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For now, I'm going to have to trust in the man that I (and we) voted for. Going to have to trust that there is much more going on with this, and the plan, than we know and understand. fingerscrossed.gif A.W.D. View Quote There was absolutely no reason to hold this meeting and certainly no reason to allow the media to view it. The gun control narrative was already dying and we were back to MUH RUSSIA which is much better for our side. But no, DJT had to stroke his ego and have a circlejerk with gun grabbers. |
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How is this even fucking possible??
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That's good...I sure hope you are correct...you make some good points. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Trump is making people join / give money to the NRA. He is ending the division within the NRA making members focus on him to unite against him much like a military commander forms a cohesive unit by making everybody hate him, this after a meeting with the NRA, that he praises in one breath and then calls them a paper tiger in the next. Trump is exposing the rabid left gun control crowd, insisting he wants one great big gun control bill, while at the same time insisting that concealed carry reciprocity is not in it and neither are bump stocks, other than that one big comprehensive bill. The 'he's literally hitler' crowd is working with him instead of resisting, on national television, smiling with him, buddy buddy like. This will piss off all the #resist idiots. He is having a bill composed that will never get out of committee, making sure it isn't done by piecemeal where some things might pass. He must be doing this on purpose, others like Pence and Ryan must be in on it along with the NRA who is being quiet letting him do it without opposition. I now think he is playing Trump politics, and the dems will not be able to recover by Nov. or we are deeply fucked The meetings, private & this, Ryan's comments yesterday, the CPAC statements, the SOTU address. |
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Every person who has or had time to post a comment here, please take the time to write or email your representatives. Please visit pcsutton's thread to get started if you need help. View Quote Didn’t use the canned letter and told my reps to either rein him in (if he’s serious) or tell him to stop using the constitution as a theatrical prop |
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I was and still am a supporter of Rand Paul. This wouldn't be happening if he was elected.
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To quote Marco Rubio, "It's getting harder everyday." There was absolutely no reason to hold this meeting and certainly no reason to allow the media to view it. The gun control narrative was already dying and we were back to MUH RUSSIA which is much better for our side. But no, DJT had to stroke his ego and have a circlejerk with gun grabbers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For now, I'm going to have to trust in the man that I (and we) voted for. Going to have to trust that there is much more going on with this, and the plan, than we know and understand. fingerscrossed.gif A.W.D. There was absolutely no reason to hold this meeting and certainly no reason to allow the media to view it. The gun control narrative was already dying and we were back to MUH RUSSIA which is much better for our side. But no, DJT had to stroke his ego and have a circlejerk with gun grabbers. It’s a staggering move, I’ll admit I’m flabbergasted by it. I was never a particularly ardent trump supporter but I accepted him for being not Hillary. Now I think Hillary would have at least galvanized the Republicans so fiercely against the democrats that nothing would have happened with regards to gun control. Maybe the democrats wanted trump to win all along. |
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Quoted: Early days yet. This isn't played out by a long shot. I see where you are coming from but if you stand back and look what happened in that room, he surrounded himself with the nay-sayers, let them present their agenda and then told them to stick it in a bill. Half the time he was looked bored and seemed to be pretending to listen, like he was just eating for them to STFU so he could set out the rules. Watch again and switch off the sound - watch the body language and look for the pattern of movement. Look at the way he dismisses Feinstein physically and cold shoulders here. he as a diminutive twit who is normally considered the powerhouse of anti-gun politicians and she looked pathetic, frail and positively fawning over him. Really bizarre dynamic. He then set out the ground rules for what was to be achieved, where the focus was to lie what the objectives were, quite specifically. Sure they can throw all their mad stuff in the ring.....as he often says "lets get it all out in the open/on the table and discuss it". Nothing wrong with that. He's set out his stall, set out the rules and commanded the room. He even had Feinstein rubbing her legs together with glee at the prospect of gushing forth with her insipid madness. View Quote |
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I'm not convinced that he is better than Hillary on guns. Trump wants police to have the power to take your guns first and worry about due process later. Is that not at least what we feared from Hillary? View Quote |
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Quoted: Trump's virtue, if you wish to see it as that, was that he's better than Hillary Clinton. He is that in a number of ways. He's better than she is on gun control...but it still appears we are going to get fucked on this. Not as hard as if Hildog was in charge, but fucked. Guns, immigration, and the USSC were the big arguments for supporting Trump. He's fucking us on one of the big three by all appearances. Because they will be back for more the next time. We know this. He knows this. This doesn't get forgiven. Of course, he's not fucking us alone. A significant chunk of the Republican party is fucking us along with him. But that was to be expected. He hasn't gone batshit. He's not giving up the farm. But he's letting the camel's nose under the tent. Mid-terms and 2020 are hard to be enthusiastic about if our choices are having it shoved in our ass hard and fast all at once or having our anus stretched slowly. View Quote |
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Seen the video of Trump at the table and talking to that cunt feinstein. I hope that dipshit is playing chess and not fucking us. View Quote I think if he was serious he would not have had the biggest gun grabbing marxist sitting right next to him for all the cameras to see, he would have had Pence next to him or Ryan, or a gun grabbing LEO. |
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Quoted: Fuck it, I fo’ed (fent?) Didn’t use the canned letter and told my reps to either rein him in (if he’s serious) or tell him to stop using the constitution as a theatrical prop View Quote |
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So what other Constitutional rights can be taken from you without due process?
The 1st? The 4th? |
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Once again, Trump establishing like he did so many times in the primary that he doesn't understand or doesn't care about the principles of the US Constitution.
He's a "My solutions are best solutions" type of guy. It was plainly obvious. |
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I feel betrayed people can claim what they want about how trump is playing them but even if that is true and I believed it. this shit is too dangerous. I could see every day democrat vote for it, then enough RINOs vote fot it to get it passed and on his desk. and I think the mother fucker would sign it just to make a deal. he is all about deals as we know shit talking the NRA.. have control of all of the government and still have this shit View Quote And has denied them their whining |
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To quote Marco Rubio, "It's getting harder everyday." There was absolutely no reason to hold this meeting and certainly no reason to allow the media to view it. The gun control narrative was already dying and we were back to MUH RUSSIA which is much better for our side. But no, DJT had to stroke his ego and have a circlejerk with gun grabbers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For now, I'm going to have to trust in the man that I (and we) voted for. Going to have to trust that there is much more going on with this, and the plan, than we know and understand. fingerscrossed.gif A.W.D. There was absolutely no reason to hold this meeting and certainly no reason to allow the media to view it. The gun control narrative was already dying and we were back to MUH RUSSIA which is much better for our side. But no, DJT had to stroke his ego and have a circlejerk with gun grabbers. At the same time I wouldn't say this was dying. I am aware of the CNN statement about GC dying but the reality is that was to further their base. Many have gotten complacent on the 2A side & we needed a shot in the arm. Look at the FL hearing where there were only 3, count 'em 3, 2A supporters vs over 100 anti-gunners. We have many states trying this stuff & the response from gun owners has been somewhat lacking. We need to get moving and fast to counter this crap. |
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They have sold AR-15s at every store I have ever been to in a free state View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wal-Mart doesn't sell ar15s Did they used to sell them? Yes. Not anymore. Not at my local 2 Walmarts, at least. |
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Oh for fuck sakes....
Either get something going or shut the hell up about bans/control/whatever, already DJT. I'm sick of this looming 'what if this, what if that' of uncertainty. |
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Quoted: Incorrect. Gun rights are not negotiable. You should not even debate gun control. Do not even give it the time of day. View Quote Are you smart enuf to win at politics? Perhaps guys like you and me have been doing it our way and that's one reason why public sentiment favors snowflakes? Perhaps Trump has a plan we would never conceive? Perhaps if we did conceive his plan we certainly would not be willing to execute? Not trying to start something, just sayin' maybe he's trying something we haven't thought to try ... |
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Fuck that, doesn't work. Our "representatives" feed us lies for the sake of appeasement. We are nothing more than pawns to them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Every person who has or had time to post a comment here, please take the time to write or email your representatives. Please visit pcsutton's thread to get started if you need help. Our "representatives" feed us lies for the sake of appeasement. We are nothing more than pawns to them. |
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After thinking about it, that press conference was so damn wild, I'm back on the fence. There's no way he would roll that hard on his constituency.
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I am watching youtube videos right now (not related to this).
The "breaking news" tab is all about the Hicks resignation, nothing to do with Trump's sudden about face on the 2A. So if he was hoping that this would bring him positive media attention as a "heroic, unprecedented action" it would appear they are not giving it to him. Oops. |
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Assuming for a second that everything that's been stated is true and they do make this a horrendous anti gun bill with the Feinstien semi auto ban etc, what chance does this have of passing and getting to the President's desk to sign? Are enough RINOs in office to ram this through or will we see it killed off in the house/senate? Still, email, call, and/or write your congressmen, senators, state legislators, and Trump. Some disgusting stuff being discussed https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/2/28/17064120/trump-gun-control-meeting-congress-explained “ Following Sandy Hook, momentum behind an assault weapons ban fell short of 60 votes in the Senate after losing the support of all but one Republican and 15 Democrats. Trump had his own explanations for why: He said members were scared of the gun lobby and the news cycle was distracting, and he repeatedly tried to blame Obama, saying his predecessor wasn’t “proactive” on the issue. “I think it’s time that a president stepped up,” Trump said. “I’m talking Democrat and Republican presidents, they’ve not stepped up.” TRUMP: Do you have support for that, bipartisan support for what you’re saying? TOOMEY: We had 54 votes in 2013. Most of those 54 voters are still in the Senate. TRUMP: And not a lot of presidential backup? TOOMEY: President Obama did support it. TRUMP: But that was your problem. Feinstein also chimed in to say Congress had “tried” to pass gun control in the past. Until now, congressional Republicans have been reluctant to act on guns, candidly saying the urgency will die down and the policy issue will be pushed to the background. Trump, however, doesn’t seem to care where his party has stood on the issue. He wants to “take the responsibility” of passing gun control — and, in his view, prove he can do what earlier presidents couldn’t. “ |
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This reminds me of the Obamacare mess. Hillary was pushing for a socialized health care system during Bill's first term. The GOP sat on their hands and didn't fix any of the glaring problems related to our healthcare and we got Obamacare shoved down our throats. They didn't fix anything and they didn't put up any walls to prevent something like Obamacare.
Today we have a massive mental health problem that's been growing for decades. Go to your nearest large city and look at the homeless population, most have mental health problems as well as addiction issued (many times because of their mental health). And yet the number of beds in psychiatric hospitals shrink or go away all together. What's been done about it? Some talk here and there but that's about it. They do take up some prison beds from time to time. |
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Quoted: @jondelong I may have skimmed over it but what was your email? This vs what was shown on TV. One of them is a lie. Given what was said at CPAC, I'm up in the air. View Quote |
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This is like invasion of the body snatchers. Last month Trump was promising to save the Second Amendment in a SOTU address that had me proud I had voted for such a man. This week he has promised to change codified legal definitions on his own authority without Congress and advocating for eliminating due process to confiscate guns. It's like someone had a seance and had Trump possessed by the ghost of Fidel Castro. View Quote |
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After thinking about it, that press conference was so damn wild, I'm back on the fence. There's no way he would roll that hard on his constituency. We'll definitely know where we stand very soon. View Quote Theres no teeth through all three houses. The bump stuck is an outlier in all of my thinking though. That could very well go. Most of the people in the middle probably didnt know it existed and now that it makes it look like full auto, its "scary". Im just typing to type and my opinion means nothing. |
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How is this even fucking possible?? Republicans own the government! We have Trump in office! And yet we fear gun control??? View Quote |
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Quoted: To quote Marco Rubio, "It's getting harder everyday." There was absolutely no reason to hold this meeting and certainly no reason to allow the media to view it. The gun control narrative was already dying and we were back to MUH RUSSIA which is much better for our side. But no, DJT had to stroke his ego and have a circlejerk with gun grabbers. View Quote and friends in South Florida. Definitely different feel here than the rest of the country. Bad vibes here. |
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Because we've watched him do this over and over and over in the past. He did it just a month ago with DACA and the government shutdown. He played the Dems for fools then, and they're back to get played again today. He is winning, right now, in front of your very eyes. But you deny his works. Have faith brother. This will be remembered as a glorious day! View Quote |
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Anyone think it could be a mind fuck so the stuff he was going to push through anyways like 21 and bumpstocks - his base would then be ok with?
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Based on his recent "rope-a-dope" of the DACA cabal, I don't think it's time to panic. I hope I'm not wrong, but I suspect this entire meeting was strictly for the cameras, and Fineswine et.al. will be sorely disappointed in the end. I have no crystal ball, or inside info, just going by what happened in a similar, recent event. End result: Trump looked reasonable, Presidential, and the DACA bill went nowhere. I hope this is another example of this. We'll see. Needless to say, time to crank out the e-mails, letters, and so forth to every one of your Congresscritters and Senators. View Quote |
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Anyone think it could be a mind fuck so the stuff he was going to push through anyways like 21 and bumpstocks - his base would then be ok with? View Quote He has an angle, and a plan, and he's good at executing. What I don't know is if his plan is mind fk the Ds or the Rs ... but I think it's not accidental. |
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I didn't like it, that's for damn sure. At the same time I wouldn't say this was dying. I am aware of the CNN statement about GC dying but the reality is that was to further their base. Many have gotten complacent on the 2A side & we needed a shot in the arm. Look at the FL hearing where there were only 3, count 'em 3, 2A supporters vs over 100 anti-gunners. We have many states trying this stuff & the response from gun owners has been somewhat lacking. We need to get moving and fast to counter this crap. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For now, I'm going to have to trust in the man that I (and we) voted for. Going to have to trust that there is much more going on with this, and the plan, than we know and understand. fingerscrossed.gif A.W.D. There was absolutely no reason to hold this meeting and certainly no reason to allow the media to view it. The gun control narrative was already dying and we were back to MUH RUSSIA which is much better for our side. But no, DJT had to stroke his ego and have a circlejerk with gun grabbers. At the same time I wouldn't say this was dying. I am aware of the CNN statement about GC dying but the reality is that was to further their base. Many have gotten complacent on the 2A side & we needed a shot in the arm. Look at the FL hearing where there were only 3, count 'em 3, 2A supporters vs over 100 anti-gunners. We have many states trying this stuff & the response from gun owners has been somewhat lacking. We need to get moving and fast to counter this crap. Failed To Load Title Hey @gtfoxy I was one of the three. |
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Maybe he could name it something catchy, you know, like Safe Act or something.
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View Quote PS- I've been an ardent supporter of Trump and have supported him unequivocally. Fuck Trump |
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Oh, I was never an alcoholic. Just tried to set an example for my kids by going 100% sober. They have all left home now. I rarely drank then.. i I won’t drink much now. I really appreciate the concern and offer man. You are a class act. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Don't do it brother, please. IM if you need to |
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This reminds me of the Obamacare mess. Hillary was pushing for a socialized health care system during Bill's first term. The GOP sat on their hands and didn't fix any of the glaring problems related to our healthcare and we got Obamacare shoved down our throats. They didn't fix anything and they didn't put up any walls to prevent something like Obamacare. Today we have a massive mental health problem that's been growing for decades. Go to your nearest large city and look at the homeless population, most have mental health problems as well as addiction issued (many times because of their mental health). And yet the number of beds in psychiatric hospitals shrink or go away all together. What's been done about it? Some talk here and there but that's about it. They do take up some prison beds from time to time. View Quote |
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Actually it wasn’t Feinstein. It was Toomey with Trump encouraging him. Some disgusting stuff being discussed https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/2/28/17064120/trump-gun-control-meeting-congress-explained “ Following Sandy Hook, momentum behind an assault weapons ban fell short of 60 votes in the Senate after losing the support of all but one Republican and 15 Democrats. Trump had his own explanations for why: He said members were scared of the gun lobby and the news cycle was distracting, and he repeatedly tried to blame Obama, saying his predecessor wasn’t “proactive” on the issue. “I think it’s time that a president stepped up,” Trump said. “I’m talking Democrat and Republican presidents, they’ve not stepped up.” TRUMP: Do you have support for that, bipartisan support for what you’re saying? TOOMEY: We had 54 votes in 2013. Most of those 54 voters are still in the Senate. TRUMP: And not a lot of presidential backup? TOOMEY: President Obama did support it. TRUMP: But that was your problem. Feinstein also chimed in to say Congress had “tried” to pass gun control in the past. Until now, congressional Republicans have been reluctant to act on guns, candidly saying the urgency will die down and the policy issue will be pushed to the background. Trump, however, doesn’t seem to care where his party has stood on the issue. He wants to “take the responsibility” of passing gun control — and, in his view, prove he can do what earlier presidents couldn’t. “ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Assuming for a second that everything that's been stated is true and they do make this a horrendous anti gun bill with the Feinstien semi auto ban etc, what chance does this have of passing and getting to the President's desk to sign? Are enough RINOs in office to ram this through or will we see it killed off in the house/senate? Still, email, call, and/or write your congressmen, senators, state legislators, and Trump. Some disgusting stuff being discussed https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/2/28/17064120/trump-gun-control-meeting-congress-explained “ Following Sandy Hook, momentum behind an assault weapons ban fell short of 60 votes in the Senate after losing the support of all but one Republican and 15 Democrats. Trump had his own explanations for why: He said members were scared of the gun lobby and the news cycle was distracting, and he repeatedly tried to blame Obama, saying his predecessor wasn’t “proactive” on the issue. “I think it’s time that a president stepped up,” Trump said. “I’m talking Democrat and Republican presidents, they’ve not stepped up.” TRUMP: Do you have support for that, bipartisan support for what you’re saying? TOOMEY: We had 54 votes in 2013. Most of those 54 voters are still in the Senate. TRUMP: And not a lot of presidential backup? TOOMEY: President Obama did support it. TRUMP: But that was your problem. Feinstein also chimed in to say Congress had “tried” to pass gun control in the past. Until now, congressional Republicans have been reluctant to act on guns, candidly saying the urgency will die down and the policy issue will be pushed to the background. Trump, however, doesn’t seem to care where his party has stood on the issue. He wants to “take the responsibility” of passing gun control — and, in his view, prove he can do what earlier presidents couldn’t. “ |
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So what other Constitutional rights can be taken from you without due process? The 1st? The 4th? View Quote And if bail is denied and you sit in jail for 2 years waiting for your due process, what do you call that bedsides innocent until proven guilty. |
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I was and still am a supporter of Rand Paul. This wouldn't be happening if he was elected. View Quote In fact when I went to vote on election day I had no plans to vote for trump , I was just gonna skip it and vote down ticket. but ended up voting for him anyway figured if hillary won , I would never forgive myself |
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