[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Toyota Tundra and Lexus LX600 Engine replacement recall 100,000+ units (Page 3 of 8)
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Quoted: And then they F'ed them [LS] up. BADLY. I was always truly impressed with the LS series until that damned cylinder deactivation crap was designed into it. I'm also of the accord that the gen II GM engine was one of the best and most reliable V6's ever built. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://i.ibb.co/56BGwWK/IMG-6738.webp I own (1) Toyota and (1) Lexus '04 Tacoma @ 450k '06 LX470 @ 300k Both still run great and have the original engine and transmission. Neither have ever needed anything beyond preventative maintenance and replacement of wear items. The current Toyota issues are a product of government regulation more than anything else. Toyota's last two production v8 engines for full-size vehicles (4.7 2UZ and 5.7 3UR) are arguably the two best V8 engines ever produced in terms of reliability and longevity. Thank government regulation for forcing Toyota to replace them with high stress turbo engines. You cannot defeat the laws of physics. Funny how people here mock JD Power when an American made vehicle places well on that list. The 350 Chevy and LS engines might want a word with your Toyotas. And then they F'ed them [LS] up. BADLY. I was always truly impressed with the LS series until that damned cylinder deactivation crap was designed into it. I'm also of the accord that the gen II GM engine was one of the best and most reliable V6's ever built. I admire Square66 commitment and defense. L8T, I'm a buyer. But anything with AFM, not so much. GM has so far fought a valiant battle avoiding recalls, warranty extensions, customer service programs and is slow rolling class action litigation. I'm impressed really. They haven't done this well since avoiding any real culpability in killing 124 to 179 people, depending on who you want to beleive. https://mccunewright.com/blog/2015/12/gm-settles-over-faulty-ignition-switch-that-killed-124-people/ I do have concerns about the bearing issues, some very early. I saw a few threads on this, but it's such a big failure that I think my issue deserves another thread. https://www.tahoeyukonforum.com/threads/main-bearing-failure-with-6-2l-at-3-200-miles.147085/ He still loves the truck. It's also fair to point out, in all of these cases the defects are not every unit. They are higher defect incident percentages than acceptable, but none approach even ZF SensiTork diffs that had somewhere near 25% failure rates. Like the LK5 and L52 engines, if you bought an engine with correctly mfg heads, they were very good. But the significant percentage of valve seats that experienced premature wear was only covered by GM with a 7/100k warranty extension. Outside of that, you were SOL. Attached File Im not putting GM on blast here, because all mfg do this. Often with much less time coverage - as Honda and Volvo (who had a little over 2 years of coverage for oil consumption claims on later models to a few months coverage for early production) have done recently. But anyone who believes GM is faultless or a paradigm of after-sale behavior clearly hasn't been paying attention. But GM eventually gets it right, mostly. Like figuring out their proprietary transmission fluid is a hydroscopic mess. Once they changed factory fill to Mobil Blue, then Black - and changed out customers who sought remedy - the problems ceased. But whatever damage was done previously or if the customer never showed up, well sucks for them. |
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Quoted: Just here to say my 2021 5.7 has given me zero issues in all of its 23,000 mikes if ownership.  Ok big talker, check back with us when you’re at ~185k miles and the weep hole on your water pump starts dripping coolant signaling wear. It won’t leave you stranded but you’ll have to throw down $200 in parts and 1.5 hrs of labor to fix it before you get to 200k. I couldn’t drive a truck knowing that I’d be out that kinda money in the first 15 years of ownership /s |
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Quoted: I should have put a smiley face on my post. I'm good. Shit happens. Nothing's perfect. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Or until the cam towers start leaking or the valley plate seal fails   Cam tower seals (and the plate, maybe?) were, according to a former tower assembler, a result of employees doing the assembly and failing to clean the sealing surfaces with alcohol prior to applying the sealant. There's been a number of process changes in response, so it's likely varied reasons. This is not the first valley plate design that has an incidence of failure tho. The 3MZ-FE, but in the States at least doesn't seem to have the propensity seen with the URs. @trails-end I'm sorry if I created anxiety. As an owner of a passel of various URs, including 5.7s, many well past. 200k, the reality is, it's likely coming. Tho later prod seems to lower incidence. But I hope you avoid any issues, live a long happy life and die with the truck fully operational. I should have put a smiley face on my post. I'm good. Shit happens. Nothing's perfect. I figured but the apology was earnest.  |
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Quoted: This. Every time an organization has attempted to quantify vehicle reliability, the data has put Toyota and Lexus at or near the top. This is true whether you're looking at vehicles only a few years old or studies of beaters going through auctions. Quoted: Quoted: None of which changes the fact that across wide quality surveys, with differing methodologies and time period slices, Toyota is the acknowledged quality leader. Other mfg internally benchmark and adopt TMS processes. Toyota is perennially named #1 in Forbes most admired Mfg and has been in the top 50 world companies for the last 25 years, appearing above all other mfgs. This is a survey of roughly 4,000 Executives, Directors , etc what companies they admired most. So Toyota was never perfect, and will never have zero defects. But they engineer well, deliver at accountable remedy when they fail and overall lead product QRD. This. Every time an organization has attempted to quantify vehicle reliability, the data has put Toyota and Lexus at or near the top. This is true whether you're looking at vehicles only a few years old or studies of beaters going through auctions. I never see you at church but I'm normally in the front pew. |
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Quoted: Just rolled a new turbo, manifold, and intercooler setup into my old 05' Cummins. I'm super excited to see what the fuel mileage numbers are found to be on my next trip. So far the numbers look super promising. Looks like I've dropped EGT about 200 to 250° on the 95mph sport tune wide open throttle run. Used to be high EGT city. Before I could blast through 1400 without even trying, and hit alarms in 5th and 6th gear. It topped out at 1220 max recorded this last round.... Fucking A!!!!!!!!. I'll probably hook it up and take it for a climb tonight just to see what it does. I wish I had kept the Ram just for pulling and hauling. My dad put a ball in the bed for pulling our gooseneck stock trailer, but we're definitely limited on the load. |
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Quoted: Not right now, they’re not. Quoted: Not right now, they’re not. I don't know about that. The Ford, GM, and Chrysler passenger vehicles with unibody platforms and transverse engines have almost been universally terrible. We're talking generations of failure from the early 80s to today. They launched vehicles, those vehicles developed terrible reputations, the companies scrapped the name and introduced new vehicles, and the cycle repeats itself. Chevette, Cavalier, Cobalt, Cruze, etc. Meanwhile, models like Camry, Corolla, Accord, and Civic have been here the whole time and enjoy a great reputation. I don't know that any of the Big 3 have ever made a legitimately good 4 cylinder engine. Ford got some decent stuff from their Mazda partnership, but outside of that? Eh... The best American made passenger cars are widely regarded to be the GM 3800s. Those cars had major electrical issues, the cooling systems weren't good, the plastic upper intake manifolds are a constant failure point, and the transmissions were average at best. And those are the best we could do. It's only downhill from there. The RWD based, longitudinal engine stuff is better, but there are still problems galore. With Ford trucks, you need an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of which engines and transmission combos are good in which years. Yes, it's really that bad. With Ram trucks, they basically never made a good automatic transmission in house, outsourcing transmissions to ZF is the best thing that ever happened to them, and the Hemi lifter tick thing seems to be a transient issue. And then there's GM... Quoted: Funny how people here mock JD Power when an American made vehicle places well on that list. The 350 Chevy and LS engines might want a word with your Toyotas. The late SBC 350 and early LS engines were great... but they were mostly paired with 4L60 transmissions that are best regarded as a wear item. In 2007, AFM showed up, and the GM half ton V8s have been garbage ever since. 17 years later, and GM still hasn't figured out how to make cylinder deactivation work. And there are still issues with the rest of the trucks like the disastrous 8L45 and 8L90 transmissions. Yes, Toyota is having major problems with their new truck product launches here in 2024, but it's not like those problems have been here long, and those problems aren't present on the rest of the Toyota/Lexus product portfolio. |
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So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with AFM, they could have ruled the world. If you want a Truck with a tiny turbo 4 cyl, GM will sell you one cheap, which will outlast your $80,000 Tundra. |
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Quoted: They have not been since 2010. Pretty sad really. Quoted: Quoted: Toyota never was what their fan boys made them out to be. They have not been since 2010. Pretty sad really.  Toyota products built in the 2010s were often ugly, but generally very solid. Toyota has also done a great job of avoiding CVTs, and I don't think they made many vehicles that had direct injection without also having port injection. |
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Quoted: I don't know about that. The Ford, GM, and Chrysler passenger vehicles with unibody platforms and transverse engines have almost been universally terrible. We're talking generations of failure from the early 80s to today. They launched vehicles, those vehicles developed terrible reputations, the companies scrapped the name and introduced new vehicles, and the cycle repeats itself. Chevette, Cavalier, Cobalt, Cruze, etc. Meanwhile, models like Camry, Corolla, Accord, and Civic have been here the whole time and enjoy a great reputation. I don't know that any of the Big 3 have ever made a legitimately good 4 cylinder engine. Ford got some decent stuff from their Mazda partnership, but outside of that? Eh... The best American made passenger cars are widely regarded to be the GM 3800s. Those cars had major electrical issues, the cooling systems weren't good, the plastic upper intake manifolds are a constant failure point, and the transmissions were average at best. And those are the best we could do. It's only downhill from there. The RWD based, longitudinal engine stuff is better, but there are still problems galore. With Ford trucks, you need an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of which engines and transmission combos are good in which years. Yes, it's really that bad. With Ram trucks, they basically never made a good automatic transmission in house, outsourcing transmissions to ZF is the best thing that ever happened to them, and the Hemi lifter tick thing seems to be a transient issue. And then there's GM... The late SBC 350 and early LS engines were great... but they were mostly paired with 4L60 transmissions that are best regarded as a wear item. In 2007, AFM showed up, and the GM half ton V8s have been garbage ever since. 17 years later, and GM still hasn't figured out how to make cylinder deactivation work. And there are still issues with the rest of the trucks like the disastrous 8L45 and 8L90 transmissions. Yes, Toyota is having major problems with their new truck product launches here in 2024, but it's not like those problems have been here long, and those problems aren't present on the rest of the Toyota/Lexus product portfolio. Quoted: Quoted: Not right now, they're not. I don't know about that. The Ford, GM, and Chrysler passenger vehicles with unibody platforms and transverse engines have almost been universally terrible. We're talking generations of failure from the early 80s to today. They launched vehicles, those vehicles developed terrible reputations, the companies scrapped the name and introduced new vehicles, and the cycle repeats itself. Chevette, Cavalier, Cobalt, Cruze, etc. Meanwhile, models like Camry, Corolla, Accord, and Civic have been here the whole time and enjoy a great reputation. I don't know that any of the Big 3 have ever made a legitimately good 4 cylinder engine. Ford got some decent stuff from their Mazda partnership, but outside of that? Eh... The best American made passenger cars are widely regarded to be the GM 3800s. Those cars had major electrical issues, the cooling systems weren't good, the plastic upper intake manifolds are a constant failure point, and the transmissions were average at best. And those are the best we could do. It's only downhill from there. The RWD based, longitudinal engine stuff is better, but there are still problems galore. With Ford trucks, you need an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of which engines and transmission combos are good in which years. Yes, it's really that bad. With Ram trucks, they basically never made a good automatic transmission in house, outsourcing transmissions to ZF is the best thing that ever happened to them, and the Hemi lifter tick thing seems to be a transient issue. And then there's GM... Quoted: Funny how people here mock JD Power when an American made vehicle places well on that list. The 350 Chevy and LS engines might want a word with your Toyotas. The late SBC 350 and early LS engines were great... but they were mostly paired with 4L60 transmissions that are best regarded as a wear item. In 2007, AFM showed up, and the GM half ton V8s have been garbage ever since. 17 years later, and GM still hasn't figured out how to make cylinder deactivation work. And there are still issues with the rest of the trucks like the disastrous 8L45 and 8L90 transmissions. Yes, Toyota is having major problems with their new truck product launches here in 2024, but it's not like those problems have been here long, and those problems aren't present on the rest of the Toyota/Lexus product portfolio. Attached File |
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Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all.  We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). |
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Quoted: My nieces fiancé has a 2024 Tundra and she said the best she can do is 18 MPG. I was getting 17 with my 2019 Tundra with the 5.7L engine. So all I this bullshit design changes for 1 MPG I am a Toyota man but they missed the boat on this one. They squeezed out the extra MPG by not including tow hooks. |
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I own a 22 tundra, kind of happy that toyota is stepping up and replacing the engine last truck that I still have was a 08 3500 ram diesel , I don't think they made a single transmission for that , that made it past 50g miles, and the 100g drive train warranty dropped out the trans at 36g luckily I put an aftermarket in it and it has made it to 204 g without a hitch so good on them that they are taking care of the problem |
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Quoted: We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). You forgot the ford fuckedus trans DCT issue and the turbo 4 banger ecoblow head gasket issue. That is QUALITY engineering. |
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Quoted: https://i.ibb.co/56BGwWK/IMG-6738.webp I own (1) Toyota and (1) Lexus… ‘04 Tacoma @ 450k ‘06 LX470 @ 300k Both still run great and have the original engine and transmission. Neither have ever needed anything beyond preventative maintenance and replacement of wear items. The current Toyota issues are a product of government regulation more than anything else. Toyota’s last two production v8 engines for full-size vehicles (4.7 2UZ and 5.7 3UR) are arguably the two best V8 engines ever produced in terms of reliability and longevity. Thank government regulation for forcing Toyota to replace them with high stress turbo engines. You cannot defeat the laws of physics. Buick and Chevrolet are number 3 and 4 on that list. 
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Quoted: Ok big talker, check back with us when you're at ~185k miles and the weep hole on your water pump starts dripping coolant signaling wear. It won't leave you stranded but you'll have to throw down $200 in parts and 1.5 hrs of labor to fix it before you get to 200k. I couldn't drive a truck knowing that I'd be out that kinda money in the first 15 years of ownership /s  Hell my 94 Toyota and Tahoe needed a water pump around that time frame. Damn Tahoe needed a second water pump at 21 yrs and 321k miles. Luckily my 16yr old needed a lesson on water pump replacement.  |
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Quoted: We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven't been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole 'nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn't gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). The NHSTA investigation on the 2.7 and 3.0 is wrapping up engineering analysis. It will almost certainly result in a recall. As the formal, fully pursued process on the 1.0 Ecotec did. Where Ford pulled the trigger on recall only when the private litigation underway was seen to hold more financial danger. But they bought a few years. https://seekingalpha.com/pr/19482430-us-expands-probe-ford-engine-failures-to-include-two-motors-and-nearly-709000-vehicles?feed_item_type=news&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=msn.com BillofRights puts forth a remarkable narrative, given that Ford has 4 major drivetrain investigations ongoing currently. Plus BlueCruise. Toyota has its own problems but they have not availed themselves to over 3 years of process and stonewalling, immediately voluntarily recalled and have a plan moving forward to remedy. Attached File Meanwhile Ford will replace your 2.3L, as long as you were aware and responded within the determined period. Which is why mfg avoid recalls. The clock is running, you had a year. Attached File Attached File |
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Quoted: Now you did it. Should have bragged on BMW quality to really get them flustered. Quoted: Quoted: Toyota never was what their fan boys made them out to be. Now you did it. Should have bragged on BMW quality to really get them flustered. My lifetime of FJ40's all laugh at you in unison. All the ones around the world in every 3rd world shithole join in. The FJ series alone destroyed Land Rover as a viable company world wide. [yeah they are still around but with MASSIVE financial assistance over and over and over again.] |
| Based on Toyota's history, I expect the V35A to become known as a good engine. Toyota replacing the entire engine is a pretty significant step. The 3UR it replaced was a bit of an outlier for Toyota as it was just about perfect at launch. The 2UZ had the benefit of the platform being in use for over a decade in Lexus vehicles before coming into the trucks. Toyota v6s always seem to have some teething issues. Engines like the 5VZ and 1GR are now known to be long lasting and dependable. Fortunately people forgot the first couple years of both engines had significant head gasket issues; Toyota resolved the problem and took care of owners. I'm still driving one of the "problem" 5VZs (in a 1996 T100). That truck had two sets of head gaskets put in before the 60k warranty was up; the first set was very early and before a fix was implemented, second set have been in there since 1999 and have 215k on them with no problems. |
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Quoted: We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). And to top it all off, they took a reliable 5.0 and screwed that one up too. |
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Quoted: We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). Cam phasers Fuck! My wife's 17 F150 was the first vehicle on which I ever purchased extended warranty and thank God I did. Over 5k in repairs in 117k miles. Between multiple cam phaser replacements to broken valve covers etc. Loved that truck but Fuck that reliability. Traded it before the 120k extended warranty ended. |
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Quoted: My 23' tundra that I'm pretty sure is part of this recall has almost 30k miles.... Love this truck. Only thing wrong with it is the center consul is stupid, and the narrow bed is a really fucking dumb idea. I wish the parking break didn't freak out every time you open the door when in gear, but I'm pretty sure every manufacturer has to do that now because of regulation. Make sure you don't have a modern vehicle if you need to getaway vehicle..... In the right sunlight, the hood lines can reflect glint directly back into your eyes. That part is very annoying Some days. Other than that, this truck is extremely awesome. The media center is epic. The microphones are amazing. I can do meetings from the vehicle and the audio is perfect. Most of the time people don't even know I'm driving. And what a fun experience to drive. The engine is so much better in every way than my old 57. I love old-school V8 reliability, but we have to be honest here, this newer arrangement is just better. More torque, more efficient, and just a better experience. Before everybody gets all pissy with me, my favorite vehicle still to drive is my 5VZ powered 4Runner.... Piss I drove a Toyota 57 the other day. I used to think that thing was a rocket. That thing is slow as shit compared to the Twin turbo. Great and amazing engine, but we got a call it for what it is. Super reliable and works well. But it only wishes it could make the torque with the twin turbo does. The best thing about the new tundra is how quiet it is in the cab. Bet most you guys didn't know it's almost Rolls-Royce quiet on the inside. It got tested at 62 dB or something like that. It's not a perfect truck as nothing is perfect. But it is pretty damn awesome. And I certainly wouldn't want to go backwards to a 5.7...... Unless it was in a Land Cruiser There's been "officially" (whatever that means) 824 twin turbo engines go down so far. Out of 102k vehicles.... Less than 1% failure..... meanwhile MDS has been blowing up scores and scores of other truck engines for a good long damn time, well decades actually and no one gives a fuck about that problem. I personally know eight guys that have lost Chevy and ram engines because of MDS. The local Yoda shop has yet to see one TT go down. This entire issue with the new Toyota engine is completely overblown in my opinion. The only reason this is even newsworthy is because the car maker that normally bats 1000 most the time had a stumble and everybody acts like it's the end of the world. Meanwhile, everybody else has a blown up MDS GM or Ram product, or the weekly ford recall.....but that's different....lol. I have owned them all by the way. I'm not one of those guys that sits there and dies on the brand. I like things that are good to go, and work well. That's it. This is a wonderful example of the Toyo coolaid in action. With Any other company, a man would be infuriated if he was sold a truck with a defective engine. But with Toyota, it inspires an impassioned defense. This is something I noticed ten years ago, and the reason I bought Toyota stock. (Which did well for me, until Today ) As an investor, unswerving Loyalty is something which is really intriguing. You can see it yourself in action at the nearest Toyo dealership. They put their customers through hell, but they keep coming back for more. |
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Quoted: Ok big talker, check back with us when you’re at ~185k miles and the weep hole on your water pump starts dripping coolant signaling wear. It won’t leave you stranded but you’ll have to throw down $200 in parts and 1.5 hrs of labor to fix it before you get to 200k. I couldn’t drive a truck knowing that I’d be out that kinda money in the first 15 years of ownership /s Quoted: Quoted: Just here to say my 2021 5.7 has given me zero issues in all of its 23,000 mikes if ownership. Ok big talker, check back with us when you’re at ~185k miles and the weep hole on your water pump starts dripping coolant signaling wear. It won’t leave you stranded but you’ll have to throw down $200 in parts and 1.5 hrs of labor to fix it before you get to 200k. I couldn’t drive a truck knowing that I’d be out that kinda money in the first 15 years of ownership /s The humanity!!!! 
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Quoted: …and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. …and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? |
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Quoted: Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. …and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. |
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Quoted: My nieces fiancé has a 2024 Tundra and she said the best she can do is 18 MPG. I was getting 17 with my 2019 Tundra with the 5.7L engine. So all I this bullshit design changes for 1 MPG I am a Toyota man but they missed the boat on this one. Better than my 2024 Tundra. I’m at 15.3 avg on 34s and barely got above that on the OE 33s |
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Quoted: The NHSTA investigation on the 2.7 and 3.0 is wrapping up engineering analysis. It will almost certainly result in a recall. As the formal, fully pursued process on the 1.0 Ecotec did. Where Ford pulled the trigger on recall only when the private litigation underway was seen to hold more financial danger. But they bought a few years. https://seekingalpha.com/pr/19482430-us-expands-probe-ford-engine-failures-to-include-two-motors-and-nearly-709000-vehicles?feed_item_type=news&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=msn.com BillofRights puts forth a remarkable narrative, given that Ford has 4 major drivetrain investigations ongoing currently. Plus BlueCruise. Toyota has its own problems but they have not availed themselves to over 3 years of process and stonewalling, immediately voluntarily recalled and have a plan moving forward to remedy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2461_jpeg-3277419.JPG Meanwhile Ford will replace your 2.3L, as long as you were aware and responded within the determined period. Which is why mfg avoid recalls. The clock is running, you had a year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2458_jpeg-3277412.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2460_jpeg-3277415.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven't been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole 'nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn't gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). The NHSTA investigation on the 2.7 and 3.0 is wrapping up engineering analysis. It will almost certainly result in a recall. As the formal, fully pursued process on the 1.0 Ecotec did. Where Ford pulled the trigger on recall only when the private litigation underway was seen to hold more financial danger. But they bought a few years. https://seekingalpha.com/pr/19482430-us-expands-probe-ford-engine-failures-to-include-two-motors-and-nearly-709000-vehicles?feed_item_type=news&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=msn.com BillofRights puts forth a remarkable narrative, given that Ford has 4 major drivetrain investigations ongoing currently. Plus BlueCruise. Toyota has its own problems but they have not availed themselves to over 3 years of process and stonewalling, immediately voluntarily recalled and have a plan moving forward to remedy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2461_jpeg-3277419.JPG Meanwhile Ford will replace your 2.3L, as long as you were aware and responded within the determined period. Which is why mfg avoid recalls. The clock is running, you had a year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2458_jpeg-3277412.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2460_jpeg-3277415.JPG I wasn’t defending Ford. I was explaining the Irony of the last ten years, which saw innumerable threads where legions of ToyoTruck fan bois mocked and derided the Turbocharger, only to have Toyota finally cave in and force this abortion of a reverse engineered 3.5EB upon the unwilling masses. I wish it never happened, or, I wish they would at least offer the V-8 as an option. |
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Quoted: Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. …and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. Thanks, not the Transit Vans? |
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Quoted: Thanks, not the Transit Vans? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. …and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. Thanks, not the Transit Vans? Unfortunately yes they do, the AWD ones also have the damned transfer box issue. Those were taking a shit in all our AWD transits at work. |
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Quoted: Unfortunately yes they do, the AWD ones also have the damned transfer box issue. Those were taking a shit in all our AWD transits at work. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. …and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. Thanks, not the Transit Vans? Unfortunately yes they do, the AWD ones also have the damned transfer box issue. Those were taking a shit in all our AWD transits at work. Thanks, appreciate the feedback. I’ve been jonesing to buy an AWD for years, but didn’t because Covid happened, and they’ve been really hard to get ever since. It’s not a need, but a want, and I’ll be better off putting that 75k into something else anyway. |
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Quoted: Unfortunately yes they do, the AWD ones also have the damned transfer box issue. Those were taking a shit in all our AWD transits at work. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. …and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. Thanks, not the Transit Vans? Unfortunately yes they do, the AWD ones also have the damned transfer box issue. Those were taking a shit in all our AWD transits at work. The Transits should be longitudinal, no? |
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Quoted: Or, we’ve all bought expensive and problematic shitboxes from domestic manufacturers and when we hit upon Toyota, our lives became less shitty? Quoted: Quoted: FPNI. Toyota fanboys are delusional. And I say this as a Toyota owner. Or, we’ve all bought expensive and problematic shitboxes from domestic manufacturers and when we hit upon Toyota, our lives became less shitty? I get that, but these threads are always filled with comments from posters who have been single brand drivers forever. They have no current ownership experiences with other brands, but they're happy to say they all suck based on their experiences from...20? 30? years ago. It's also frustrating when you own a Toyota that actually winds up being less reliable than the domestic branded vehicles you also own, which has been my experience. Not so frustrating that I don't also enjoy posting stuff like this, though. Attached File Attached File |
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Quoted: Thanks, appreciate the feedback. I’ve been jonesing to buy an AWD for years, but didn’t because Covid happened, and they’ve been really hard to get ever since. It’s not a need, but a want, and I’ll be better off putting that 75k into something else anyway. If your plan is to build a camper van that trend appears to be peaking and the number of units on the used market is rising. Hell even on my YouTube feed I see recommended videos right and left from Vanlife people saying they "bought off-grid land!" This appears to be the largest marketplace: https://vanlifetrader.com/explore/ |
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Quoted: The Transits should be longitudinal, no? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven’t been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole ‘nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn’t gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. …and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. Thanks, not the Transit Vans? Unfortunately yes they do, the AWD ones also have the damned transfer box issue. Those were taking a shit in all our AWD transits at work. The Transits should be longitudinal, no? Yes, we had all sorts of issues with them, especially with the AWD ones. And their traction control, gawd, what a mess that was. When I retired I had 75K or so on mine and the engine rattled like one with 250K on it. And I regularly ran well over 200K on my 3500 GMC's with no issues. I think my last one is still around with close to 300 K on it. I had 13000 plus hours of run time on my last 3500 before we started getting the Fords. |
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Quoted: We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). |
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