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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:07:43 AM EST
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This El Chapo money option is a total circle jerk for the masses. Countless millions of people in favor of the wall will eat this up running around talking about it like it's a real option. This will never happen.
Trump will probably even tease it if he has not already. Theater...all of it. Look folks, I don't like it anymore than you do, but there will be no wall or more importantly, no real solution to unchecked immigration. Reagan could not fix it almost 40 years earlier due to "the swimmer" and the Dems (but the hard truth is that both parties don't want to fix it). |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:09:53 AM EST
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That would be Epic.
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:12:30 AM EST
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The law does appear to prevent it from going directly to an actual wall but it sure does appear to allow it to go for anything that reasonably could be stated to be to thwart drug smuggling. Congress is more than willing to appropriate money for that (provided the right companies get a slice of the pie) - because the technology doesn't help but they can tout the vote and convince the rubes that they're "doing something". |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:14:06 AM EST
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There will be no wall. There's also a lot of the border in Texas that requires no wall...there are enough geographical features that would preclude people from crossing. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:18:12 AM EST
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There's no need to use those funds to obtain "technology to enhance border security". Congress is more than willing to appropriate money for that (provided the right companies get a slice of the pie) - because the technology doesn't help but they can tout the vote and convince the rubes that they're "doing something". If he said he wanted $14 billion on technology they would say "NO"......rest assured that is what they would say. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:18:39 AM EST
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There's no need to use those funds to obtain "technology to enhance border security". Congress is more than willing to appropriate money for that (provided the right companies get a slice of the pie) - because the technology doesn't help but they can tout the vote and convince the rubes that they're "doing something". |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:22:12 AM EST
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The way I heard it is that Cruz is sponsoring legislation to make this happen. I don't know the status of the bill. If it hasn't been passed, it seems just another failure of the GOP while they had both houses. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:26:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You must be fucking stupid... |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:26:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What technology will keep invaders, economic illegals and terrorists from entering the USA at the southern border where there is no barrier? Not near as good as a wall but fuck it...…….take what you can get from these congressional assholes. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:27:03 AM EST
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Haven't read the thread.
Am I in before the usual suspects claim all asset forfeiture is wrong? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:27:16 AM EST
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Use it to build the wall and flaunt the fact to all cartels. You’re next motherfuckers! Your money and your lives will be ours!
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:28:05 AM EST
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They don't have the money yet. They want to seize. If they can find it. Which they can't. "The [Drug Enforcement Agency] has estimated that the gross receipts of the Mexican drug trade or somewhere between $19-$29 billion a year," he said. "We don't have to be 100 percent efficient to get the the money we need to completely pay for the wall relatively quickly." Link |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:29:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The need for cheap labor is the second least important reason for opposition to controlling the border. You can't even imagine the most important reason. Why do the Koch Brothers want open borders? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:29:27 AM EST
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Ted Cruz's proposed bill.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LOBkjHPlp1kioJ0GHidt6ghb4yAmv65L/view |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:29:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What technology will keep invaders, economic illegals and terrorists from entering the USA at the southern border where there is no barrier? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:31:43 AM EST
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fpni
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:33:23 AM EST
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What technology will keep invaders, economic illegals and terrorists from entering the USA at the southern border where there is no barrier? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's no need to use those funds to obtain "technology to enhance border security". Congress is more than willing to appropriate money for that (provided the right companies get a slice of the pie) - because the technology doesn't help but they can tout the vote and convince the rubes that they're "doing something". See the words in bold. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:34:27 AM EST
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El Chapo is Mexican slang for "shorty".
Now thats ironic |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:34:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None. See the words in bold. 
Seriously, I don't care if it has a massive effect......even if it is minimal spend it that way rather then letting those funds go into the general fund. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:37:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok mitt. I used to be proud to be LDS. But those clowns have completely gone off the deep end with their globalist BS. F that church |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:39:20 AM EST
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Second, then move Naval/Marine assets to Wake/Midway. Enjoy your new commie overlords, Hawaii.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hawaii judge in 3.2.1 |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:43:29 AM EST
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El Chapo is Mexican slang for "shorty". Now thats ironic |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:44:54 AM EST
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In photos, he looks like he's a bit over 5ft tall. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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El Chapo is Mexican slang for "shorty". Now thats ironic |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:45:54 AM EST
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A Mexican literally paying for the wall with 14 billion? It couldn't get any funnier. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:46:42 AM EST
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LOL. I hope Trump can make this happen.
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:48:21 AM EST
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I'm wondering, does he have money stashed in a bank account somewhere? And how do they go about seizing his homes in Mexico?
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:48:24 AM EST
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If he can pull it off that would be a major coup for Trump. Mexico would pay for the wall
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:48:44 AM EST
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The US is not holding the money. The money is hidden, off the books, and the US will never see any significant amount of it, ever. Trump isn’t going to lock-down the border, ever. Trump hires illegals at his hotels and properties. Trump said what he needed to say about border security to get elected. 
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:49:51 AM EST
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Eminent domain. for the public good. we are allowed to build protective devices separating countries right? Areas along the Rio Grande in Texas which were privately held prior to 1907, don't already have a wall, and aren't a natural barrier due to terrain are fairly small. Most of that acreage is held in large tracts by huge ranches and trusts. Additionally, the fair market value of that land (which is how eminent domain condemnations are valued) is very low due to the scrubland nature of the property. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:52:21 AM EST
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LOL. I hope Trump can make this happen.
Trump redistributes the black ops profits made by the CIA - who funded all this - and voila, the wall is built. What, the CIA isn't involved in drug distribution in America? Hmm. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Clinton+ships+drugs+thru+Mena+AR&t=ffab&ia=web Commonly known and accepted fact. Wake up. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:57:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The need for cheap labor is the second least important reason for opposition to controlling the border. You can't even imagine the most important reason. What is the most important reason...?-? Drugs? Prostitution, human trafficking? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:57:57 AM EST
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Fingers crossed, but not holding my breathe. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:00:39 PM EST
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https://i.imgur.com/K74GFSj.gif Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The US is not holding the money. The money is hidden, off the books, and the US will never see any significant amount of it, ever. Trump isn’t going to lock-down the border, ever. Trump hires illegals at his hotels and properties. Trump said what he needed to say about border security to get elected. Blame Romney. Move the goalposts. Lie, obfuscate, pass the blame. 
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:05:56 PM EST
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Cheap labor is *the* reason Trump Corp wants open-borders... What is the most important reason...?-? Drugs? Prostitution, human trafficking? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:08:22 PM EST
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I like this plan
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:08:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap labor is *the* reason Trump Corp wants open-borders... What is the most important reason...?-? Drugs? Prostitution, human trafficking? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:09:09 PM EST
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There's a structure on the border. It's called a wall. https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.10/article/5bd4347ddda4c8781b8b4603.JPG |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:30:16 PM EST
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Not aircraft and vehicles though...…. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:32:03 PM EST
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Your plan is to use El Chapo's money to buy a bunch of Predator drones and crash them all in a pile and use that as the wall? Sounds pricey. But probably not the dumbest proposal in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Also the CFR definition of "equipment" excludes "real property" - i.e. buildings / real estate / etc. Sounds pricey. But probably not the dumbest proposal in this thread. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:40:46 PM EST
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You really hate Trump, don't you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cheap labor is *the* reason Trump Corp wants open-borders... What is the most important reason...?-? Drugs? Prostitution, human trafficking? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:42:43 PM EST
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You really hate Trump, don't you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cheap labor is *the* reason Trump Corp wants open-borders... What is the most important reason...?-? Drugs? Prostitution, human trafficking? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:46:46 PM EST
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Building the wall will stop some other on-going expenditures. IF done correctly, this would slow down the debt's growth so we could being to address it. but as long as more costs arrive illegally every day, the debt will continue to grow. (Yes, there are many other items contributing to the debt, but this seems like an easy place to start) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want the wall and everything but all that “free money” should go toward our debt. Gotta start paying it down sometime. but as long as more costs arrive illegally every day, the debt will continue to grow. (Yes, there are many other items contributing to the debt, but this seems like an easy place to start) Either way it won’t matter. That money would disappear and we will/ would never know where it went. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:52:15 PM EST
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The US taxpayers fund the justice system that caught and convicted him.
How about distributing his money to the US taxpayers ? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:57:14 PM EST
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Not holding my breathe but would like to see it happen. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 1:03:09 PM EST
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So the walls already built along the entire Mexican border? What's there has been there. There will be no more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a structure on the border. It's called a wall. https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.10/article/5bd4347ddda4c8781b8b4603.JPG You seem confused. Here's a map for you. 
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Posted: 2/13/2019 1:03:54 PM EST
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Trump's not a Saint. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cheap labor is *the* reason Trump Corp wants open-borders... What is the most important reason...?-? Drugs? Prostitution, human trafficking? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 1:04:14 PM EST
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Would be awesome, but D's will "repurpose" those funds for "challenged communities devastated by drugs", after taking their customary 90% cut. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 1:04:54 PM EST
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LOL never going to happen. unfortunately.
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Posted: 2/13/2019 1:10:56 PM EST
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Trump was right after all, "A Mexican will build the wall".
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Posted: 2/13/2019 1:20:50 PM EST
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Eminent domain. for the public good. we are allowed to build protective devices separating countries right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. And no, the AG cannot gift money to another Department, if the activities it funds do not fall within the parameters of the law. It could fund DoJ correctional facilities, but not DHS detention facilities. You cannot use seized money from the DoJ for that purpose. |
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