than the first one I was on. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:44:34 PM EDT
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You take a minimum 7 day cruise, but preferably 10 day or 14 if it's available. The longer the cruise, the more expensive it is, and the fewer trashy people will be on it. Stay away from the 3 day cruises like the plague. It's the same reason that the nicest and most expensive ski resorts have the most polite guests. The trash is priced out. 3 days are all the people of walmart types. They don't have money for a 7 day cruise. Quoted:
I went on a 7 day Eastern Caribbean aboard the Oasis of the Seas. There were 6500 passengers aboard and even during days at sea I felt like I never saw more than 25-50 in one place at a time. These ships are so big, and there is so much to do at so many locations on board that I hardly saw anybody. The only place that was busy was the main dining room at dinner time. I would recommend a cruise to everyone. Was on the same boat on a western caribbean cruise . . . the only time you saw a bunch of people was at labadee. Otherwise the "giant crowds" are 100-200 people at dinner and/or at a full show (some weren't full at all) |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:45:41 PM EDT
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Cesspool of flu and germs. No guns. You can't drive away when you want. Not for me. I shot skeet on my first cruse. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:46:18 PM EDT
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That is impressive
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:47:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:48:36 PM EDT
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Look at that thing. 228,000 tonnes is twice the size of a Nimitz supercarrier. Article writer didn’t bother to look up what gross tonnage meant and incorrectly states that as the weight. The 228k gross tonnage is the measurement of volume of the ship’s internal structures, which despite the name has nothing to do with weight. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:48:48 PM EDT
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Honestly, I'd prefer a voyage on Titanic (aside from the sinking part). No TV, no WiFi, nothing but authentic non-amplified music, etc. People dressing well, no kids running around like lunatics, no pool deck with a bunch of yelling and screaming and ugly people flopping their shit out everywhere. I'd kill for the main activities to be enjoying the world float by, engaging in intelligent conversation, enjoying a brandy and playing some cards in the smoking room, etc. Life has gotten to be too complicated. I want an actual, back to basics but luxurious retreat. The last thing I want to do is jump on a noisy cruise ship with 8000 other adults and kids who are obnoxious, have no sense of decorum, etc. and who can't drop the TV, WiFi, music, or whatever for a few days. I enjoy some of the smaller ships, but these new enormous ones just sound like a nightmare. It was hot, (Boilers) it stank (Poor people stank)The food was the same every day, when you even got it, had to wait in line to shit and there were no showers. so be careful what you wish for. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:49:22 PM EDT
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No thank you!  
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:49:24 PM EDT
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Went on a Royal Caribbean Cruise last year on one of those mega ships. Far too many people for me, 6500 gusts and 2500 crew. You could literally not get away from people. I will never cruise again on one of the mega ships.....NO THANKS
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:50:38 PM EDT
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According to a documentary I saw a few years ago on the Royal Caribbean Majesty of the Seas (I think thats the name) They Construct the hull from steel and everythng else from Aluminum. They explained this was necessary to keep the vessel from tipping over.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:51:00 PM EDT
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I went on a 7 day Eastern Caribbean aboard the Oasis of the Seas. There were 6500 passengers aboard and even during days at sea I felt like I never saw more than 25-50 in one place at a time. These ships are so big, and there is so much to do at so many locations on board that I hardly saw anybody. The only place that was busy was the main dining room at dinner time. I would recommend a cruise to everyone. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:51:18 PM EDT
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You do realize that 2/3 of the people on the Titanic were in steerage, correct? It was hot, (Boilers) it stank (Poor people stank)The food was the same every day, when you even got it, had to wait in line to shit and there were no showers. so be careful what you wish for.  Titanic's First Class Dinner- First Class Dining on RMS Titanic |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:52:21 PM EDT
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No, it does not; that number represents it "gross tonnage" and not its displacement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
What's crazy to think about is the Seawise Giant had a GT of not too much more than this ship, yet her actual full load displacement was around 6 times as much. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:53:27 PM EDT
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Mobile prison. No thanks to a cruise.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:53:50 PM EDT
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Being trapped on a ship with 8000 People of Walmart is a horror movie, not a vacation... |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:56:36 PM EDT
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No thank you!
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:57:05 PM EDT
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8,000 people. No thanks. I want to take a cruise to relax. Not deal with hordes of people. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:57:31 PM EDT
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One engine compartment fire away from lord of the flies.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:59:28 PM EDT
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I just got thing in the mail the other day from National Geographic cruises. Now those look cool. There's one where you're on an icebreaker cruise with I think 250 passengers or so. On those, while the amenities seem fine, you dont go for the boat, but rather to travel to the different countries it stops in. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:03:57 PM EDT
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This. I've been on the Allure twice on Eastern and Western Caribbean itineraries. Never felt cramped or had to wait in huge lines. Kids were tolerable. The trans-Atlantic on Symphony will be even better as there will be very few kids. Norwegian Epic on the other hand.... I shit you not, the last cruse we went on some family with a really shitty little runt of about 8 just could not walk down a passageway like human beings.......until I simply refused to walk single file past them again and elbowed the little shit in the head. The rest of the cruse the father walked in front with two of the kids and mom brought the little wayward retard toddling behind. 
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:06:33 PM EDT
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You do realize that 2/3 of the people on the Titanic were in steerage, correct? It was hot, (Boilers) it stank (Poor people stank)The food was the same every day, when you even got it, had to wait in line to shit and there were no showers. so be careful what you wish for. I’ll clarify and say I wouldn’t want to travel steerage. Fuck that. First class or bust. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:07:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Carriers are measured by their displacement tonnage which coincides with the weight of the water actually displaced by the ship while afloat. In order to overstate their comparison to other massive vessels, cruise ships are described by means of their "gross tonnage" which isn't a measurement of the ship's weight, but is actually a measure of it's interior volume as calculated by a formula. My guess is that the displacement tonnage of the Oasis Class cruise ships is between 90,000 and 110,000 tons, or roughly the same as a Nimitz. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:10:02 PM EDT
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So in about 20 minutes you can see the whole ship. then what?
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:10:39 PM EDT
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God that boat is ugly.
I've never understood the appeal of cruises like that, I'd rather just fly to wherever the ships go and hang out there. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:11:05 PM EDT
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I guess that even with all the 'attractions' onboard that rascal...my idea of rest and relaxation does not include being within 1,200' proximity to 8,000 people.
Pass. 
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:12:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: x2. 3 days are all the people of walmart types. They don't have money for a 7 day cruise. Hear hear. Was on the same boat on a western caribbean cruise . . . the only time you saw a bunch of people was at labadee. Otherwise the "giant crowds" are 100-200 people at dinner and/or at a full show (some weren't full at all)
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:14:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, I'd want to be first class obviously. It was the middle of April in the North Atlantic; it wasn't hot. It may have been hot in the boiler rooms, but not in first class. Poor people could stink...just leave them below deck. The menu in first class rotated every day. Staterooms also had toilets, iirc. I'll clarify and say I wouldn't want to travel steerage. Fuck that. First class or bust.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:21:09 PM EDT
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I go on vacation to get away from people. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:27:49 PM EDT
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8000 turd cutters crying out in unison as the diarrhea hits on day three after the Noro virus and under cooked oysters/chicken at the scarf & barf buffet strike.
No thanks I am good. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:29:03 PM EDT
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So in about 20 minutes you can see the whole ship. then what? |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:33:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've heard these things are so big you never get to see the entire ship during a cruise. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:34:55 PM EDT
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That is a BIG boat !
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:39:37 PM EDT
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I've cruised on the Harmony of The Seas. Ask Me Anything.
Quick FAQ -Didn't feel crowded to me -Food and service were both excellent -Eastern Carribean -NOT full of Walmart People. In fact, the demand for these ships is so high that discounted rates are becoming extinct. -Spent about 11K total with air and excursions for family of 5 (2 cabins) Witnessed a rare emergency evac. CG blackhawk type chopper dropped a basket to take off a man who'd had a stroke. I dont think he made it. 
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:44:31 PM EDT
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Kids. I shit you not, the last cruse we went on some family with a really shitty little runt of about 8 just could not walk down a passageway like human beings.......until I simply refused to walk single file past them again and elbowed the little shit in the head. The rest of the cruse the father walked in front with two of the kids and mom brought the little wayward retard toddling behind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This. I've been on the Allure twice on Eastern and Western Caribbean itineraries. Never felt cramped or had to wait in huge lines. Kids were tolerable. The trans-Atlantic on Symphony will be even better as there will be very few kids. Norwegian Epic on the other hand.... I shit you not, the last cruse we went on some family with a really shitty little runt of about 8 just could not walk down a passageway like human beings.......until I simply refused to walk single file past them again and elbowed the little shit in the head. The rest of the cruse the father walked in front with two of the kids and mom brought the little wayward retard toddling behind. 
Yeah, I can't wait to see what Virgin Cruise Lines is going to be like. No one under 18 allowed. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:45:34 PM EDT
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So in about 20 minutes you can see the whole ship. then what? |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:48:58 PM EDT
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8,000 people. No thanks. I want to take a cruise to relax. Not deal with hordes of people. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:50:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:50:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:56:29 PM EDT
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I'm sure those ships are fine, but I'd rather take a Cunard trans-Atlantic.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:05:53 PM EDT
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18 life boats are enough for 8,000 people? Quote HistoryQuoted:
18 life boats are enough for 8,000 people? |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:13:54 PM EDT
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God that looks nasty.
So very cheap looking and low rent, like a Chuck E Cheese of the sea. Who's up for a bout of Norovirus? |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:16:57 PM EDT
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Robot bartenders are pretty neat.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:17:01 PM EDT
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Figure if something happens like a power failure and 25% go feral that's 2000 animals loose. More than I'd want to be stuck out at sea with. I might take one of those river cruises in Europe, smaller numbers and you aren't that far from shore if it does get too vibrant. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:17:11 PM EDT
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These are no longer ships. They are resorts that just coincidentally happen to float. Not enough draft, top heavy, too much glass. Underwater they are shaped more like a giant barge than an Ocean Liner.
And the ports aren't any bigger. Nassau isn't any bigger, St. Thomas is still the same size and now instead of 2,000 people getting off the ship flooding the town you have 8,000! No thanks, I'll look for a smaller ship if I go cruising. The last one I was on was the Disney Magic about 18 years ago and at least it was actually seaworthy. 
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:18:23 PM EDT
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How the heck are these things not top heavy? |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:20:13 PM EDT
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I've often thought the same thing. There HAS to be metric shit tons of ballast along the keel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How the heck are these things not top heavy? There HAS to be metric shit tons of ballast along the keel. |
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