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Posted: 4/4/2019 2:25:47 PM EDT

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Wreck of the Arizona is a WAR grave in U.S. territorial waters on a Navy base. Kinda different.

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She has been fairly extensively salvaged by the Navy too.

She is no more of a war grave than any of the other ships sunk and/or damaged in that attack that were raised and either scrapped, scuttled or rebuilt. BUT on those ships the remains were recovered and given a proper burial too so there is that.

Posted: 4/4/2019 2:56:13 PM EDT

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Not to mention the Flying Tigers. And sinking a Jap sub before the PH attack.

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Flying Tigers were after Pearl and if you don't want your sub sunk don't try sneaking into someone eles's harbor while surfaced.

But yeah, we did kinda pick that fight. Moving the fleet to Pearl in the first place was to irritate Japan.

Posted: 4/4/2019 5:20:33 PM EDT

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I saw the traveling artifact display when they were in St. Louis, and we had those fake boarding passes where at the end of the tour we could look to see if we survived. I don't think I have those anymore though.

In 2012 my son and I went through the Titanic Museum in Branson.

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I bought a ~~souvenior~~ souvenir spoon.

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Posted: 4/4/2019 8:08:34 PM EDT

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What's the significance of the hull not being riveted?

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The flush rivet was invented in the 1920's and the blind rivet even later.

Construction on the Titanic began in 1909 and she launched in 1911. Do you have any examples of flush-rivets or blind-rivets from this time period?

What's the significance of the hull not being riveted?

Finally, someone asks the important question:
https://www.stolenhistory.org/threads/our-civilization-did-not-build-titanic-olympic-or-britannic-theirs-did-was-it-the-tartarian-one.118/
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Posted: 4/4/2019 10:47:05 PM EDT

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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE)

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Posted: 4/4/2019 11:28:29 PM EDT

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Was anyone a kid in the 80s Nd watch the movie "raising the Titanic"

After that movie I was obsessed with the facts of the ship. It was a jaw dropping moment when that ship came back out of the water in the movie.

It came up in one piece, that was before we found her , and before we knew it broke in half.

I imagine after it was found and documented the movie seemed silly and was largely forgotten.

Posted: 4/4/2019 11:36:46 PM EDT

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Raising The Titanic 2 - HD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKcecYVQRm8

Posted: 4/5/2019 1:27:59 AM EDT

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Nice find.

I read the book. Never saw the film. Your right, I forgot all about it.

Posted: 4/5/2019 1:33:49 AM EDT

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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE)

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Jesus Christ... are typing that from a coal bunker on the fucking Titanic, old man?

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:50:46 AM EDT

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Jesus Christ... are typing that from a coal bunker on the fucking Titanic, old man?

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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE)

Jesus Christ... are typing that from a coal bunker on the fucking Titanic, old man?

Have some respect for the elders. I like it when old people post on the internet.

At least it isn't in Cuneiform or Hyroglifics.

Posted: 4/5/2019 3:57:25 AM EDT

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Was anyone a kid in the 80s Nd watch the movie "raising the Titanic"

After that movie I was obsessed with the facts of the ship. It was a jaw dropping moment when that ship came back out of the water in the movie.

It came up in one piece, that was before we found her , and before we knew it broke in half.

I imagine after it was found and documented the movie seemed silly and was largely forgotten.

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Never underestimate Dirk Pitt.

Posted: 4/5/2019 9:22:58 AM EDT

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I guess I do not understand your premise with the Titanic. It could have been Dr. Robert Ballard's wreck, he did not do it. I personally do not want anything off it. Now that civil war gold in lake Michigan?

We were manipulating Japans markets and stopped oil to their island. We knew what was coming too.

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Ballard was acting on behalf of the United States as he was on temporary active duty with the Navy during the hunt for Thresher and Scorpion, and using the remainder of the expedition's funds to find Titanic, he couldn't claim the wreck personally.

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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:40:52 PM EDT

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Great find!

Posted: 4/5/2019 1:41:49 PM EDT

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Was anyone a kid in the 80s Nd watch the movie "raising the Titanic"

After that movie I was obsessed with the facts of the ship. It was a jaw dropping moment when that ship came back out of the water in the movie.

It came up in one piece, that was before we found her , and before we knew it broke in half.

I imagine after it was found and documented the movie seemed silly and was largely forgotten.

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I remember reading the book. First "Dirk Pitt" novel I read.

Posted: 4/5/2019 1:46:50 PM EDT

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I remember reading the book. First "Dirk Pitt" novel I read.

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One of my first too. I think I've read all of them up to about 2015 now

Posted: 4/5/2019 1:58:33 PM EDT

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IIRC sea pressure is 44 psi per 100ft. Any bodies on the ship were pulverized and liquefied long before reaching the seabed.

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I don't think that's how this works. Bodies are mostly liquid; you can't compress a liquid. The chest cavity might crush in if the lungs don't fill with water first, but the body wouldn't get pulverized or liquefied by pressure.

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:04:45 PM EDT

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All this titanic coal talk.. anyone talking bout the watch made from steel from the wreck?
https://www.govbergwatches.com/shop/pre-owned-romain-jerome-titanic-dna-steampunk-limited-edition-rj-t-au-sp-001-01-2/?keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjw-ZvlBRBbEiwANw9UWn3YT3zeqyRNKguGLtAF9jphPYGFi4-EI5YNAuRvXva8sXa5K79g-RoCFJQQAvD_BwE

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:06:58 PM EDT

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I remember reading the book. First "Dirk Pitt" novel I read.

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Mediterranean Caper was the first one I read, but Raise the Titanic was my favorite. I was really excited for the movie. I thought it was a real let-down after the book.

Cussler sure got the science wrong on that one - that the Titanic would be in salvageable shape due to cold water and low oxygen content. In the book they even found skeletons in the wreck, including one on the bridge that they assumed was Capt. Smith.

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:22:39 PM EDT

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I don't think that's how this works. Bodies are mostly liquid; you can't compress a liquid. The chest cavity might crush in if the lungs don't fill with water first, but the body wouldn't get pulverized or liquefied by pressure.

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Your right we are mainly made out of water. Ever smash a ketchup packet?

At 2.5 miles below the surface the pressure is approximately 6000 psi. Our bones are not solid. How much pressure does it take to crush bone?

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Posted: 4/5/2019 2:30:00 PM EDT

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Your right we are mainly made out of water. Ever smash a ketchup packet?

At 2.5 miles below the surface the pressure is approximately 6000 psi. Our bones are not solid. How much pressure does it take to crush bone?

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You understand that when you smash a ketchup packet, you're not compressing the ketchup, right? The reason it bursts is the contents don't compress and the container gives way. That's got about nothing to do with the scenario we're talking about. It's not like putting a corpse on a hydraulic press and hitting it with 6000psi. The pressure surrounds the corpse, which is pretty much a liquid filled bag. Fill up a balloon with air and take it 60 feet down; the air compresses and the balloon gets smaller. Fill it up with water and take it 60 (or 600) feet down. Same size.

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:31:30 PM EDT

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Who the fuck has a parlor in this, or even last, century?

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Funeral homes. Old Southern houses.

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:37:24 PM EDT

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Flying Tigers were after Pearl and if you don't want your sub sunk don't try sneaking into someone eles's harbor while surfaced.

But yeah, we did kinda pick that fight. Moving the fleet to Pearl in the first place was to irritate Japan.

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Flying Tigers did not engage in COMBAT before PH, but were in fact organized, equipped, and in theater BEFORE PH with the express intention of fighting the Japanese.

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:39:28 PM EDT

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Was anyone a kid in the 80s Nd watch the movie "raising the Titanic"

After that movie I was obsessed with the facts of the ship. It was a jaw dropping moment when that ship came back out of the water in the movie.

It came up in one piece, that was before we found her , and before we knew it broke in half.

I imagine after it was found and documented the movie seemed silly and was largely forgotten.

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Never saw the movie, but the book by Cussler was great.

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:43:01 PM EDT

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https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/premium-nut-coal

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:45:40 PM EDT

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You understand that when you smash a ketchup packet, you're not compressing the ketchup, right? The reason it bursts is the contents don't compress and the container gives way. That's got about nothing to do with the scenario we're talking about. It's not like putting a corpse on a hydraulic press and hitting it with 6000psi. The pressure surrounds the corpse, which is pretty much a liquid filled bag. Fill up a balloon with air and take it 60 feet down; the air compresses and the balloon gets smaller. Fill it up with water and take it 60 (or 600) feet down. Same size.

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Yes I do and you are correct about pressure and equal distribution. Edit: This is an interesting discussion.

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Posted: 4/5/2019 2:48:20 PM EDT

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You understand that when you smash a ketchup packet, you're not compressing the ketchup, right? The reason it bursts is the contents don't compress and the container gives way. That's got about nothing to do with the scenario we're talking about. It's not like putting a corpse on a hydraulic press and hitting it with 6000psi. The pressure surrounds the corpse, which is pretty much a liquid filled bag. Fill up a balloon with air and take it 60 feet down; the air compresses and the balloon gets smaller. Fill it up with water and take it 60 (or 600) feet down. Same size.

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One of the recent aircraft carrier finds, I think it was the Hornet had an oxygen bottle laying on the deck. It had been crushed... but hadn't ruptured. Pressure is applied equally everywhere and apparently it had a really good valve on it so it held.

When they were trying to get human remains off the Arizona a few months after the attack as soon as the corpses would break the surface they would pretty much explode without the water pressure holding them together. They called it off after around 40 because it just wasn't working out very well. And that is not very deep.

Posted: 4/5/2019 2:48:31 PM EDT

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WHY ARE YOU YELLING?!?!?

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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE)

WHY ARE YOU YELLING?!?!?

Don’t forget best coal is Blue Coal

Posted: 4/5/2019 3:23:56 PM EDT

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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE)

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YOU FORGOT LUMP & SLACK COAL, MR COAL MAN.

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Posted: 4/5/2019 3:25:11 PM EDT

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NUT

COAL

Coal Anthracite Nut Coal 2 Pounds

Great for school projects
Stocking stuffers
Science projects

Posted: 4/5/2019 3:44:16 PM EDT

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Anthracite Name of size Diameter of mesh

Broken 4-1/2
Egg 3-7/16
Stove 2-1/2
Chestnut 1-9/16
Pea 1-1/16
Buckwheat 1
Buckwheat 2

Posted: 4/5/2019 3:54:18 PM EDT

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So where can I buy a chunk of Titanic coal for my 8 year old son. He loves the Titanic and I thought it would be a great stocking stuffer for him for this upcoming Christmas.

Posted: 4/5/2019 4:12:55 PM EDT

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So where can I buy a chunk of Titanic coal for my 8 year old son. He loves the Titanic and I thought it would be a great stocking stuffer for him for this upcoming Christmas.

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Looks like mine. Not mine so buyer beware.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=titanic+coal&ul_noapp=true

Posted: 4/5/2019 4:19:24 PM EDT

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So where can I buy a chunk of Titanic coal for my 8 year old son. He loves the Titanic and I thought it would be a great stocking stuffer for him for this upcoming Christmas.

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Google Titanic coal.

Here's the first result I got;

https://thetitanicstore.com/product/coal-hourglass/

Posted: 4/5/2019 5:00:04 PM EDT

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Your right we are mainly made out of water. Ever smash a ketchup packet?

At 2.5 miles below the surface the pressure is approximately 6000 psi. Our bones are not solid. How much pressure does it take to crush bone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vBRW-MPs84

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I don't think that's how this works. Bodies are mostly liquid; you can't compress a liquid. The chest cavity might crush in if the lungs don't fill with water first, but the body wouldn't get pulverized or liquefied by pressure.

Your right we are mainly made out of water. Ever smash a ketchup packet?

At 2.5 miles below the surface the pressure is approximately 6000 psi. Our bones are not solid. How much pressure does it take to crush bone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vBRW-MPs84

That is a carefully contrived Lie.

Amazing that you can’t see through it.

Maybe sealife and bacteria did eat the bodies, but the flesh wasn’t squashed to a pulp like they suggest.

That’s just stupid. The laws of physics don’t change on the sea floor.

Posted: 4/5/2019 5:09:19 PM EDT

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Ballard was acting on behalf of the United States as he was on temporary active duty with the Navy during the hunt for Thresher and Scorpion, and using the remainder of the expedition's funds to find Titanic, he couldn't claim the wreck personally.

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I posted the link a ways back. National Geographic said he could have. I know he was borrowing the remainder of the time from the navy expedition.

#NUTCOAL_BIDENTOUCHEDTHEM

Posted: 4/5/2019 5:22:37 PM EDT

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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE)

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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:26:57 PM EDT

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Coal story bro

Posted: 4/5/2019 5:33:49 PM EDT

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That is a carefully contrived Lie.

Amazing that you can’t see through it.

Maybe sealife and bacteria did eat the bodies, but the flesh wasn’t squashed to a pulp like they suggest.

That’s just stupid. The laws of physics don’t change on the sea floor.

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You guys are probably right. I concede.

I never really gave it much thought. I always tried not to be in that position and the fact if I was it wouldn't matter to me.

I know Dr. Ballard said that there were no bodies there. He thought that because of the pressure and conditions that the bodies rapidly degraded.

Posted: 4/5/2019 5:36:32 PM EDT

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This is kinda disturbing IMO. The Titanic is a grave site and should be left alone, there's over 1500 dead people there.

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They were long ago turned into crab meat.

Posted: 4/6/2019 2:27:52 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/6/2019 11:15:45 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/6/2019 11:30:37 PM EDT

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Have you considered they may have broken them up so they could sell more individual units since people won't be burning them in a ship's boiler?

Cool piece of history OP.

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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE)

Have you considered they may have broken them up so they could sell more individual units since people won't be burning them in a ship's boiler?

Cool piece of history OP.

...OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT...

Posted: 4/7/2019 1:13:11 AM EDT

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Flying Tigers were after Pearl and if you don't want your sub sunk don't try sneaking into someone eles's harbor while surfaced.

But yeah, we did kinda pick that fight. Moving the fleet to Pearl in the first place was to irritate Japan.

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AVG was over a year prior to Pearl, but continued after as well.

Posted: 4/7/2019 9:05:10 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/8/2019 10:22:42 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/8/2019 10:55:21 AM EDT

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First combat mission was December 20th 1941.

Posted: 4/8/2019 2:18:45 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/8/2019 2:25:24 PM EDT

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Did we ever get the pics of the buck and stove coal?

Posted: 4/8/2019 2:41:25 PM EDT

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Yeah. I actually considered not using that photo for that reason, it was from an article discussing the #4 stack. But I was too lazy to make my own... laziness won out.

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I can respect that.

Posted: 4/8/2019 2:42:24 PM EDT

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I can respect that.

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Yeah. I actually considered not using that photo for that reason, it was from an article discussing the #4 stack. But I was too lazy to make my own... laziness won out.

I can respect that.

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